local B&M blues. your thoughts?

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TheJakeBailey

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I'll try to keep this short. (I said try.) I live in Austin, and we have a nice variety of vape shops in the area. Some are really good, and some I know to stay away from based on the reviews, or from stopping by. I've been having some issues with one of my favorites, and wanted to see what you guys think.

The unnamed shop was one of my firsts when I started vaping. It's a chain store with locations in OK and TX as far as I know. Pretty nice set up, clean store, with a decent selection of liquids. What really attracted me to them was the laid back atmosphere, the friendly and not overbearing staff, and the really good liquids. I've been in almost every weekend for the last three months, and I know most of the staff by name. I've purchased many, many ml's of liquid, and many tanks and other supplies that I could have picked up online for a lot less money, but I believe in suporting local business when I can, and I REALLY believe in suporting local vape when I can and they deserve it.

Now on to the issue. From what I understand, all of the liquid is pre mixed at the home office, and sent to the store weekly. I have other shops I go to if I want something customized, and I have a few flavors from this shop that I REALLY like as is. A couple of weeks ago I stopped in to get a big bottle of one of my favorites. I got it home, loaded it up, and it was NOT the flavor I requested. (called Bumblebee) I went back to the store and had them check it out, and they agreed. Everybody was cool about it. including me. Explanation was that it ws mislabeled and they had just got it in. They apologized, and I got a different bottle of something else. no bigee. Things happen.

Went back last weekend to stock up an a 30ml of Peach Rings, and i asked if they had gotten Bumblebee back in stock, and they said they did. I got another 30ml for me, and picked up a 20ml for a friends birthday cause I thought she would like it. Had a nice chat, and headed home with my new juice. Imagine my surprise when I open it up and IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING AS LAST TIME. HONEYDEW. I've got nothing against honeydew, but it's not what I asked for. Then I smell the other juice, and it smells like absolutely nothing. Load a mini protank, and it tastes like nothing as well.

So back to the store I go today. I was very polite and pulled the manager aside. I explained that the bumblebee was not bumblebee, and was still Honeydew. He said something like "yeah, they mislableld it when they sent it to us." and I said something like "yeah, I know. You told me that two weeks ago when I brought back the last bottle." I gave him the tank of the other flavor to try, and he said it just needs to steep. I wasn't having that. I'm a regular here, I know what the flavor is suppossed to taste like, and this aint it. steeping isn't going to change that. He went to the back for a few minutes and came back with another bottle and a clearomizer, and there it was...Peach Rings. He said, yeah, you're right, that bottle wasn't right.

I THINK I was really cool about it. I made it clear that I wasn't trying to bust him out, but that being said... You have sold me a mislabeled liquid not once, but twice, even after agreeing that it wasn't correct. That's terrible business. Did you think I wouldn't notice the second time? Why not just relabel it honeydew, and order another batch of the correct product? Second, i thanked him for getting me a good bottle of Peach Rings, and I told him I would let the other bottle steep for two weeks. I said if the flavor suddenly became what it was suppossed to be, I would come back and pay him for that 30ml bottle. (I'm in no danger of paying up, and he knows it.) I told him that I would like to bring the other two bottles back to exchange for the correct product when they get it in, and he agreed.

I ALSO told him that I am not the type to fool with coming back to a store to complain. If you burn me, I'm just going to take my lumps, lose the money, and NEVER EVER shop at that store again. However, I really like this guy, and this store, and i want them to be successful, so felt it was worth the time to have a discussion about it. I said that there is a new shop opening every other week around town, and not everybody is going to make it. If you want to be one that does, it's time to tighten up on the quality control, and not feed people a line of crap when they point out something that is clearly not correct. He agreed, and thanked me for coming back in. I thanked him as well, and went on my way.

But to be honest with you, I still feel pretty burned. you sold me the wrong product TWICE. Mistakes happen, but selling it to me AGAIN is pretty crappy. Then to feed me that line about steeping, to only change your mind 30 seconds later kinda pisses me off. Any noob could take one drag and know that somethind was obviously not right with that flavor, regardless of what flavor it was suppossed to be. There are a million vendors to throw my money at, and I choose to drive to your store and give it to you. Don't treat me like an idiot...

Anyway. Rant over. I'll get my exchange, but it might be my last trip. We'll see.

(And for the record, I did not want, nor would I have accepted any freebies, etc. I just wanted what I paid for.)
 

