?: Looking for max flavor

[greyhoundrick]

Hello everyone,

Great to be a part of this forum!

Ive been vaping for a few months and currently use a Melo 3 tank with an eLeaf iStick 60w TC mod. I use 50/50 juices with mostly .3 EC coil heads.

I usually am vaping around 18-25 watts with about 25% airflow and am fairly happy with the experience. However, I would be a lot happier if I could get an AIO or simple tank+mod set up which would produce a lot more flavor, even at the cost of less vapor. The flavor is what attracts me to vaping much, much more than cloud production.

I don't really want to get into dripping or building my own coils at this time (but would love to in the future), but I have no problem with using an RBA as long as I can purchase the pre-made coils.

What would you recommend for me? Im not sure if ordering juice with extra flavor is something I should do or what specific AIO or simple mod set up would be ideal for flavor and sure would love to hear from you.

Thank you very much for your time!

best to you all,

Rick

 

[Tonee N]

You could always add more flavoring to your existing liquid.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

 

[BrotherBob]

Hello everyone,
Great to be a part of this forum!
Ive been vaping for a few months and currently use a Melo 3 tank with an eLeaf iStick 60w TC mod. I use 50/50 juices with mostly .3 EC coil heads.
I usually am vaping around 18-25 watts with about 25% airflow and am fairly happy with the experience. However, I would be a lot happier if I could get an AIO or simple tank+mod set up which would produce a lot more flavor, even at the cost of less vapor. The flavor is what attracts me to vaping much, much more than cloud production.
I don't really want to get into dripping or building my own coils at this time (but would love to in the future), but I have no problem with using an RBA as long as I can purchase the pre-made coils.
What would you recommend for me? Im not sure if ordering juice with extra flavor is something I should do or what specific AIO or simple mod set up would be ideal for flavor and sure would love to hear from you.
Rick

You are between a rock and a hard place. Going to DIY, Dripping are not an option. Might try getting out of sub ohm'g. Could try a purchased coil in the non-sub ohm range and vape at lower watts to see if that's an solution. 1.5 - 2.0 ohms if they are available. After you select the non sub ohm coil, by choosing a new e-liquid with higher PG (PG is said to carry flavor better than VG) may do the trick. Sub ohm'g generally requires higher VG/Temperatures, hence the need for higher VG.
By experimenting, you’ll be able to determine your optimal setup, favorite e-liquid brands/flavors, preferred PG/VG ratio, and each of those findings msu make things much better.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Trouble is.. so many rant on about "OMG FLAVOUR!!" over and over, and they do this the moment they switch from device to device (so does that mean that the last device that they screamed about it being so great, wasn't after all???), that one might believe that unless you're having an explosion of overwhelming flavour that should be making you sob as you end up getting yourself up from falling over from the intensity, you are either doing something wrong or "missing out" on something.

Honestly, there's a limit to how much you'll taste something. Throughout all the tanks/RDAs I've had or tried, I find that the difference is limited... But RTAs have usually been consistently better than any factory coil tank I've seen so far.

It's true that some tanks and such are a bit better, but that overall, there's a lot of exaggeration in comments from many.

For adding more flavouring, there's a limit to how much you'd taste, and actually, some flavours mute themselves if you have too much in your liquid, there's a certain balance. Push too hard and you might end up with vapor's tongue and not taste anything at all.. Go really crazy and and you might have trouble tasting food for a while.

To taste your liquids better, you'd be better to switch them around, drink water with lemon in it, switch to flavourless or menthol type, just to get your taste-buds to be "reset" every so often.

At 50/50 you have a good middle ground and as the PG is the flavour carrier, odds are that you would be extremely hard pressed to get anything that would "kick it up a serious notch". As the Melo 3 is a decent middle-ground factory-coil tank, what you can do instead, is look for other coils that might provide you with a better experience.

The Melo 3 is part of the "Atlantis" factory coil design, so you have over a dozen coils to pick through.... from Eleaf ones, Aspire, Vaperasso and others.... (see my blog for more info about this).

To be honest, I found that rebuilding the coils provided a much better experience than any pre-made coil (this guide to rebuilding these coils is also part of my blog), but as you stated, you aren't looking at building, so that would limit your options greatly.

