Looking for a new PV

[Apathetic Cardigan]

Hey all! I'm relatively new to vaping, got almost half a year under my belt. I started on the eGo-c upgrade and while I like it, I have a few questions. First, I've been doing a bit of research on how these things work, but I'm still lost. Looking up the top ten PV mods, I usually get the same list. They all include the GG telescopic, the provari, the empire, the megalodon, the saber touch, and the darwin. What I'm confused about, is: why are these so much better than anything else? It seems like the batteries are a waste of time and money. I don't know how much the cost or how long they last, but they seem counter-productive comparatively to the eGo-c's plug-in and charge system. Now I could be speaking from inexperience, but I don't understand why the battery requiring mods are consistently the best.
Secondly, Is there a pv mod out there that is plug-in and charge no batteries required that is a very high end model? The darwin looks like it but I can't tell based on what I'm reading.
Thirdly, is the ego-c even good? I've talked to some vapers that say it's great for the price, but that's it.

Any information would be greatly appreciated

 

[Apathetic Cardigan]

Unholy,

Could you define VW as it compares to VV? I don't understand the difference.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Hi and welcome to ECF. I own a Megalodon and only bought it because it's mechanical- parts easy to replace and has separate batteries and still fires great 1 yr later BUT I wouldn't recommend it as a buy- batteries are very cheap as opposed to eGo, Kgo, Riva, etc. If I wish I can put a 2400 mah batt in and it's good for 20 hrs vaping. I owned a Provari but had no use for high VV so it's gone. Right now we are just about in the midst of a VV war with lots of new models coming to market and it seems all these VV PVs have their pros and cons BUT I will admit the Provari was an extremely well built and quality device.

Thirdly, is the ego-c even good? I've talked to some vapers that say it's great for the price, but that's it.

eGo-C only fires at 3.3 volts...Kgo or Riva fire at 3.7 volts and are less expensive.

 

[kabonk]

Batteries for mods or APV as they are calling them theses days are relatively cheap around $10 a battery and last a long time I think you can get 500 charges out of them. They are a true 3.7v where the ego isn't and they tend to have a higher mah so they last longer in between charges

 

[Nautty1]

the ego is good for the money but it can get alot better if ya just spend a lil more money the darwin is the topp of the line along with provari but i have a china lavatube and it works great only cost 50 bucks and variable voltage some love it some hate it i love it ive tried alot of differant pvs and always end up with my lavatube back in my hand with my vivi nova tank vaping on the 2.8 ohm head at 4.0 to 5.0 volts

 

[KuroCz]

variable voltage will allow you to change the taste of your hit with a change in voltage on the device instead of switching from one resistance head to another, it's just a more flexible battery system. The top mods, appeal to poeple for various reasons, but I think it's safe to say, they all offer a 'better vape' than single voltage units for a lot less fiddling around. An example: Breaking in my ego-t backup, I chain vape on it quite often. On my vv unit, I dial it up to 4.7volts for some good throathit vapes in the morning and night, and during the day I can dial it back to 3.7~4.3 for less throathit if I feel like it. Juices can also taste different at different voltages, juice A tastes best for me @3.7v, juice B tastes best for me @4.5v etc.

 

[tj99959]

Build quality is why you keep getting the same search results.
Nothing at all wrong with an eGo battery, your "upgrade" even allows you to choose between regulated 3.4v and unregulated 3.7v. The only problem is that when it goes bad, you throw it away.

Yes the Darwin has built in batteries, and you plug it in to charge much the same as your eGo. There's just one problem, Brandon hasn't built one in over 6 months.

 

[Teamcarp]

What does everybody think oabout the new Zmax? Is it going to be a good one or should i wait and see if it has issues, im in no rush to buy..

 

[j3yps]

I just got a PROVARI, huge difference from my old eCigs

 

[Baditude]

The basic difference between the "ego" class of PV's and the "tube or big battery" APV's is the ego's are considered disposable and the tube mods are built for durability and long term use.

