Little itty bitty mods under $100.

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Five days ago, I ordered a Kanger KBOX 40W from 121vapes for $25.25 shipped, which arrived very quickly, in only three days.

People have been labeling this as an "entry-level" regulated higher-wattage box, but I think it's better described as a "budget mod." Rather than an LCD display with resistance and 0.1 watt incremental power adjustment, the KBOX uses tiny LEDs to indicate battery remaining and seven preset wattage selections: 8, 13, 20, 25, 30, 35, and 40 watts. Since it's a selectable wattage device, it's obviously calculating the resistance of the coil, but it doesn't show that to the user. That's no big deal to me, because I know the resistance of any atty or tank I use.

The KBOX runs on one user-installed 18650 IMR and doesn't provide USB-charging (so no micro-USB jack). Again, I don't care about that, since my preference is for battery-swapping and recharging on dedicated chargers. When turned on (with five clicks of the fire button), two rows of seven LEDs light up to indicate wattage and battery charge remaining. The battery LEDs turn off one by one from the top down to indicate how much charge is left on the 18650.

Far from itty-bitty, the KBOX is almost as tall as my ipv Minis (89mm versus 94mm). It also has a certain heft, although not as heavy as the iPVs. The shape is half rectangular (for the chip and buttons), at 22mm wide. The other half is round (for the battery), with a larger, 25mm diameter. Ergonomically, the KBOX feels very comfortable in my hand. I wrap my fingers around the round side and use my thumb to fire. The firing button isn't clicky, but it's smooth within a nice bevel, has a short throw to fire, and gives positive tactile feedback. I like this button a lot---a whole lot. It always fires and feels great. The 510 connector (with a spring-loaded floating positive pin) is centered at the top of the round section. Kanger designed the KBOX to match perfectly with a full-size Subtank, but it looks fine with 22mm atties and tanks. An 18mm diameter Subtank Nano might look a bit small and mismatched but would work fine.

I love the user-selectable presets on the iPV Minis and was slightly concerned that I might not like the KBOX's fixed presets at 8, 13, and 20 watts. Nope. Those wattages turn out to be nearly perfect for just about all the atties/tanks I use. And the higher four presets (25, 30, 35, and 40 watts) are ideal for sub-ohm tanks and drippers. The lack of an LCD display is more than offset by the ease of use and convenience of how the KBOX is set up. There's no logo to wait for when turning it on, no firing delay to put up with as a display reawakens from sleep, no aggravating puff count (does anyone like that?), and changing wattages is simple and fast using the small button that round-robins through the seven preset wattages. The actual power supplied at each wattage seems accurate to me. Chip efficiency/battery life is what we would expect from a current-generation mod with a single 18650 IMR, such as the 2500 mAh Samsung 25Rs I use---nicely extended at lower wattages, but significantly briefer as the wattage is increased. Swapping out batteries with the screw-on battery cap is quick and painless, however---about 30 seconds from start to finish---so changing batteries once or even twice a day is not an issue for me. Threads on the battery cap were initially crunchy, but a little noalox smoothed them right out.

The KBOX is simple, sleek, and surprisingly pleasing to use. It's performed well with every atty/tank I've tried on it: Atlantis, Subtank Mini, and my favorite big-flavor, deep-well RDA drippers---a Magma with a simple 0.7 ohm rayon-wicked single horizontal coil at 30watts and an Origen v2 with a similar 0.9 ohm build at 25 watts. While two days doesn't constitute a longevity test, the KBOX seems solid and well-built. For 25 bucks, what's not to like? (YMMV, of course.)
 

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I wonder about that too. If, as Phil Busardo suggests, the oscilloscope readings show that the iPV Mini 30W in PWM mode switches over to DC-DC whenever that's more optimal---meaning that it uses PWM only when the user asks the device for a low voltage that DC-DC can't achieve---then why offer menu options for selecting PWM or DC-DC modes? Doesn't make sense.

I go with Phil and you on this one---I keep my iPV Mini 30W in PWM mode all the time. (I also have two iPV Mini 2 70Ws, but the regulating chips in those use only DC-DC and don't even offer PWM.)

It's always seemed to me that using PWM to "simulate" true step-down (buck) in voltage is pretty lame, since the device is still hitting the coil with maximum voltage, just for a very short burst. Strikes me as suspect. If I want to run an atty/clearo that requires lower-than-battery voltage, I'll put it on a regulated mod that can truly supply that lowered voltage, such as an old-style linear regulator in a VV box mod or a Twist/Spinner.

My question as well, Bill, and with or without answer, I chose to leave it on PWM. If it's going to auto change anyway....... duh. :blink: I would like to know why there is the option to set it to DC-DC then. But no matter. It vapes, and it vapes well. A bit heavy for my taste, but so be it.



It's a long & ugly story. Lolz Jim dragged a story from another thread in here. In summary, there was some concern that Ping would be forced to move in with me if he bought one more mod.

Y'know, kicked out by the Missus.