 

[greyhoundrick]

Tonee N, BrotherBob and Imfallen_Angel, thank you so much for the great input! I really appreciate your expertise and will take into account what you have said

Imfallen_Angel, Im interested in your blog and will definitely give it a look and study it! Can you tell me how I find your blog?

Thanks again everyone and my best to all of you!

Rick

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Tonee N, BrotherBob and Imfallen_Angel, thank you so much for the great input! I really appreciate your expertise and will take into account what you have said

Imfallen_Angel, Im interested in your blog and will definitely give it a look and study it! Can you tell me how I find your blog?

Thanks again everyone and my best to all of you!

Rick

Just click on my name and see all the "features" for members in the pop-up...
Imfallen_Angel's blog | E-Cigarette Forum

Glad to have you onboard...

 

[Tonee N]

Just click on my name and see all the "features" for members in the pop-up...
Imfallen_Angel's blog | E-Cigarette Forum

Glad to have you onboard...

And if you need a rewick just go over to Imfallen_angel's house.[emoji2]

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

 

[Tonee N]

Blvk Unicorn FRZAPPLE

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

 

[gandymarsh]

I get the most flavor from Ego One tanks with CLR coils. The first generation are hard to find now but there is a second generation available now.
Joyetech eGo ONE Mega V2 Tank

Joyetech CLR Coils (5 pack)

 

[Smoke_too_much]

?: Looking for max flavor

Aren't we all. It is like looking for the Holy Grail. Big clouds, little clouds, it dosen't matter as the taste hides where it wants to. Just keep in mind it is not the goal that you should look forward to but rather the never ending journey to it that counts. Imafallen_angel gives a great write up on it.

What awaits is the acquisition of many different devices, each one fun to play with as you strive to make it perform to its fullest. All sorts of different juices as you search high and low for the one that you just can't put down. Learning to build and imagining the creation of some fantastic looking and performing coil that no one has yet thought of. Then you finally find your way to the world of DIY and start accumulating flavors until you too can make 8,000 of the 72,000 recipes listed.

And at the end of it all, you are still looking, but at the same time you are not smoking and that is the real point of it all, isn't it?

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

?: Looking for max flavor

Aren't we all. It is like looking for the Holy Grail. Big clouds, little clouds, it dosen't matter as the taste hides where it wants to. Just keep in mind it is not the goal that you should look forward to but rather the never ending journey to it that counts. Imafallen_angel gives a great write up on it.

What awaits is the acquisition of many different devices, each one fun to play with as you strive to make it perform to its fullest. All sorts of different juices as you search high and low for the one that you just can't put down. Learning to build and imagining the creation of some fantastic looking and performing coil that no one has yet thought of. Then you finally find your way to the world of DIY and start accumulating flavors until you too can make 8,000 of the 72,000 recipes listed.

And at the end of it all, you are still looking, but at the same time you are not smoking and that is the real point of it all, isn't it?

Good post, made me giggle like a schoolgirl with the 8,000 recipe thing...

And yup... most of the "serious" or just curious vapers end up with a fair number of tanks and mods, if only to try them, see where the differences lie, the pros, the cons, of each one... same with mods, and the next thing you know, you end up with a dozen of each (and more, sometimes, a LOT more).

For myself, I've found a few things that for me (and my family) appears to be the "top", at least for now... but I go with getting items that are confirmed to be "good" and such, try one, and then compare it to what I already have.

For a few, it's not that I consider them the greatest thing ever, but that they do stand out for many reasons.

The favourite setup at my house is the Wotofo Conqueror tank and the Eleaf TC100W mod. There's a few other things that are close seconds (My wife and daughter love their Wismec Predator for the large screen and feel, but the TC100W kills it in battery life).

For the DIY, well, once you do go down that path and if you have the talent to put flavours together well, you do end up with a huge benefit... 1) so much cheaper than store stuff, 2) no sweetener overload like store stuff usually has, which may be part of the lackluster of flavours issue, 3) personal touch in the flavour where you can adjust to get what you really do enjoy.

