Hording and storage

Status
Not open for further replies.

ENAUD

Resting In Peace
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 23, 2013
9,810
64,089
Bordertown of ProVariland and REOville
I installed one of these yesterday. Ought to be plenty big enough to hold 20yrs of 100mg nicotine.
81J4LfrLOJL._SL1500_.jpg
I'd love to know just how many freezers have been bought just for nic storage in the last few weeks :) :lol:
 

cocacola31173

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Nov 7, 2012
2,993
3,992
United States
I have been buying bulk nic the last couple of years...but only when it was on sale...I buy the insulated lunch bags and divide it up into 125 ml glass bottles and wrap each one in a ziplock bag. I then put 3 in another ziplock bag. The lunch bag can hold 6 bottles this way and thats a whole liter..(Plus I can grab them quick if there is a fire! LOL)
 

MyMagicMist

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Mar 28, 2014
1,159
2,465
53
I have been buying bulk nic the last couple of years...but only when it was on sale...I buy the insulated lunch bags and divide it up into 125 ml glass bottles and wrap each one in a ziplock bag. I then put 3 in another ziplock bag. The lunch bag can hold 6 bottles this way and thats a whole liter..(Plus I can grab them quick if there is a fire! LOL)

That's only 750mL 125mL times 6 equals 750, not 1,000. A liter is 1,000mL, correct?
 

MyMagicMist

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Mar 28, 2014
1,159
2,465
53
I installed one of these yesterday. Ought to be plenty big enough to hold 20yrs of 100mg nicotine.
81J4LfrLOJL._SL1500_.jpg

I figured my own ratio out a bit ago. It was 4 years for each of 3L of nicotine at 18mg per ml. Found a vendor selling liters of unflavored nicotine base juice at 18mg/ml too. 6L = 8 yrs, 9L = 12 yrs, 12L = 16 yrs, 15L = 20 yrs at least in my case. 30L then would get me another 40 years. At the vendor's price of $44 per Liter that would mean $1,320 for what possibly would be my remaining lifetime supply. At present that's money I don't have. I may need to buy a year at a time, which would be 1L each chance I had to buy.
 

Two_Bears

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 4, 2015
7,045
16,673
Northern Arizona
@Two_Bears - Thought you might want to go back and edit your post #17. I did a real doubletake, and about spewed my coffee on my monitor, when I read about the ice crystals! :ohmy:

Thank you brother. I use an Android phone as my computer and when i am very tried typo city!
 
  • Like
Reactions: AstroTurf

GeorgeS

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
  • May 31, 2015
    2,266
    3,534
    Oregon, USA
    I figured my own ratio out a bit ago. It was 4 years for each of 3L of nicotine at 18mg per ml. Found a vendor selling liters of unflavored nicotine base juice at 18mg/ml too. 6L = 8 yrs, 9L = 12 yrs, 12L = 16 yrs, 15L = 20 yrs at least in my case. 30L then would get me another 40 years. At the vendor's price of $44 per Liter that would mean $1,320 for what possibly would be my remaining lifetime supply. At present that's money I don't have. I may need to buy a year at a time, which would be 1L each chance I had to buy.

    I started stock piling back in November. A liter here a liter there. I quickly learned NOT TO let the other half put the items in the freezers as I may never be able to find them again (nearly had to empty a chest freezer to find one bottle). So the dedicated freezer made sense.

    While I've been loading up on "Nude Armor" in 120mL bottles I'll have to admit that the 2.1CF freeze is a bit overkill, a 1.1CF freezer would of worked but the smaller models seemed at first glance to small however 1CF ought to be room for 28 liters and even if we use 18 liters to account for packaging, there is still room left over for 10 liters of nicotine in the 1CF freezer. (sigh) :facepalm:
     
    • Like
    Reactions: AstroTurf

    DancingHeretik

    Dancing in the Chaos
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Mar 20, 2011
    8,837
    62,105
    San Antonio, TX
    I figured my own ratio out a bit ago. It was 4 years for each of 3L of nicotine at 18mg per ml. Found a vendor selling liters of unflavored nicotine base juice at 18mg/ml too. 6L = 8 yrs, 9L = 12 yrs, 12L = 16 yrs, 15L = 20 yrs at least in my case. 30L then would get me another 40 years. At the vendor's price of $44 per Liter that would mean $1,320 for what possibly would be my remaining lifetime supply. At present that's money I don't have. I may need to buy a year at a time, which would be 1L each chance I had to buy.
    First you said '4 years for each of 3L of nicotine at 18mg per ml'. So, 3L should last you 12 years.

    But, that doesn't match with the rest of what you said.

    You're buying at 18 mg/ml strength?

    What mg/ml do you vape at, and what quantity do you vape?
     
    • Like
    Reactions: AstroTurf

    Two_Bears

    Vaping Master
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Jul 4, 2015
    7,045
    16,673
    Northern Arizona
    First you said '4 years for each of 3L of nicotine at 18mg per ml'. So, 3L should last you 12 years.

    But, that doesn't match with the rest of what you said.

    You're buying at 18 mg/ml strength?

    What mg/ml do you vape at, and what quantity do you vape?

    Most people buy nicotine at 100 mg/ml
     

    mattiem

    ECF Guru
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Just yesterday one of the moderators here reported putting an unopened bottle of ejuice in the freezer for years. When she took it out the eJuice was as good as brand new.

    Just to keep the record straight she said she had kept it in there for one year (give or take a couple of days). Sadly this is how rumors and mis-information gets started. Granted, this experiment proved that some e-liquids can be kept in the freezer for up to a year thus leading us to believe that if it works for one year it most likely will be alright after 2, 3 or 10 years.

