Little itty bitty mods under $100.

[Plumes.91]

I'm sorry, but I left the scene right around the time the evic (version 1) came onto the market... what is bucking, exactly? is that when your atty sort-of sss-SS-sss-SS-sss-SS-sss? Is that right? When your atty makes that annoying noise, and your vape just isn't as smooth as-saaay, a Provari, 4 instance?

 

[Plumes.91]

just picked this little guy. mini volt 40 watt

LUCKKKKY!! Grrrr!! I want one of these so badly. Maybe 1 of these, a dual 18650 box mod, and 100 Reo Clones will b in my future.
Thats ALL I want, for the rest of my life! That's IT! lol. ONE x2 18650 mod, ONE stealth mod, and ONE THOUSAND Reos/Reo Clones.

 

[Woofer]

I'm sorry, but I left the scene right around the time the evic (version 1) came onto the market... what is bucking, exactly? is that when your atty sort-of sss-SS-sss-SS-sss-SS-sss? Is that right? When your atty makes that annoying noise, and your vape just isn't as smooth as-saaay, a Provari, 4 instance?

Bucking is taking the output voltage below the battery voltage.
The sss SS is typically called rattle snaking, it is a symptom of pulse width modulation (PWM)

 

[DavidOck]

I'm sorry, but I left the scene right around the time the evic (version 1) came onto the market... what is bucking, exactly? is that when your atty sort-of sss-SS-sss-SS-sss-SS-sss? Is that right? When your atty makes that annoying noise, and your vape just isn't as smooth as-saaay, a Provari, 4 instance?

Uhm, maybe? Bucking applies to the regulator's ability to deliver less than the battery voltage. The rattle-snake sound can come from one way of "bucking" to a lower voltage, but other ways provide a smoother voltage and no rattle.

And, darn it, Woofer, beat me to it!

 

[Plumes.91]

ah, then no, i don't think bucking has anything to do with the rattle-snake sound, as far as i can tell. it has to do with the PWM. HOW could I have forgotten this!? haha. I made the argument for mods w/out the rattlesnake sound by explaining this all very frequently back in the day. where's my head!? thank you for the refresher course, both of you! yes, I suppose bucking the voltage below the battery's voltage might create an "unsmooth" vape/sound, but not what I was speaking of! PWM was the culprit! I remember now. David, ya BOTH refreshed my memory in different ways, so, he didn't beat ya to it completely!!

I remember bucking now as-well. ugh, you step away from the scene for a little while and ya come back looking/feeling like a complete n000b! :'(

 

[Woofer]

And, darn it, Woofer, beat me to it!

Yeah but your answer is better.

Also meant to mention that to me PWM is not a nice smooth vape like say a Provari

 

[DavidOck]

Also meant to mention that to me PWM is not a nice smooth vape like say a Provari

But PWM IS better than Mean!!

 

[Woofer]

But PWM IS better than Mean!!

Mean is mean, life is to short for either.

 

[aikanae1]

But PWM IS better than Mean!!

No. RMS is better than mean. Those are different ways of averaging power. IMO sometimes mean is better than RMS but most are familiar with RMS.

pwm is power regulation. dc is what mechanicals provide. SMOK describes their "buck" system as reverting to dc, which isn't saying anything but the power will drop with the battery.

This is my understanding which isn't technical.

provari delivers smooth power, not pwm, due to more expensive regulation. I tend to prefer mechanicals due to dc also being smooth, and I don't mind the battery getting weaker. Innokin also has smooth power regulation. Everyone else uses an average of pwm.

 

[Plumes.91]

which is why i prefer mechs over ANY regulated vape, although, i can DEAL with a good RMS vape. the provari's system is great, as-is whatever the newer mods are using these days. the evic mini and the kanger subox mini both satisfy me to an extent, altho neither are as-smooth as a mech or provari, STILL! (at-least, in my personal & humble opinion)

 

[DPLongo22]

Technically, and I don't mean to come of as a "hole", Provari does PWM too, just more efficiently than some (no longer all) other mods. I believe they run at around 800mhz, if my memory is correct.

Interestingly enough, my absolute smoothest vape comes from a mod running at around 550mhz. I can't figure out why, but it does (and I'm one of many who feel similarly). And I love the way a Provari vapes.

I also get a marvelous vape from the DNA40, but I've no idea of its PWM rate.

I'm not sure why or where the notion started, that a Provi doesn't PWM, but it's been around for as long as I've been vaping, and is a common misperception.

I'm guessing that still came off as "holy", but I truly was just hoping to clarify that often repeated issue. If my understanding is correct, all regulated mods do some form of PWM. I apologize, in advance, if my written word belies my intended tone.

I'm admittedly far from an expert though, and would welcome further or additional education/information from the many who know more about the subject than I do. ☺

 

[aikanae1]

Technically, and I don't mean to come of as a "hole", Provari does PWM too, just more efficiently than some (no longer all) other mods. I believe they run at around 800mhz, if my memory is correct.

