Hording and storage

[Rickajho]

You plays the game you takes your chances. But there have been several reports in DIY of flavors that completely fell flat once they met up with the near freezing temps in a modern refrigerator.

For short term storage refrigeration doesn't add any benefit for liquids containing non-organic flavors which have a typically reported shelf life of two years to begin with. Plastic bottles, bottles with rubber stopper tops and/or loose caps put in the 'fridge are at risk for flavor transfer. A cherry flavor vape - with hints of onion or that crab bisque you forgot was in there several months back before you tossed it won't be a great thing.

 

[Robino1]

Bottles never uncapped, sealed in plastic ziplock freezer bag. Freezer bags are typically much thicker.

I hate when food smells up the fridge so I typically wrap them so they cannot contaminate other foods or I only make enough for the one meal.

Cut onion always get placed in quart size freezer ziplock bags. The odor never permeates out into the fridge.

I will say, the only food I've not been able to contain the odor....anything with hard boiled eggs in it.

Ok, I'm not saying my method will work for everyone. I am saying that you cannot definitively state not to store your mixed liquids in the fridge or freezer.

Run your own experiment on a small bottle and test if your preferred liquid stands up to the test.

I'm just saying that mine does

 

[DancingHeretik]

That is 3 Liters will last 4 years at 2mL of 1.8mg/18% per 1mL of juice daily. So then I figured 3 Liters for every four (4) years. Ergo, 6 Liters will go eight (8) years, 9 Liters is 12, 12 Liters is 16 years, 15 Liters is 20 years. It matches up. What I said in another way was that 1 3 Liter bottle lasts 4 years for me. Each 3L lasts 4 years.

I vape 1.8mg/mL, or 18% nicotine per mL. In a 30mL bottle that works out to being roughly 3.60mL of nicotine base of 100% nicotine that vapers use. It is not pure grade nicotine, rather a 10% cut with the carrier base be it PG or VG.

Yep, but I would be getting a base mix of 41% PG, 41% VG, that would be 82% of the mix. That leaves 18% of the mix to be 100% nicotine in whatever carrier the mixer uses. I could get 33 30mL bottles out of this. I may not be using the full 1,000mL but that I leave as a overage/spill buffer. I may end up with maybe 34 30mL bottles actually but I'm kind of doubting that, thinking closer to 33 30mL and maybe 1 15mL. This is based on 1L, or 1,000mL. Then doing averages of 1.5 - 3.0mL daily use I come to 2mL I use daily. Plug that into the formula to devise that 3L will last me 4 yrs.

365 days per year * 2mL = 730mL per year needed + overage of another 270mL = 1L + 270mL Overage/spill * 4 = 1,080mL surplus per year.

3 Liters in such a way lasts me 4 years, I have what is needed for 3 years, 1L per each of 3 years plus the extra surplus of a Liter for overage/spill --- 3L lasts 4 years for me.

Oh, I see. You don't buy nicotine to make juice with. You buy premade 18 mg/ml unflavored juice.

You do realize that buying 100 mg/ml juice would save you a fortune, right?

One liter of 100 mg/ml would last you about 5 yeas and cost only about $50.

 

[smacuser]

 

[crxess]

Set a few cents from each Hording Dollar aside for Litigation.
Fighting the FDA isn't cheap, but it may be our best solution.

 

[lynn508]

I put my nic in 120ml bottles, pull one out of the freezer when needed and keep it in the fridge from then on. 120ml lasts me about 8 mos. I try to use the first in principle and have had no problems. I usually make my adv 250 mls at a time from that and have had no degradation. All stored in 120ml amber glass bottles. I then seal them with my foodsaver, so far no probs with 3yr old nic. I was a late bloomer.....but I'm flowering now.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Oh, I see. You don't buy nicotine to make juice with. You buy premade 18 mg/ml unflavored juice.

You do realize that buying 100 mg/ml juice would save you a fortune, right?

One liter of 100 mg/ml would last you about 5 yeas and cost only about $50.