    Keep in mind that not all e-liquids are the same. Hers was a net e-liquid. someone else's fruit or dessert might not fair as well. we can only find out by running the test ourselves with our particular e-liquid.
     
    Last edited:

    Robino1

    Resting in Peace
    ECF Veteran
    Sep 7, 2012
    27,447
    110,403
    Treasure Coast, Florida
    Just to keep the record straight she said she had kept it in there for one year (give or take a couple of days). Sadly this is how rumors and mis-information gets started. Granted, this experiment proved that some e-liquids can be kept in the freezer for up to a year thus leading us to believe that if it works for one year it most likely will be alright after 2, 3 or 10 years.

    Keep in mind that not e-liquids are the same. Hers was a net e-liquid. someone else's fruit or dessert might not fair as well. we can only find out by running the test ourselves with our particular e-liquid.
    Precisely :)

    If anyone plans on keeping some of their ready made stock in the freezer, test it first before assuming it will fare well.
     

    DancingHeretik

    Dancing in the Chaos
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Mar 20, 2011
    8,837
    62,105
    San Antonio, TX
    I figured my own ratio out a bit ago. It was 4 years for each of 3L of nicotine at 18mg per ml. Found a vendor selling liters of unflavored nicotine base juice at 18mg/ml too. 6L = 8 yrs, 9L = 12 yrs, 12L = 16 yrs, 15L = 20 yrs at least in my case. 30L then would get me another 40 years. At the vendor's price of $44 per Liter that would mean $1,320 for what possibly would be my remaining lifetime supply. At present that's money I don't have. I may need to buy a year at a time, which would be 1L each chance I had to buy.
    Most people buy nicotine at 100 mg/ml
    I know. But, MMM's post confused me. Four year per liter sounds like 60 - 100 mg/ml, probably 100. But, the rest of the post confused me.

    If 1 liter lasts 4 years, then 5 liters would last 20 years or 10 liters would last 40 years. If you buy it on sale, that's only $400 for 40 years, not $1320. So, I'm confused.

    I'm probably just missing something. Moving on.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: AstroTurf

    MyMagicMist

    Ultra Member
    ECF Veteran
    Mar 28, 2014
    1,159
    2,465
    53
    First you said '4 years for each of 3L of nicotine at 18mg per ml'. So, 3L should last you 12 years.

    But, that doesn't match with the rest of what you said.

    You're buying at 18 mg/ml strength?

    What mg/ml do you vape at, and what quantity do you vape?

    That is 3 Liters will last 4 years at 2mL of 1.8mg/18% per 1mL of juice daily. So then I figured 3 Liters for every four (4) years. Ergo, 6 Liters will go eight (8) years, 9 Liters is 12, 12 Liters is 16 years, 15 Liters is 20 years. It matches up. What I said in another way was that 1 3 Liter bottle lasts 4 years for me. Each 3L lasts 4 years.

    I vape 1.8mg/mL, or 18% nicotine per mL. In a 30mL bottle that works out to being roughly 3.60mL of nicotine base of 100% nicotine that vapers use. It is not pure grade nicotine, rather a 10% cut with the carrier base be it PG or VG.
     

    AnthonyB

    Ultra Member
    Supporting Member
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Jul 5, 2010
    2,823
    7,778
    Sydney Australia
    No ya don't! You don't even put flavorings or flavored liquids in the 'fridge, let alone the freezer. The volatile compounds in most flavorings we use do not respond well to refrigeration. Ever put a can of Coke in the freezer to chill it, forget about it, then try it when it thawed out? You go from "Coke" to "brown flavored sugar water." Many e-liquid flavorings respond the same way.

    Unflavored nic in the freezer of course - as much as you can cram in there.

    I am not sure I agree with this. I store e-liquids in the fridge and they vape perfectly well and taste the same when thawed out. Granted I store mostly NET liquids but my sweet, bakery and fruity flavors store just as well. The fridge sits at 4 degrees, which is probably the average day time average of a Northern European country.

    Having said that, I would never store mixed eliquids in the freezer.
     

    MyMagicMist

    Ultra Member
    ECF Veteran
    Mar 28, 2014
    1,159
    2,465
    53
    Most people buy nicotine at 100 mg/ml

    Yep, but I would be getting a base mix of 41% PG, 41% VG, that would be 82% of the mix. That leaves 18% of the mix to be 100% nicotine in whatever carrier the mixer uses. I could get 33 30mL bottles out of this. I may not be using the full 1,000mL but that I leave as a overage/spill buffer. I may end up with maybe 34 30mL bottles actually but I'm kind of doubting that, thinking closer to 33 30mL and maybe 1 15mL. This is based on 1L, or 1,000mL. Then doing averages of 1.5 - 3.0mL daily use I come to 2mL I use daily. Plug that into the formula to devise that 3L will last me 4 yrs.

    365 days per year * 2mL = 730mL per year needed + overage of another 270mL = 1L + 270mL Overage/spill * 4 = 1,080mL surplus per year.

    3 Liters in such a way lasts me 4 years, I have what is needed for 3 years, 1L per each of 3 years plus the extra surplus of a Liter for overage/spill --- 3L lasts 4 years for me.
     
    Last edited:

    MyMagicMist

    Ultra Member
    ECF Veteran
    Mar 28, 2014
    1,159
    2,465
    53
    I know. But, MMM's post confused me. Four year per liter sounds like 60 - 100 mg/ml, probably 100. But, the rest of the post confused me.

    If 1 liter lasts 4 years, then 5 liters would last 20 years or 10 liters would last 40 years. If you buy it on sale, that's only $400 for 40 years, not $1320. So, I'm confused.

    I'm probably just missing something. Moving on.

    No. Not 4 years per Liter. 3 Liters per 4 years. :)
     
    Status
    Not open for further replies.

    Users who are viewing this thread