I'm sooo sorry I ever told you about the bloody futon! :lol:




Five days ago, I ordered a Kanger KBOX 40W from 121vapes for $25.25 shipped, which arrived very quickly, in only three days.

People have been labeling this as an "entry-level" regulated higher-wattage box, but I think it's better described as a "budget mod." Rather than an LCD display with resistance and 0.1 watt incremental power adjustment, the KBOX uses tiny LEDs to indicate battery remaining and seven preset wattage selections: 8, 13, 20, 25, 30, 35, and 40 watts. Since it's a selectable wattage device, it's obviously calculating the resistance of the coil, but it doesn't show that to the user. That's no big deal to me, because I know the resistance of any atty or tank I use.

The KBOX runs on one user-installed 18650 IMR and doesn't provide USB-charging (so no micro-USB jack). Again, I don't care about that, since my preference is for battery-swapping and recharging on dedicated chargers. When turned on (with five clicks of the fire button), two rows of seven LEDs light up to indicate wattage and battery charge remaining. The battery LEDs turn off one by one from the top down to indicate how much charge is left on the 18650.

Far from itty-bitty, the KBOX is almost as tall as my iPV Minis (89mm versus 94mm). It also has a certain heft, although not as heavy as the iPVs. The shape is half rectangular (for the chip and buttons), at 22mm wide. The other half is round (for the battery), with a larger, 25mm diameter. Ergonomically, the KBOX feels very comfortable in my hand. I wrap my fingers around the round side and use my thumb to fire. The firing button isn't clicky, but it's smooth within a nice bevel, has a short throw to fire, and gives positive tactile feedback. I like this button a lot---a whole lot. It always fires and feels great. The 510 connector (with a spring-loaded floating positive pin) is centered at the top of the round section. Kanger designed the KBOX to match perfectly with a full-size Subtank, but it looks fine with 22mm atties and tanks. An 18mm diameter Subtank Nano might look a bit small and mismatched but would work fine.

I love the user-selectable presets on the iPV Minis and was slightly concerned that I might not like the KBOX's fixed presets at 8, 13, and 20 watts. Nope. Those wattages turn out to be nearly perfect for just about all the atties/tanks I use. And the higher four presets (25, 30, 35, and 40 watts) are ideal for sub-ohm tanks and drippers. The lack of an LCD display is more than offset by the ease of use and convenience of how the KBOX is set up. There's no logo to wait for when turning it on, no firing delay to put up with as a display reawakens from sleep, no aggravating puff count (does anyone like that?), and changing wattages is simple and fast using the small button that round-robins through the seven preset wattages. The actual power supplied at each wattage seems accurate to me. Chip efficiency/battery life is what we would expect from a current-generation mod with a single 18650 IMR, such as the 2500 mAh Samsung 25Rs I use---nicely extended at lower wattages, but significantly briefer as the wattage is increased. Swapping out batteries with the screw-on battery cap is quick and painless, however---about 30 seconds from start to finish---so changing batteries once or even twice a day is not an issue for me. Threads on the battery cap were initially crunchy, but a little noalox smoothed them right out.

The KBOX is simple, sleek, and surprisingly pleasing to use. It's performed well with every atty/tank I've tried on it: Atlantis, Subtank Mini, and my favorite big-flavor, deep-well RDA drippers---a Magma with a simple 0.7 ohm rayon-wicked single horizontal coil at 30watts and an Origen v2 with a similar 0.9 ohm build at 25 watts. While two days doesn't constitute a longevity test, the KBOX seems solid and well-built. For 25 bucks, what's not to like? (YMMV, of course.)

Great review, Bill. I had zero interest in this one due to the presets, but you've presented it in a whole new light and your review may be very helpful for someone considering this mod. Good job.
 

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Soo... did anyone get the Smowell DPV 50 yet? I saw in Deals and Steals that this device was going on sale at the price of 27.99 with coupon code DPV50 at this site. I am very tempted to pick one up. It's less than $30 for a 50 watt mod! But of course the question is... why is it so cheap and is it worth it? Would rather not waste my money if it's just a piece of crap.

Has anyone ordered from that site before? Every so often I see a deal from them that I'd love to jump on but am afraid... id love this mod, i really like the shape of it
 

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Has anyone ordered from that site before? Every so often I see a deal from them that I'd love to jump on but am afraid... id love this mod, i really like the shape of it

They MIGHT be an up and comer, but time will tell, vjdossey. I've communicated with them, but that's hardly meaningful in terms of ordering, shipping, and CS. If you decide to go with them, please do let us know your experience, yeah? :)
 

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Has anyone ordered from that site [gearbest] before? Every so often I see a deal from them that I'd love to jump on but am afraid... id love this mod, i really like the shape of it

Like emmsma, I pre-ordered a Cloupor Mini from gearbest for $29.99. Took forever, but finally arrived and has been fine for a month now. I recently ordered a second Cloupor Mini for the same price and the Smowell DPV-50 for $28 from them.

