Logic defying result with my RDA build

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tFOrRESTee

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Hello everyone, thanks for reading my post and happy to join the forum! :)

So I have learned that with more airflow in the rda it should produce more vapor, right? But what I have experimented is totally against it.

First of all, here are my configurations.

Mod: magneto
Battery: Efest 18650 purple 18650 2500mAh 35A
RDA: TOBH (from local B&M e-cig store so I think this should be genuine with the price paid)
ejuice: organic juice with 80% VG, 6mg of nic
Coil:

  • dual coils of 26g kanthal A1 graded wire
  • 8 wraps each using 1/8" drill bit with final reading of 0.5 ohm
  • torched before and after the wrapping and the loops are very close to each other. They glow pretty fast after practicing few days
  • position of the coils:
    • ​ both coils are at the center between the postive and the negative posts
    • not too close to the posts and not too close to the walls, somewhere in between
wick:

  • organic cotton
  • not too loose and not too tight while being inserted into the coils
  • I didn't leave the wicks too long, and just cut them short enough to barely touch the bottom of the tank
  • have enough room underneath the coils for airflow

When I started firing it without the cap on, it produced pretty good streams of vapor. Yes there were some popping and gurgling but I would say the amount was pretty good.

Now it's the interesting part: After I put the cap on if I left 3 wholes wide open on each side, it produced huge flavor and way too much throat hit but no vapor at all. If I left just one hole open on each side, it produced a little bit tighter draw with some vapor but it's still weak and even my crappy ego-twist with protank mini produced way more vapor!


Granted I am new to building RDA, but it shouldn't have produced such pathetic amount of vapor. First of all, I don't understand why with more airflow it produced no vapor. Also, I don't get how it could produce such little amount of vapor with one hole on. I think I have applied every bit of knowledge I have learned from online and youtube. I finally built my coils pretty decently (it used to take a long time to heat up), and I learned to not over stuffed my coils with wicks, but I am still struggling with vapor production! Now most of the time I am still using my protank 3 with 0.8 ohm dual coils, and the vapor and the flavor are much better than my own build.


I know may be I should try the rayon cellucotton, or may be some expensive organic Japanese cotton. But till then, do you see if I have done something wrong, or do you have any suggestion? One thing I can think of is may be the elevation of my coils are too high since I raised them up close to the top of the posts, but I thought that would produce better circulation. I would try to lower them tonight to see how it turns out.


Please help out and any suggestions are welcomed! Thanks in advance!
 
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Welcome to ECF tFOrRESTee!

Something is wrong. As InTheShade said, are you lining up the air holes with the coils? Also, are you taking a drag into your mouth and then inhaling it, or straight into your lungs? If you are doing mouth hits, you're not getting enough air flow through the RDA and vapor production will be quite low.
 

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Hello and welcome to the forum tFOrRESTee. Glad to have you here!:)

Since others are give you great info on your vapor production issue I just have an FYI for you. Your Efest 35A batteries are only 20A continuous. This link is from Baditude (our resident battery/safety expert): Purple Efest Batteries not as Advertised
 

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What do you normally vape with?

If this is your first build, why waste time putting a second coil only to decide in the end that something is wrong; just get 1 coil right, then when it's right, add a second coil.

If you've got a regulated mod, then you can build the 1 coil on the regulated mod and once you get that going good, you add the second coil and move to the mech because at that point you'll need to.
 
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tFOrRESTee

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Thanks all for the reply.

Sorry but I thought I saw Efest was recommended from one of the forum threads here, .../forum/blogs/baditude/4848-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html (sorry it doesn't let me post a link :( )

Anyway, I apologize for my ignorance but I gotta two questions.

"are you lining up the air holes with the coils?" Does that mean I need to line up the airholes to either ends of the coils?

"are you taking a drag into your mouth and then inhaling it, or straight into your lungs?" I have been a smoker for a long time and switched to ecig for more than a month now, and I always take a drag into my mouth then inhale it. Does going straight into my lung produce more vapor?
 

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I now normally vape with my magneto, protank 3 with 0.8 dual coils, and 50/50 ejuices purchased from my B&M vape store. Planning to do my own e-juices next :)

So all you have for power is the magneto?
So do you have an ohmmeter or are you using a multimeter?
 

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The difference between mouth to lung hits and straight lung hits is HUGE.