At this point,l have my family (wife and daughter) using my DIY, then my niece and her boyfriend, and it all ended up the same... the store stuff taste like chemicals and very poor compared, which was my issue at the time that got me to get into it, I no longer could find any store liquid that tasted right for me, (actually most tasted horrible, terribly chemical-like).

For the OP, I just want to add, some people might go on about you needing a huge multi coil tank and 200W of power to get a better experience... and that's a big nah...

A good coil, done right, at a decent gauge is just fine and can pump out quite a lot of flavour and clouds.

As a reference/example, I stick to SS316L 26 or 28 gauge for my coils, aim for 0.2 to 0.8 OHM in resistance, and my mods are all set at 45W and we just adjust the temperature control accordingly... and this is a very good setting regardless of the tank (RTAs).

That does remind me that for your coils, if you can get into Temp. control (if you aren't already), do so, it does make a good difference in terms of flavour coming out better and balancing it in a "fine-tuning" way.

 

[Smoke_too_much]

Good post, made me giggle like a schoolgirl with the 8,000 recipe thing...

And yup... most of the "serious" or just curious vapers end up with a fair number of tanks and mods, if only to try them, see where the differences lie, the pros, the cons, of each one... same with mods, and the next thing you know, you end up with a dozen of each (and more, sometimes, a LOT more).

For myself, I've found a few things that for me (and my family) appears to be the "top", at least for now... but I go with getting items that are confirmed to be "good" and such, try one, and then compare it to what I already have.

For a few, it's not that I consider them the greatest thing ever, but that they do stand out for many reasons.

The favourite setup at my house is the Wotofo Conqueror tank and the Eleaf TC100W mod. There's a few other things that are close seconds (My wife and daughter love their Wismec Predator for the large screen and feel, but the TC100W kills it in battery life).

For the DIY, well, once you do go down that path and if you have the talent to put flavours together well, you do end up with a huge benefit... 1) so much cheaper than store stuff, 2) no sweetener overload like store stuff usually has, which may be part of the lackluster of flavours issue, 3) personal touch in the flavour where you can adjust to get what you really do enjoy.

At this point,l have my family (wife and daughter) using my DIY, then my niece and her boyfriend, and it all ended up the same... the store stuff taste like chemicals and very poor compared, which was my issue at the time that got me to get into it, I no longer could find any store liquid that tasted right for me, (actually most tasted horrible, terribly chemical-like).

For the OP, I just want to add, some people might go on about you needing a huge multi coil tank and 200W of power to get a better experience... and that's a big nah...

A good coil, done right, at a decent gauge is just fine and can pump out quite a lot of flavour and clouds.

As a reference/example, I stick to SS316L 26 or 28 gauge for my coils, aim for 0.2 to 0.8 OHM in resistance, and my mods are all set at 45W and we just adjust the temperature control accordingly... and this is a very good setting regardless of the tank (RTAs).

That does remind me that for your coils, if you can get into Temp. control (if you aren't already), do so, it does make a good difference in terms of flavour coming out better and balancing it in a "fine-tuning" way.

We have similar tastes. I use SS 316L too but usually 24 gauge because the thinner wires deform too easily for me. I aim for .2 to .4 and usually vape around 40 watts. I also tend to like the smaller single battery mods with 60 to 70 watts max. I have bigger ones but they just don't get used nearly as much.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

We have similar tastes. I use SS 316L too but usually 24 gauge because the thinner wires deform too easily for me. I aim for .2 to .4 and usually vape around 40 watts. I also tend to like the smaller single battery mods with 60 to 70 watts max. I have bigger ones but they just don't get used nearly as much.

I have 24G, it's ok, but found that it didn't give the same output for flavour as 26G.

I never vape over 70W and that's with my RDAs and only when I go "cloud happy" for the heck of it... but normal is always 45-50W max.

For the single battery mods, I just found that having to switch the battery about 4 times a day too annoying... I can do a full day (or close to it) with my duals, and after getting used to their slightly larger size, I now find the smaller mods just too light and tiny to be as comfortable in hand.

