I have been lookin for a genny style rba, thinking about the agat2. What would you all recommend as a good genny for a first time user? I've rebuilt protanks and I've been using a trident, nimbus, and igo-l with minimal frustration. I am not a fan of the platform of the igo though, I prefer not having to wrap leads, I really like the trident and nimbus because it has the post holes to fish the leads through and clamp down. It's a lot easier than the igo-l. The agat2 has the wrap type and I can see my self getting irritated with it, so what would you guys recommend for a genesis? The rsst has been recommended to first time users but I want a glass tank. I love the performance of the rebuildables i have but despise having to constantly drip. I was using protanks before going to rda's and would like to get back to a tank setup, so a genesis seems to be the way to go. What say you?
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The AGA T-2, is not in the least what I would consider a first time ss mesh rba, it can be a royal pain. The AGA has uninsulated wick bore, it was the core to my frustration. Setup is also the work here, getting it working doing the genny tilt is fairly straightforward, you can help with the hotspot problems with the cigarette paper trick, capillary wicking is the challenge here as I have tried a handful of different mesh types and have yet to get it perfect. If you don't mind the schooling it will do you the AGA will undoubtedly teach you the ins and outs of SS Mesh.
I have a IGO-L and a AGA-T2. Yes, the screws on the IGO are small and sometimes a pain to work with. There is only a screw on the AGA negative connection but it's much bigger than what the IGO has. I find that very easy to work with.
The positive connection is made between two nuts. You have to be a bit careful not to over tighten the top nut or the whole positive post will turn which shortens the coil lead. What I do is use two pliers, one on each nut.
Can't help with other RBA's. I know there are easier connection designs and someone who has them will pipe in with info on them.
Yes, I like my AGA-T. It will be the first time you work with SS wicks I think, so that will involve a learning curve. Check out eHuan's blog for a great tutorial on working with SS here.
The positive connection is made between two nuts. You have to be a bit careful not to over tighten the top nut or the whole positive post will turn which shortens the coil lead. What I do is use two pliers, one on each nut.
Can't help with other RBA's. I know there are easier connection designs and someone who has them will pipe in with info on them.
Yes, I like my AGA-T. It will be the first time you work with SS wicks I think, so that will involve a learning curve. Check out eHuan's blog for a great tutorial on working with SS here.
From what I've read the genesis style tanks aren't beginner devices at all but I'm looking for a good device to start with, so this sounds like a good place to start. I'll check this one out.
I've heard this is the device to start with and it's performance is good, but I want to stay away from any plastic tanks. If they made a Pyrex replacement I would definately go with the rsst.
Yes, I've watched riptripper's tutorials on rebuilding protank coils with ss mesh, and that's the only exposure to ssmesh I have had, so I will DEFINATELY check this out. Thanks!
Ss mesh isn't the only option with genesis tanks though, I could try ceramic, cable, or other... But when I mentioned genesis tanks, everybody automatically went to SS mesh. Is that because it is the most practical, the most economic, it performs the best... It's certainly not the easiest option, I'm wondering why you all go to ss mesh by default? I'm totally new to the genesis so I just want to pick your brains here, don't jump me haha
I use cotton in micro coils on the IGO. I started with SS in the AGA-T and now I like it. From reading, I've learned that silica wicks don't wick fast enough and Ekowool (also silica) is no better. You can use ceramic wicks, but they are fragile and expensive. People use cotton, but I know how often I have to change these on the IGO and doing this with a tank does not sound user friendly. Cable is still SS so you still have the shorting issues.
I'm happy with SS now and have my system down pretty well. It takes me maybe four minutes to remove the wick, dry burn the coil, wash and clean the wick, put it back in and dry it by dry burning. Making a new wick and installing it takes me about 10 minutes. I don't oxidize the wick with flame, preferring to pulse the shorts out. I never let the wick get red hot. Replacing the coil on an existing wick takes a few minutes.
Works for me and now I know how to setup SS. It took me about ten setups and a bunch of reading and watching videos to get it right for me. I could experiment with hybrid wicks, but I don't feel the need yet.
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If you're going to get an AGA, I suggest an AGI. Being able to not use a tank with a RBA is big plus in my book. A little hard to work with, but all moderately priced RBAs will have their trade-offs.
You could get the RSST and then upgrade its tank to a SS version from KidneyPuncher. Of course after that you'll want the upgraded reduced chamber top cap and silverplated center post (from the same vendor); and by then you've got a $100+ genny on your hands, so you may as well just get yourself a Russian91% or KFL (which are bottom coil tanks, not gennies) or else a Z-atty. All that said, I like the I-Atty because it's cheap and pretty easy to work with, but I'm moving away from glass-tanked gennies on account of my clutzing heavy handedness. Another choice is the Steam Turbine clone (cheap). It is a dual coil genny with tiny wick holes that I find it to be fairly ugly, but it has a steel sheath around the glass tank and a threaded top cap which lines up its stacked (though too small) airholes perfectly for single coil operation. I do use it quite alot despite its ungainly looks and its being too-small-for-ceramic-wicks. It is a well protected little fog machine with a top cap that wont come flying off at the slightest nudge.
I was looking at the steam turbine and the iatty from fasttech. Both use glass tanks which is what I'm looking for. If the iatty is one of the easier genesis tanks I work with I may very well go that route instead of the aga
A 100$ rsst? No thankyou!
Heard awesome things about the kayfun and the Russian but well out of my price range, and I already have a rebuildable bottom coil tank *cough*protank2*cough*
Check out the richman. Its basically an upgraded AGA that is much easier to build. It's ~$40. Not the cheapest, but certainly not the most expensive.
If you want an Aga to be as easy to build as anything else out there, just add a washer to the center post to reduce the top coil span. OK, maybe not as easy as a spring and washer setup, but very easy indeed. Relatively speaking. It's a gennie after all. Takes some trial and error to get the hang of setting one up.
Yeah. I know. I didn't the $50 SS tank upgrade because I don't vape caustic juices, but I got everything else and until the bottom insulator gave up the ghost on me, it was the best atty in my gaggle. Cost me like $65 not including wicks and wire.
The I-Atty is indeed very easy to work on. Big wick hole, big flat terminal screws (making it ideal for ribbon coils), simple design and a better fitting top cap that the RSST but one that isn't too tight like my two AG atties. If you're I-Atty inclined, I'd recommend searching domestic vendors a bit before pulling the Fasttech trigger, the one I just got from them came with a slightly cracked tank. Slight enough to work, but methinks I simply got lucky because they sucked at packing it. I think COV has their version of the I-Atty for ~$20. Not too bad vs. the $10 FT version for speed of delivery and piece of mind.
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WOW that richman is freakin sexy looking! How's it perform? If it's durability and function is as good as its looks I'm sold!
@ Sean Kurz - Performance of the richman is on par with most other gennies. Which means that if you do your part on the wick and coil setup it will produce clouds of thick, flavorful vapor. If you don't do your part, then its not gonna work real well. Best thing about the richman for setup is the larger top nut, reducing the chances of a hot top leg. The chamber is also slightly reduced in size from the AGA, resulting in a slightly warmer, more flavorful vape than the AGA. Other than that, its basically an AGA with much nicer looks.
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