Interestingly enough, my absolute smoothest vape comes from a mod running at around 550mhz. I can't figure out why, but it does (and I'm one of many who feel similarly). And I love the way a Provari vapes.

I also get a marvelous vape from the DNA40, but I've no idea of its PWM rate.

I'm not sure why or where the notion started, that a Provi doesn't PWM, but it's been around for as long as I've been vaping, and is a common misperception.

I'm guessing that still came off as "holy", but I truly was just hoping to clarify that often repeated issue. If my understanding is correct, all regulated mods do some form of PWM. I apologize, in advance, if my written word belies my intended tone.

I'm admittedly far from an expert though, and would welcome further or additional education/information from the many who know more about the subject than I do. ☺

It got started when pbsuardo puts it on his machine, the power is a flat line, no ups and downs like pwm does.

 

[aldenf]

I also get a marvelous vape from the DNA40, but I've no idea of its PWM rate.

The DNA boards are all DC-DC. They don't use PWM. That's why people love them.

 

[Plumes.91]

has anyone seen this TNT mod... thingy... yet??
TNT Style 510 Mechanical Mod - Silver + Red, Stainless Steel, 1 x 18650 / 26650 - 3FVape

...i mean... does it GET ANY SMALLER THAN THIS???
EDIT- AH, I was under the impression the red was the battery, and that the whole "MOD" was essentially just a sleeve that you slide over your battery. turns out- that red part IS a tube. hahaha. If a company does come out with a battery "hugger" type mod, like I just described above, boooy, that'll be one tiny little itsy bitsy mod, eh? I'd want one!

 

[aikanae1]

Can they get any uglier?

 

[Plumes.91]

How about this, has anyone seen this one yet? It's called the Igniton.. Get yourself an 18350 or 18500 mod, screw her in, get yourself a tank, screw it down, get yourself a knucklehead drip tip, or tilt-tip drip-tip base, and you've got yourself a pretty-darn compact mod. cool eh?

 

[aikanae1]

It is a good idea and does make a nice compact, easy to carry unit. Very versitile. They've been out for awhile. The originals were pricey for what they were.

$4.24 2-Post Display Stand Holder w/ Drip Tip Adapter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$32.64 Vamo Mukey Double Barrel Variable Voltage/Wattage Mod / APV - 3V-6V / 3W-15W / white chromed brass at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

 

[Plumes.91]

now THOSE are ugly They could-of at-least made the sleeves the same 22mm width of most mechs!? sheesh. I do like the idea. back in the day, i remember people modding their vamos to work side-by-side. I remember thinking it was neat, but there was no mass-produced product to do it yourself. now there IS! and it's only 13 bucks at fasttech! haha. I love the innovation we've seen since i stepped away. & the prices have come down SUBSTANTIALLY. I mean, I'm jobless, but if i had even a min wage job, I could probably own everything on my "master-list" that i've been chasing for the last 7 years, with 2-3 paychecks. Now that's saying something, considering, i used-to feel HOPELESS as-to if I'd ever own everything I'd like to try, haha.

 

[aikanae1]

now THOSE are ugly They could-of at-least made the sleeves the same 22mm width of most mechs!? sheesh. I do like the idea. back in the day, i remember people modding their vamos to work side-by-side. I remember thinking it was neat, but there was no mass-produced product to do it yourself. now there IS! and it's only 13 bucks at fasttech! haha. I love the innovation we've seen since i stepped away. & the prices have come down SUBSTANTIALLY. I mean, I'm jobless, but if i had even a min wage job, I could probably own everything on my "master-list" that i've been chasing for the last 7 years, with 2-3 paychecks. Now that's saying something, considering, i used-to feel HOPELESS as-to if I'd ever own everything I'd like to try, haha.

Well, enjoy it while it lasts. This is the golden age of vaping.

 

[VapingTurtle]

The DNA boards are all DC-DC. They don't use PWM. That's why people love them.

(Just like DPL, I don't wanna be an ......, but [pet peeve here]...)

Here ya go, Alden. Scan this:
DC-to-DC converter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All regulated mods (except some obsolete mods like the ipro and buzzpro, which use inefficient linear regulators for step-down only) use switched-mode dc-to-dc converters. The output signal of a switched-mode converter is a pulse train, i.e., a PWM signal. PWM is a description of an output wave, not a type of regulator.

The pulse train (PWM) output from the regulator may then be smoothed (like on a Provari or a DNA) by filters and buffers so that you see a nice itty-bitty flat output signal, but it is still a switched-mode power converter putting out pulses of current. (Didja see how I got itty-bitty in there somehow?) And they may output a nice high-frequency signal, like Provari's 800Hz, or a choppy low-frequency signal, like the original Lavatube and Vamo's 30Hz pulse.

Mods advertising DC-to-DC output or DC-DC Mode are just spouting marketing gobblety splat. They are all DC-to-DC unless they are plugged into the wall without a wall wart, like your coffee maker or hairdryer.