I'm puzzled to the "deform too easily" thing.... 24G is as thick as I'll ever go, but never really had issues with either 28 or 26G... and with SS, if you fired them during the build phase, the metal does stiffen up a bit. But then, if it's during the wicking that's giving you issues, you're maybe using just too much wick... ? Wicking shouldn't ever deform your coils. If during the install on the deck, I always have my pin/jig in the coil to hold it when I screw the legs in.

 

[Smoke_too_much]

I sometimes mush the coil when pulling the old rayon out and even sometimes when trying to get it through the coil. I find 24G gives just the right ohms when you do 3 wraps at 2.5mm you get about 0.2 ohms and 4 wraps takes you to 0.3 ohms which is the range I'm shooting for anyway.

Since I've almost always have 3 or 4 vapes with me because of wanting different flavors changing batteries only happens once a day.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I sometimes mush the coil when pulling the old rayon out and even sometimes when trying to get it through the coil. I find 24G gives just the right ohms when you do 3 wraps at 2.5mm you get about 0.2 ohms and 4 wraps takes you to 0.3 ohms which is the range I'm shooting for anyway.

Since I've almost always have 3 or 4 vapes with me because of wanting different flavors changing batteries only happens once a day.

ah... well at least I know why you've had such trouble with TC .... 3-4 wraps @ 2.5mm aren't going to provide enough wire to be registering well.

 

[FloGrown]

I'm with you, I prefer flavor over vapor and have been on a mad googling quest for the last week trying to find the best suggestions for us "flavor-chasers". I wanted simplicity, flavor, and the least tank maint possible. The highest recommendations and reviews that I found are Aspire tanks. I have a Nautilus X on order (there's a nifty little TINY box kit that you can get w/ it if you like those - NX30) Aspire has always been rated well for flavor, and just so happens that your tank (Melo 3 right?) takes the Nautilus coils- orig, not minis. I'd suggest picking up a couple of those coils and try it out; if you like it then maybe look into some of their tanks. I have only had 4-5 misc tanks on and off and HATE my most recent due to no flavor after a few hits (joyetech aio-DONT DO IT LOL). The Smok spirals are supposed to have good flavor (tried a smok of someone's and it did have amazing flavor; horrible leaking issues though but that tanks known for it -baby beast tank) great flavor tho, may get spirals tank later to try and see about leaking and flavor on it, but for now trying Aspire. (Which btw, Aspire does have an all in one, but after the experience I had w/ the aio I have I pref to have something I can adjust the wattage to help tweak for flavor) Sorry so long, but hope this has some actual suggestions that may help. (I know your pain lol, I like light tobacco flavors that have a sweet taste & have found I have to have a good tank to taste any of the yummy sweetness-otherwise just faint tobacco-no good lol) You can also check out the tootle-puffers forum-great suggestions from the flavor gurus over there Good luck!

Ps-try VaporBeast or VaporDNA if looking for equip, there's discount codes online and have good ratings and Lots of options

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I'm with you, I prefer flavor over vapor and have been on a mad googling quest for the last week trying to find the best suggestions for us "flavor-chasers". I wanted simplicity, flavor, and the least tank maint possible. The highest recommendations and reviews that I found are Aspire tanks. I have a Nautilus X on order (there's a nifty little TINY box kit that you can get w/ it if you like those - NX30) Aspire has always been rated well for flavor, and just so happens that your tank (Melo 3 right?) takes the Nautilus coils- orig, not minis. I'd suggest picking up a couple of those coils and try it out; if you like it then maybe look into some of their tanks. I have only had 4-5 misc tanks on and off and HATE my most recent due to no flavor after a few hits (joyetech aio-DONT DO IT LOL). The Smok spirals are supposed to have good flavor (tried a smok of someone's and it did have amazing flavor; horrible leaking issues though but that tanks known for it -baby beast tank) great flavor tho, may get spirals tank later to try and see about leaking and flavor on it, but for now trying Aspire. (Which btw, Aspire does have an all in one, but after the experience I had w/ the aio I have I pref to have something I can adjust the wattage to help tweak for flavor) Sorry so long, but hope this has some actual suggestions that may help. (I know your pain lol, I like light tobacco flavors that have a sweet taste & have found I have to have a good tank to taste any of the yummy sweetness-otherwise just faint tobacco-no good lol) You can also check out the tootle-puffers forum-great suggestions from the flavor gurus over there Good luck!

