Long term storage of liquid & batteries?

[John Huebner]

So, with all that's happening I've been giving some thought to a backup plan.

While I do think that those fighting the FDA will have some success, I never underestimate the stupidity of our elected officials.

I'm thinking of stocking up on liquid, batteries and other associated stuff and putting it in long term storage.

I'm currently using a Haka Mini, and since I really like it I don't see me changing that at any point unless I have to.

I'm thinking that freezing e-liquid will be safe, but I could be wrong. Most of the other parts will be fine if I just put them in a box. But I'm not sure what I should do with the batteries. If I buy a stock pile of batteries can I just put them in a box? How long will they last? Should I do something else with them?

Any suggestions, insights, knowledge that anyone can pass on would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Baditude]

Vaping batteries (IMR and INR lithium batteries) should always be available as other industries use them, too. No need to stockpile batteries.

E-liquid should be good for up to two years if stored in a cool, dark area like a storage closet or pantry cabinent. If you DIY eliquid, the liquid nicotine base can be kept in your freezer.

 

[Jdurand]

Bad is right about the batteries, save your money and buy fresh ones when the time comes. There has been talk of freezing e-liquid around here. Some do it with no issues at all. it won't really freeze, just gel up some. Remember to bring it back to room temp before vaping it. It was also stated that the frozen juice vs just either refrigerated or stored in a cool dark place, was not preserved any better. YRMV

 

[IMFire3605]

Only issue I have ever had with freezing pre-made liquids is sepperation. So as @Jdurand mentioned, bring the liquid back up to room temperature, but make sure to shake and agitate it regularly while it is doing so, this will make the liquid mix back together, though a couple day steeping helps even more.

 

[DC2]

This is a chart I pulled off Battery University a long time ago...

 

[Frocket]

I haven't tried freezing any premixed juice, but I'd be concerned about separation and altered flavor.

A lot of flavorants don't actually dissolve very well in PG/VG. If stored in a freezer, there's a good chance they'd precipitate out of solution and possibly crystallize. Also, some flavors may not withstand freezing temps without altering the compounds to some degree.

For DIYers, that won't be too much of an issue. Once regulations take effect, we may see a more limited selection of flavorings - specifically those branded/labeled explicitly for vaping.

Nicotine base stored properly in the freezer will most likely last a lifetime with very little degradation. PG/VG will always be available, since it's used for so many applications.

Same thing for 18650s - until a better battery comes along. Right now, lithium ion batteries, particularly in the 18650 format, are an industry standard. They're used in laptop batteries, rechargeable power tool packs, multiple electronics, even electric cars. They're in thousands of different products. There's a possibility that a better battery chemistry/format could come along in the future as technology progresses, though.

BOOM!

 

[mountaingal]

The only flavors that may not be available will most likely be the tobacco flavors. All the other flavors are used in cooking and cosmetics.

 

[aikanae1]

The only flavors that may not be available will most likely be the tobacco flavors. All the other flavors are used in cooking and cosmetics.

It was nice to have flavorings made for vaping, diketone free and for me, pg free.

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[Frocket]

The biggest issue with deeming regs and flavors is marketing.

If a product is intended for or reasonably expected to be used in eliquid, it could be considered a tobacco product, so how it's labeled/advertised/marketed makes a difference.

Many online vendors that market directly for DIY liquid will probably have a hard time, because of how they market - they sell flavors specifically marketed for use in eliquid.

Other vendors, such as TFA and Capella, probably won't have any issues. Sure, their products are most likely primarily used to make eliquid, but that's not how they market them - vaping or eliquid is not mentioned anywhere on their websites or product descriptions, and the flavors are labeled "For culinary use only".

BOOM!

 

[Rickajho]

What Frocket said.

It is known that unflavored nicotine will keep indefinitely (if you count the known 6+ years so far) if properly stored in a freezer. However, I'm still erring on the side of caution that freezing flavored liquids is a risk due to potential separation and crystallization.