If you're taking mouth hits, it's no surprise that you aren't getting great clouds. By taking lung hits, you're able to keep up with the large amount of airflow. If you don't take lung hits, your coils will naturally get hotter, and thus the vapor will be harsher (and there will be less of it, as you won't be adequately supplying the coils with air).

Also, you definitely need to line up the coils with the airflow holes. It needs to be in such a way that the coils are practically "visible" (depending on the size of your airflow holes) through the holes.
 

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Thanks all for the reply.

Sorry but I thought I saw Efest was recommended from one of the forum threads here, .../forum/blogs/baditude/4848-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html (sorry it doesn't let me post a link :( )

Anyway, I apologize for my ignorance but I gotta two questions.

"are you lining up the air holes with the coils?" Does that mean I need to line up the airholes to either ends of the coils?

Don't worry, we all started out with no experience tFOrRESTee. It's good that you're asking questions, keep doing that :)

When you look through an air hole, you should see the center of a coil. It doesn't have to be exact, but if the coil is 45 degrees to one side you're wasting a lot of performance and changing the vape, probably in a bad way.

"are you taking a drag into your mouth and then inhaling it, or straight into your lungs?" I have been a smoker for a long time and switched to ecig for more than a month now, and I always take a drag into my mouth then inhale it. Does going straight into my lung produce more vapor?

The problem with mouth hits is you are limited to moving the amount of air your mouth can hold through the RDA. The more power you put in the RDA (or any juice delivery device) determines the optimal amount of air flow required to run the RDA. The power (watts) you develop in the RDA depends on the resistance of the coils. 0.5 ohms = about 30 watts with a charged battery and around 20 watts at 3.6 volts. You definitely need to lung inhale to get that much power performing well for you. Try it. Take a small lung inhale, then take progressively deeper inhales and see what happens.

BTW, with your battery you should never go below 0.3 ohms or you risk drawing to much current (amps) from it. Here's a Ohm's law online calculator. Plug in 4.2 volts (a fully charged battery) and 0.5 ohms and hit enter. You'll see the amps and the watts that the battery is outputting. Your RDA will get less than that because of voltage loss through the battery, but don't worry about that. The important thing is not to over work the battery. Change the voltage to 3.6 and see what happens to the amps. Change back to 4.2 volts and input a different resistance and you'll get the idea of how it works. Your battery is good for 20A maximum.
 
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tFOrRESTee

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Thanks Ryedan and everyone else, airhole alignment and direct inhaling saved the day! :)

Here are pics for my set up.

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Anyway, I am so glad that I found out what I have done wrong, and most of all, a great forum with fantastic people!
 

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Thanks Ryedan and everyone else, airhole alignment and direct inhaling saved the day! :)

Great and you're welcome! I love it when a plan comes together :thumb:

FYI, air flow over the coils is more than just related to your vape experience in the way you now understand. It also has a large influence on coil temperature when the coils are turned on. Low airflow causes the temperature to go up. Get them too hot and your juice can degrade and make chemicals that are unhealthy for us to inhale. We are still figuring this stuff out, but that's the way it looks right now.

This is not something I worry about constantly. I just keep the air moving when I take a drag and if I taste burnt juice, I stop vaping and fix whatever is wrong.
 

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FYI, air flow over the coils is more than just related to your vape experience in the way you now understand. It also has a large influence on coil temperature when the coils are turned on. Low airflow causes the temperature to go up. Get them too hot and your juice can degrade and make chemicals that are unhealthy for us to inhale. We are still figuring this stuff out, but that's the way it looks right now.
Yep. I noticed how cool my mod stayed with lung inhale. It used to be burning hot with just 4 to 5 draws but now it stays cool all the way!

Well I used to think my battery was fine but now I am going to get the Sony VTC5. I did consider Sony VTC5 but I read that Sony is not making VTC5 any more so I was not sure if the online vendors were trust worthy selling genuine products. Time to lurk around to find some reputable sellers. :)
 

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Yep. I noticed how cool my mod stayed with lung inhale. It used to be burning hot with just 4 to 5 draws but now it stays cool all the way!

Well I used to think my battery was fine but now I am going to get the Sony VTC5. I did consider Sony VTC5 but I read that Sony is not making VTC5 any more so I was not sure if the online vendors were trust worthy selling genuine products. Time to lurk around to find some reputable sellers. :)

For high powered vaping, it makes sense to get a box that holds 2 batteries in parallel instead of trying to draw high power from one little battery.
 
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