Ps-try VaporBeast or VaporDNA if looking for equip, there's discount codes online and have good ratings and Lots of options

Just FIY.. the Nautilus coils do NOT fit the Melo, that would be the Triton coils (that are the same as the Atlantis, etc.)

And while the Nautilus X has had decent reviews, I know the original Nautilus (and the mini) as we've had them for a long time (due to recommendations from the store) and I found those horrible little tanks, impossible to open, and their coils ended up having serious health issue using silica that would be brittle and could be inhaled, and the whole "flavour thing"... I was not impressed at all with them, I found the Kanger Aerotank II to be vastly superior (at the time).

As far as tanks goes, the factory coils type will always be a crapshot as they do have a lot of duds and build quality isn't always consistent.

Right now, the oversized multi-coils ones (big cloudzzzz) are the "popular" ones but the price of liquid usage is high on those.

 

[FloGrown]

I stand corrected; looked at the page I had tabbed and Imfallen is correct on it being Atlantis/Triton coil family. My bad, didn't intend any misinformation on that. HOWEVER, everyone's taste and pref is different and just making suggestions that DONT include building your own coils and was recommended by others both on here and elsewhere. And while Imfallen may not like a particular tank, many other people do. @Imfallen_Angel - So sorry to have made an accidental clerical error, just a thought though-maybe not every single person wants to build their coils and wants something simple. But again, that's just my opinion, I'll try to keep those to myself to avoid further persecution.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I stand corrected; looked at the page I had tabbed and Imfallen is correct on it being Atlantis/Triton coil family. My bad, didn't intend any misinformation on that. HOWEVER, everyone's taste and pref is different and just making suggestions that DONT include building your own coils and was recommended by others both on here and elsewhere. And while Imfallen may not like a particular tank, many other people do. @Imfallen_Angel - So sorry to have made an accidental clerical error, just a thought though-maybe not every single person wants to build their coils and wants something simple. But again, that's just my opinion, I'll try to keep those to myself to avoid further persecution.

No need to take it personally, nor make it personal here, I only corrected you because I wanted to prevent confusion.

Odd that you blast my opinion but value yours as "right".

If you actually read my other posts, I stated a few things, opened the door about what to look for, made some suggestions.

I didn't press building, I only stated that when one doesn't build, it limits their options. There's many choices out now and more coming out for factory cartridge coils, but in terms of which one can deliver a "better" performance is a completely personal choice.

I could easily state that RTAs are the best way to go for flavour and would have thousands of people supporting this view, but I know that it's not for everyone.

My view on cartridge coils are that some models are short lived, limited stock and that could create a problem obtaining replacement down the road. Some might end up being poorly produced, and overall many are over-priced, and many end up wasted due to over-sweetened liquids that clog them easily. Yes, they are simple to switch, but they have more cons than pros, and that's just a reality.

So anyways... Sorry to have offended you so deeply that you had to turn it into some sort of personal attack.

 

[go_player]

Then you finally find your way to the world of DIY and start accumulating flavors until you too can make 8,000 of the 72,000 recipes listed.

A recent sad realization of mine was that, despite having something like 150 flavors, I can make only a small percentage of the public recipes on alltheflavors (I fare a bit better on that other site.) They are a bunch of hipsters over there though, so maybe that's not that all that surprising. Well, you know, just _one more order_ and I'll be all fixed up, right? And I'm sure I'll find some other use for CAP Smelly Sneakers (flavor notes: like it says on the bottle, and a bit niche, but it works perfectly in this recipe because of the way it pairs with FW Jock Strap and FA Wedgie. This flavor isn't for everyone, and is best at <0.5%, but used appropriately it tastes of nostalgia and longing. And Fungus, above about 0.75%.)

I swear, if these recipe database sites aren't getting some serious kickbacks from the flavor companies they are bad at business. Recipes lead to greed... greed leads to flavor lust... flavor lust leads to credit card expenditures.