That may be. I don't yet feel confident enough to figure the math correctly though. I mean yes, I can see how to do it. It is just difficult for me to sit with product / money to do. At that point there's an element of pressure, on the spot.

I say I can see it, but I don't know I can. That's why I'd have to buy the premixed.

 

[lynn508]

Onions are usually the first veg to go bad use them within one day. Most of taco bells probs years ago came from the onions believe it or not. There is an old wives tale that if when sick with a cold etc, cut an onion in half and put it by your bed at night...it will absorb the toxins and turn black. I am a natural health junkie but haven't tried it yet.

 

[ckquatt]

That may be. I don't yet feel confident enough to figure the math correctly though. I mean yes, I can see how to do it. It is just difficult for me to sit with product / money to do. At that point there's an element of pressure, on the spot.

I say I can see it, but I don't know I can. That's why I'd have to buy the premixed.

I figured up the math on my vaping habits today. One 500ml bottle of 100mg base will make 166 30 ml bottles in my preferred 10mg ejuice.

At your 18mg you could make 92.5 30ml bottles out of a 500ml of 100mg nic base. That's a lot!! Dollar for dollar it's a lot cheaper too. It's like "buying in bulk" for lack of a better term.

 

[DancingHeretik]

And, you don't have to know how to mix it up right off. You can buy your stash and learn later.

 

[MyMagicMist]

At your 18mg you could make 92.5 30ml bottles out of a 500ml of 100mg nic base.

Okay. Can you write up an example of how to get from 100mg nicotine to my 0.18% in a 30ml bottle, if I were to use say a 50%/50% PG/VG base? If you write up I can copy and save it to remind myself later. I just cannot get from A to B & ensure I keep it correct in my brain.

I am thinking I got a target of 30ml so would need 3.6ml of that as nicotine, then the rest 26.4ml would be the PG/VG/Flavoring. I Read the 3.6ml for the nicotine elsewhere but not exactly sure how to get there for myself & rather would like being sure of that. If I can see the formula of how, I can then get it in my brain.

 

[ckquatt]

Okay. Can you write up an example of how to get from 100mg nicotine to my 0.18% in a 30ml bottle, if I were to use say a 50%/50% PG/VG base? If you write up I can copy and save it to remind myself later. I just cannot get from A to B & ensure I keep it correct in my brain.

I am thinking I got a target of 30ml so would need 3.6ml of that as nicotine, then the rest 26.4ml would be the PG/VG/Flavoring. I Read the 3.6ml for the nicotine elsewhere but not exactly sure how to get there for myself & rather would like being sure of that. If I can see the formula of how, I can then get it in my brain.

All I did was use the e-juice-recipes.com plug and play recipe maker for the totals. Here's a screenshot of what I did. All I did was answer the questions with what you gave us:

At the bottom it kicks kicks out a ready made recipe with %/mls already calculated for you!

Hope that helps!

 

[MyMagicMist]

All I did was use the e-juice-recipes.com plug and play recipe maker for the totals. Here's a screenshot of what I did. All I did was answer the questions with what you gave us:

At the bottom it kicks kicks out a ready made recipe with %/mls already calculated for you!

Hope that helps!

It does and doesn't help. I would like to know the formula the calculator uses. Not trying to be dense here. I'm just not seeing the HOW of how its done. Thought I had, but every fracking time I wind up getting confused and lost.

I want to know the HOW of it so I can easily do it maybe using pencil and paper. Sure, I'll use a calculator to a degree. But the knowing HOW I need to get from A to B is what I'm trying to get into my head. HOW for example does the calculator convert 0.18% from 0.10((100%nic) into a number to use to tell you much of the 100% nic to use in the 30mL bottle?

Maybe I'm asking the wrong thing?

I'll keep looking.

 

[ckquatt]

There's an algebra equation somewhere here in a thread that lets you plug in those numbers and work out the math manually. Don't ask me where it is because it's been a while since I saw it, but I'm sure there's a DIYer in that section that has it and could post it up for you.