The ego system uses a built-in proprietary rechargable battery. Most of these output 3.4v of power. They are designed to last roughly around 7 months until the battery will no longer take an adequate charge and the unit must be disposed of. Your mileage may vary. These devices have a slimmer form factor which makes them more portable than the big battery tube mods. Battery life between charges can be between 7 -12 hours. These devices are not particularly built to take a beating, and could be considered fragile compared to the durability of an APV.

The APV's are built to be more durable, designed to last years as opposed to months. They are generally larger and heavier than the ego's. When their removable battery's charge dies out, you just replace it with a fresh charged one. These batteries generally have an expected lifetime of one year. These devices put out a higher voltage of 3.7v. Battery life between charges depends upon the size of the battery the APV uses. Figure 1 hr = 100 mah. So a 14500 battery with a 600 mah rating will last around 6 hours, or 900 mah rating 9 hours. An 18650 battery with a 3100 mah rating will last 31 hours use. These replaceable batteries run between $6 and $12. These devices are capable of carrying much larger reservoirs of juice (tanks) of up to 7ml or more which could last an individual a couple of days between refills.

The ego devices have their own center post threading, which means when you use a cartomizer, clearomizer, etc...that attachment will require an ego threading....unless you get an small adaptor to fit between two devices with different threading.

The APV's generally have a 510 threading. Attachments for them should be ordered with a 510 thread. Of course, you can use devices with other threading with the use of an adaptor.

Which class of PV is best suited for you depends upon what you are looking for. The ego's offer more portability, smaller form size, cheaper initial expense but the entire unit will initially need to be replaced.

The APV's offer long term durability, a more robust build to take rougher treatment, initially more expensive but only the less expensive batteries need to be replaced, not the entire unit. Capable of carrying larger capacities of juice.

A lot of experienced vapors use both an APV for home use, and an ego device as a backup or when out and about.

 

[CSH65]

I have 2 eGo Twists and a Provari. With the Twists, you screw the entire thing into the charger, which leaves you without a battery to use while it's charging so you will need a minimum of two. I use these when I go out because they are more portable. The Provari has a replaceable battery. When one battery gets low, you just replace it with a charged batt. The batts for the Provari are $12 to $15. The Twist batts can run from about $25 to $50 depending on who you buy them from. AND, you have to be mindful to make certain that one is always charging while the other is in use. I have the Twists because I don't like to take the Provari out. It's too heavy and it was expensive, so I don't want anything to happen to it. They all work well, it's just a matter of what you are more comfortable with.

 

[Apathetic Cardigan]

Thanks Baditude that really clears alot up for me. And thanks to everyone for their comments. Why hasn't Brandon made any? The darwin is the one I want the most. With this info I can definitely make a better informed decision on what I buy as far as APV's go.

 

[tj99959]

Why hasn't Brandon made any? The darwin is the one I want the most

Well he's been making Kicks, DNA-12 chips, and USB charger chips instead.
I heard a little birdie say that a Darwin-2 is in the works, so I doubt that we will see anymore Darwins.

Course you can always build your own.

 

[NancyR]

Hey all! I'm relatively new to vaping, got almost half a year under my belt. I started on the eGo-c upgrade and while I like it, I have a few questions. First, I've been doing a bit of research on how these things work, but I'm still lost. Looking up the top ten PV mods, I usually get the same list. They all include the GG telescopic, the provari, the empire, the megalodon, the saber touch, and the darwin. What I'm confused about, is: why are these so much better than anything else? It seems like the batteries are a waste of time and money. I don't know how much the cost or how long they last, but they seem counter-productive comparatively to the eGo-c's plug-in and charge system. Now I could be speaking from inexperience, but I don't understand why the battery requiring mods are consistently the best.
Secondly, Is there a pv mod out there that is plug-in and charge no batteries required that is a very high end model? The darwin looks like it but I can't tell based on what I'm reading.
Thirdly, is the ego-c even good? I've talked to some vapers that say it's great for the price, but that's it.

Any information would be greatly appreciated

Please remember that even the plug and charge type such as the ego and darwin are still batteries, they still are only good for so many charges before they just don't work right anymore. So then it comes down to this, do you want to pay $10 for a new battery for in your unit, or do you want to pay $20 + depending on the unit to replace it.

 

[Apathetic Cardigan]

tj99959
If only it were that easy haha