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I don't blame you at all. We, as consumers, have the right to get what we pay for. I don't have the luxury of having a ton of shops near me. I am probably more strict on my guidelines for business practices though. I visited a B&M and made a purchase there. There was another closer to me that I thought I would try. When I was there I was in a rush and bought some clearos for the wife. The shop owner handed me them and asked if I wanted any juice. I vape higher end juice so I asked him what he had. He said he had 3 kinds, and they were all $10.00 for 10 ml. I asked who made them and he wouldn't tell me. He then added he makes some of them in back. Needless to say I won't be going back there. This decision was made before I got home to find out the clearos were BAD knockoffs.
Sometimes people are only in business to make a buck. The customer service needs to be there in order to succeed.
While my experience is very different than yours, I think we can see eye to eye. There are probably hundreds of places we can buy our goods. If someone doesn't want to realize that we keep them in business, than it is very easy to go elsewhere.
 

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I totally agree! What sucks is that this used to be my favorite. I'm really tempted to take a couple of the flavors to one of the others to see if they can mix something close. This could be the thing that gets me into DIY! Lol. Maybe they just cared more for the first couple of months, but you have to keep people coming back to pay the bills...
 

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Just to play devil's advocate here,,,,,it's possible that they thought only ONE bottle had been affected, and it wasn't until another bottle of the mislabled honeydew was brought to their attention that they realized it might be more than that,,,,,,,

sounds like someone at the home office is screwing up and they might want to call and let THEM know.

However, having said that,,,,,,,,,,,you shouldn't have to do their QC for them,,,,,,,,I think you handled it very well. And if I were that manager, I'd be giving you a couple free bottles of (good) juice to thank you.
 

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I agree with commaholly. They probably didn't know they were selling you the wrong juice. Hopefully they'll start checking it more now and let the people back at HQ know about the issue. The steeping line is total BS though. I'd say you've put them on notice, go ahead and shop there and if it happens again take your business elsewhere.
 

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Just to play devil's advocate here,,,,,it's possible that they thought only ONE bottle had been affected, and it wasn't until another bottle of the mislabled honeydew was brought to their attention that they realized it might be more than that,,,,,,,

sounds like someone at the home office is screwing up and they might want to call and let THEM know.

However, having said that,,,,,,,,,,,you shouldn't have to do their QC for them,,,,,,,,I think you handled it very well. And if I were that manager, I'd be giving you a couple free bottles of (good) juice to thank you.

I WOULD absolutely agree with you if he hadn't told me that he new it was honeydew when I brought the second bottles back. He didn't even open the bottle, or check it in any way. And THAT is what really bothered me. A mistake is just that, and I make them all the time. But this kind of strikes me as deceit.

Anyway, I'm over it. I'll get my exchange and let it go. But if it comes up again, I'll stop going. Fool me once, fool me twice, and all that.
 

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I wish there was more than one vape shop here. They really cater to the low end, which is understandable, but I really wish they would carry some supplies for rebuildables. I mean, I don't even expect them to be able to sell me high-end RBAs or mechs (that'd be nice, though), but I would like to be able to walk in and ask if they had some SS mesh without getting a look like I asked if they could clean alien blood out of the trunk of my car.
 

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If I were you I would just have an honest conversation with the guy about why you're disappointed. Tell him why his place is your favorite, that you shop there instead of online even though you can save money elsewhere, that you like his staff, etc. But this whole juice thing is really bothering you, especially about the steeping. I would tell him that you don't want to give up on his shop but he may be leaving you no other choice. His reaction to this may give you faith enough to keep shopping there, or if he doesn't really care about your feelings, then you may be able to walk away without any regrets.
 

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If I were you I would just have an honest conversation with the guy about why you're disappointed. Tell him why his place is your favorite, that you shop there instead of online even though you can save money elsewhere, that you like his staff, etc. But this whole juice thing is really bothering you, especially about the steeping. I would tell him that you don't want to give up on his shop but he may be leaving you no other choice. His reaction to this may give you faith enough to keep shopping there, or if he doesn't really care about your feelings, then you may be able to walk away without any regrets.

Sounds like the conversation I had with him yesterday. Sorry, couldn't resist. Lol. My first post was really long. It's all good. One more chance though, and that's about all I'm willing to give.
 

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What are these B&M stores you talk about? My 'town' has a post office, gas station/bar (same building - now THAT is convenience!) & a gunsmith.

So I do buy everything (not just PV stuff) online. But it seems like you handled the situation well. You definitely gave them more chances than I would have.

I'm really fortunate to have so many local choices, this I know. And I try to support them and keep them around. It's nice to walk in and handle something, or really be able to check it out. Not to mention the emergency run for coils or whatever. I buy a lot of stuff online, but I try to sprinkle the hardware love around locally if the "instant gratification surcharge" isn't too high.
 

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I'm in Austin, and it sounds like you went to Create A Cig. I've had very similar experiences there. If this is where you are going, I would highly recommend going to ANY of the multiple B&M's we have in town. At C-A-C, their staff is unknowledgeable and make mistakes like that often. They also charge 50-100% more for many products than several other stores near them.
 
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