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[ckquatt]

It does and doesn't help. I would like to know the formula the calculator uses. Not trying to be dense here. I'm just not seeing the HOW of how its done. Thought I had, but every fracking time I wind up getting confused and lost.

I want to know the HOW of it so I can easily do it maybe using pencil and paper. Sure, I'll use a calculator to a degree. But the knowing HOW I need to get from A to B is what I'm trying to get into my head. HOW for example does the calculator convert 0.18% from 0.10((100%nic) into a number to use to tell you much of the 100% nic to use in the 30mL bottle?

Maybe I'm asking the wrong thing?

I'll keep looking.

Here. Read this. Maybe this will help.
Calculating Nicotine Percentage for DIY E Liquid - Vapable - E Cigarettes, E Liquids and Accessories

 

[MyMagicMist]

Here. Read this. Maybe this will help.
Calculating Nicotine Percentage for DIY E Liquid - Vapable - E Cigarettes, E Liquids and Accessories

Ah Ha! Does this then look okay? I mean, I'm creating my own variable names but do I have the algebra correct?

FORMULA

For different e liquid strengths or quantities just change the relevant parts of the formula.

TS(Target Strength) = 18mg
NC(Nicotine Concentrate) = 100mg
AL(Amount Liquid) = 30ml
NN(Nicotine Needed) = Xm

(TS / NC) * AL = Xml

(18 / 100) * 30 = 5.4ml of nicotine needed per 30ml target bottle


If so, I think my wee little brain can manage that. I'll keep it handy too, if so, that way I can look it up when I need it.

 

[ckquatt]

Ah Ha! Does this then look okay? I mean, I'm creating my own variable names but do I have the algebra correct?

FORMULA

For different e liquid strengths or quantities just change the relevant parts of the formula.

TS(Target Strength) = 18mg
NC(Nicotine Concentrate) = 100mg
AL(Amount Liquid) = 30ml
NN(Nicotine Needed) = Xm

(TS / NC) * AL = Xml

(18 / 100) * 30 = 5.4ml of nicotine needed per 30ml target bottle


If so, I think my wee little brain can manage that. I'll keep it handy too, if so, that way I can look it up when I need it.

Yep! I plugged in my variables and came up with the same answer!

(10/100) * 30 = 3mls

You got it!

 

[MyMagicMist]

Yep! I plugged in my variables and came up with the same answer!

(10/100) * 30 = 3mls

You got it!

Ah. Apparently then I can do some maths. *LOL* Darn shame it too me so long to figure this out. I would have been mixing up juices sooner.

Now, I just add in say 5% or 0.05 total of flavorings if I were to want something flavored at the 5% flavor rate? I subtract my flavoring mix from the PG/VG total correct?

Let me set this up.

(18 / 100) * 30 = 5.4ml NN per AL[30ml]

1. So I have my 30ml bottle, I put in 5.4ml of just the nicotine. (I know it's in a pg or vg carrier. Not looking at being but so accurate for now. Wanting to see the process more so.)

2. I subtract the 5.4 from 30.

3. I have 24.6 ml left over.

4. If I follow the above formula I would do (5 / 24.6) * 30

5. I come up at about 0.20 as the total of flavoring I may use for 5%

6. I then subtract 0.20 from the 24.6 and get 24.40

7. I am left needing 0.20ml of flavoring and 24.40 divided equally in PG/VG if I'm doing a 50%/50% mixed juice?

8. For one 50%PG/50%VG 30ml at 18% with 5% flavoring I need: 5.40ml of nicotine + 12.20 ml of PG + 12.20 ml of VG + 0.20 ml of flavoring.

I checked it trying to use 10% and got 0.406 and rounded up to 0.41. I see the algebraic formula is the same. Thank you, think I have it figured it. It is now matter of subjective tastes. The variables might differ a little but I see the formula remains constant, true.

 

[ckquatt]

Good! I'm glad we found your answer! My good deed's done for the day! LOL!!!

Happy mixing! It truly is a blast!


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