While anecdotal evidence by some ECF'ers indicates that freezing or refrigerating some flavored liquids turns out ok, I'm still not convinced that that is true of all flavorings. I'm not personally willing to risk that 500 ml's of the best Peach Cobbler liquid ever going into the freezer isn't going to come out of the freezer tasting something like "orange stuff with raw pillsbury crescent dough".

 

[DC2]

It was nice to have flavorings made for vaping, diketone free and for me, pg free.

I'm pretty sure that marketing something as "diketone-free" will come under scrutiny.
Intended use is likely to make such a flavoring a tobacco product.

So the end result would be that no one can tell you a flavoring is diketone-free.
I guess we'll have to see how that shakes out.
:shrug:

 

[aikanae1]

I'm pretty sure that marketing something as "diketone-free" will come under scrutiny.
Intended use is likely to make such a flavoring a tobacco product.

So the end result would be that no one can tell you a flavoring is diketone-free.
I guess we'll have to see how that shakes out.
:shrug:

Sort of anti public health.

I can't think of another product that puts the responsibility on the manufacturer for customer using the product in a way that the manufacturer didn't intend. Even very specific products. The closest I can think of is guns and that hasn't gone anywhere. Even when I stick to things under FDA control, I come up with zip.

Now I want one of those mods made out of an asthma inhaler more than ever. Think they'll make asthma inhalers illegal? Outlaw Altoids anytime soon?

Flavoring is dual use.

 

[englishmick]

The biggest issue with deeming regs and flavors is marketing.

If a product is intended for or reasonably expected to be used in eliquid, it could be considered a tobacco product, so how it's labeled/advertised/marketed makes a difference.

Many online vendors that market directly for DIY liquid will probably have a hard time, because of how they market - they sell flavors specifically marketed for use in eliquid.

Other vendors, such as TFA and Capella, probably won't have any issues. Sure, their products are most likely primarily used to make eliquid, but that's not how they market them - vaping or eliquid is not mentioned anywhere on their websites or product descriptions, and the flavors are labeled "For culinary use only".

BOOM!

I was ordering flavorings today and I noticed this on the WL site for Capella flavors. It was included on the blurb for every flavor.

"At Capella Flavors, they strive to produce the best natural flavor enhancers that may be applied to any kind of food or beverage such as Diet Shakes, Oatmeal, Pudding, Espresso–based drinks, brewed Coffee and Tea, Martinis, Smoothies, Italian sodas, Desserts, e-juice, e-liquid and more!"

I don't know if this is something WL wrote up or if it came from Capella. Never noticed it before.

 

[englishmick]

I'm pretty sure that marketing something as "diketone-free" will come under scrutiny.
Intended use is likely to make such a flavoring a tobacco product.

So the end result would be that no one can tell you a flavoring is diketone-free.
I guess we'll have to see how that shakes out.
:shrug:

Could be like when they banned the designation Light Cigarettes, but you could still buy them if you knew the right packet color to ask for. If you know the secret vaping code you could order V2 or DX.

 

[Frocket]

I was ordering flavorings today and I noticed this on the WL site for Capella flavors. It was included on the blurb for every flavor.

"At Capella Flavors, they strive to produce the best natural flavor enhancers that may be applied to any kind of food or beverage such as Diet Shakes, Oatmeal, Pudding, Espresso–based drinks, brewed Coffee and Tea, Martinis, Smoothies, Italian sodas, Desserts, e-juice, e-liquid and more!"

I don't know if this is something WL wrote up or if it came from Capella. Never noticed it before.

From Capella's product descriptions on their website:

"Uses:

Diet Shakes, Smoothies and Protein drinks
Baking and Frosting
Breakfast, Oatmeal and Puddings
Skinny Cocktails, Martinis, Margaritas and Mojitos
Coffee, Tea, Espressos and Lattes
Italian Sodas and Flavored Water
Desserts, Sherberts and Shave Ice"

It looks like they borrowed from Capella for the product description, just paraphrased and added to it.

BOOM!