Gearbest strikes me as another of those "let's-throw-the-spaghetti-against-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks" Chinese retail sites that operate as deep discounters for consumer techno-toys made in China. If you've already researched what you're buying and made sure that the price is sufficiently reduced to justify the long wait for free shipping, then it's probably on a par with FastTech, but without FT's user reviews/customer discussions forums, which are a mixed blessing anyway.
 

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Great review, Bill. I had zero interest in this one [Kanger KBOX] due to the presets, but you've presented it in a whole new light and your review may be very helpful for someone considering this mod. Good job.

I, too, had previously dismissed the KBOX for the obvious reasons (no display and fixed preset wattages), but the spring-loaded floating pin on the 510, easily swappable 18650 battery, and 121vapes' dirt-cheap price ($25.25 with free shipping) made me roll the dice and take a chance. I was prepared to not like it, but the KBOX started winning me over with the first vape. The ease of operation, solid build quality, and absence of small aggravations are all very pleasant surprises.
 

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New at Angelcigs, the S-body box mod. It’s a bottom feeder VV/VW box mod. $38.65 each, lower than any other advertised price.

The Bottom Feeder is a classic style that never go away. We have a great looking box mod at a reasonable price that you will want.Shipped from the USA

1) Gun color
2) Size 85*55mm
3) OLED screen showing watt,voltage and resistance, power;
4) 510 Atomizer Low resistance as 1.5-3.0ohm ;
5) With bottom bottle equipments,can hold 8ml !
Use code vdnd-5% to get 5% Off

S-body Style Variable Wattage Box Mod Black
 

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I wonder about that too. If, as Phil Busardo suggests, the oscilloscope readings show that the iPV Mini 30W in PWM mode switches over to DC-DC whenever that's more optimal---meaning that it uses PWM only when the user asks the device for a low voltage that DC-DC can't achieve---then why offer menu options for selecting PWM or DC-DC modes? Doesn't make sense.

I go with Phil and you on this one---I keep my iPV Mini 30W in PWM mode all the time.

I've wondered the same thing with my 2 Vamo V5's.

They have a setting to choose either MEAN or RMS.

I leave mine on RMS...and wonder who would ever set it to the ridiculously harsh MEAN :shock:
 

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New at Angelcigs, the S-body box mod. It’s a bottom feeder VV/VW box mod. $38.65 each, lower than any other advertised price.

The Bottom Feeder is a classic style that never go away. We have a great looking box mod at a reasonable price that you will want.Shipped from the USA

1) Gun color
2) Size 85*55mm
3) OLED screen showing watt,voltage and resistance, power;
4) 510 Atomizer Low resistance as 1.5-3.0ohm ;
5) With bottom bottle equipments,can hold 8ml !
Use code vdnd-5% to get 5% Off

S-body Style Variable Wattage Box Mod Black

You people are freaking dangerous.

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New at Angelcigs, the S-body box mod. It’s a bottom feeder VV/VW box mod. $38.65 each, lower than any other advertised price.

The Bottom Feeder is a classic style that never go away. We have a great looking box mod at a reasonable price that you will want.Shipped from the USA

1) Gun color
2) Size 85*55mm
3) OLED screen showing watt,voltage and resistance, power;
4) 510 Atomizer Low resistance as 1.5-3.0ohm ;
5) With bottom bottle equipments,can hold 8ml !
Use code vdnd-5% to get 5% Off

S-body Style Variable Wattage Box Mod Black

I wonder about the topper/atty. Other sources say "use RDA atomizer with air hole, 41*20mm"

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Looks like you're locked into their topper... which is fine if it works well.
 

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I wonder about the topper/atty. Other sources say "use RDA atomizer with air hole, 41*20mm"

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Looks like you're locked into their topper... which is fine if it works well.

Dang you to perdition Kent. Like I needed another device! I just ordered one, will see how it goes. Will actually be my first bottomfeeder (dang that sounds lowrate) :)

Shipping is a little high:
Product Name Price Qty Subtotal
Subtotal $40.69
Discount (vdnd-5%) -$2.03
Shipping & Handling (Directly Ship From USA(1-4 Busines Days) - USPS(With Tracking Number)) $7.50
Grand Total $46.16
S-body Style Variable Wattage Box Mod Black
$40.69 1 $40.69
 

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It may have a bigger / higher mAh battery, so last longer between charges. Or just "future-proofing" in case you ever want to vape at a higher wattage. Or maybe more bells and whistles for entertainment...

Otherwise? Can't think of any otherwise ways.

Or because it's new and shiny! :laugh:
 

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It may have a bigger / higher mAh battery, so last longer between charges. Or just "future-proofing" in case you ever want to vape at a higher wattage. Or maybe more bells and whistles for entertainment...

Otherwise? Can't think of any otherwise ways.

Or because it's new and shiny! :laugh:

It's a disease I tell you! And one I hope they are not working hard on a cure for! ;)
 
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