looking for some advice

[bennie7767]

90.00 a year is only 7.50 a month...guessing that's much cheaper than a pack or two of cigarettes.

$90 is allot when i dont even know if i will like it
its not much cheaper then smoking considering pre mixed juices cost around $50 shipped for 60ml bottle plus cost of coils like $10 each week on them . if anything it cost less to smoke tobacco considering a pouch only cost $60
i guess the idea is to quit smoking by going broke lol

 

[Territoo]

If you venture into DIY, it's a lot cheaper, once you get past the initial outlay for supplies and equipment.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

well i can just order with out a prescription as the people selling are not requesting proof.

I have no doubt that you may have to go this route, but be careful who you buy from.

 

[bennie7767]

its not actually the cost i care about . its more the greed and how hard they are trying to prevent people for try it before you invest in to it for long turm .

by the looks DIY isnt viable if base nic goes bad after 14 days of exposing it to oxygen. although im not 100% sure thats true . its just what i read on google

if its something i like and its going to get me off them disgusting tobbacoo sticks then id happly pay 3x the asking price ..but dont tell them that lol greedy buggers probably would charge it

 

[englishmick]

Don't worry about the nic. If you stick it in the freezer it will last indefinitely. I have some that's from 2014 and good as new. There's no shortage of bad information out there.

The other stuff, it's going on all over the world. The corporations pay the politicians to do whatever increases their profits, in this case making it as hard as possible to vape. The UK seems to be a rare exception. And maybe NZ.

 

[bennie7767]

Don't worry about the nic. If you stick it in the freezer it will last indefinitely. I have some that's from 2014 and good as new. There's no shortage of bad information out there.

The other stuff, it's going on all over the world. The corporations pay the politicians to do whatever increases their profits, in this case making it as hard as possible to vape. The UK seems to be a rare exception. And maybe NZ.

the cost of un mixed juice eg no nic just flavous like $20 for 100ml and with nic its like $50 for 60 ml crazy pricing . considering i could get 100ml or 10% nic salt in pg for $50 and would be enough nic for the rest of the year if it dont expire . i see no reason not to try it . but if it did expire in 14 day of opaning then . it be a waste . google does have allot of conflicting infomation

 

[Letitia]

the cost of un mixed juice eg no nic just flavous like $20 for 100ml and with nic its like $50 for 60 ml crazy pricing . considering i could get 100ml or 10% nic salt in pg for $50 and would be enough nic for the rest of the year if it dont expire . i see no reason not to try it . but if it did expire in 14 day of opaning then . it be a waste . google does have allot of conflicting infomation

Maybe listen to the people who have actually been storing nic successfully for years. There are some excellent threads here discussing storing nic.

 

[Territoo]

the cost of un mixed juice eg no nic just flavous like $20 for 100ml and with nic its like $50 for 60 ml crazy pricing . considering i could get 100ml or 10% nic salt in pg for $50 and would be enough nic for the rest of the year if it dont expire . i see no reason not to try it . but if it did expire in 14 day of opaning then . it be a waste . google does have allot of conflicting infomation

Maybe your thinking of oxidation of nicotine when left at room temperature. Nicotine will usually become a yellow color if you do that, but it doesn’t affect the nicotine itself. Still, it's best to store it in colored (amber, blue, or green) glass bottles in the freezer.

 

[bennie7767]

Maybe listen to the people who have actually been storing nic successfully for years. There are some excellent threads here discussing storing nic.

i agree ..thats why i joined here . would rather here from people with experience

 

[Bliss Doubt]

im not trying to quit the tobbacco cold turky but do need to quit sooner the better.

Ben, I sometimes wonder if I should say anymore than one comment, but I always want people to succeed in learning to vape successfully so they can quit cigarettes successfully.

You may have changed your routine since I encountered your first post, but if you are still vaping zero nic, I do not feel it is a bridge to quitting cigarettes. Nicotine is an addiction with an iron grip. Nicotine from vaping hits differently than nicotine from cigarettes but it does hit, and our bodies and minds have to learn to trust the nic boost we get from vaping before we're really willing to separate ourselves from cigarettes.

Many in this forum have reported this. Some people start vaping nic and quit cigarettes the same day, but I believe they are a small minority. Many of us learned to vape while continuing to reassure ourselves we could fall back and have a cigarette, just knowing we were on a learning curve. We learned to love vaping before we could say "this is it, I'm ready to quit cigarettes".

I'm pulling for your success, and wishing you a joyful journey of discovery.

 

[Falconeer]

When I started vaping, after some 50 plus years of smoking I picked up two good pieces of advice.

The first was - don't waste your time chasing after the "best" piece of kit, learn to get the best out of the kit you have!

The second was - always have a back up for your backup!

I'd also add I very much agree with what Bilss Doubt wrote regarding nicotine. As they used to say in the Smoking Cessation Groups - You smoke to get nicotine but it's the Smoke that kills you NOT the Nicotine.

All best wishes and success to you.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

The ONLY reason that I suggested not vaping and smoking at the same time was getting a bit dizzy or sick to your stomach from having too much nicotine in your system. But if you are vaping zero nic, that is not an issue.

Even with nicotine based vapes it may take you some time to switch over to 100% vaping, I understand that.

 

[tj99959]

I'm just an old guy, so what do I know.
BTW, welcome to ecf Ben.

First off, I would question the equipment you are using.
Seems to me that you would want to be using around a 2.0 ohm coil for starting out with MTL vaping.
And, then probably just 7-8 watts for starting out.

Right now you are using DL equipment to do MTL vaping, and it just doesn't work out well.
(besides being expensive)
For example, I only use about 3ml of juice/day.
Being as I also DIY, that means that I spend virtually nothing to vape. (actually that comes out to 18 cents/day)
I mix @ 12mg/ml in 50/50 pg/vg, and MTL with a 1.8 ohm coil in a RDA (A7) @ 8-7 watts depending on battery voltage.
(mechanical mod) BTW, that mechanical mod is now about 11 years old.
So how much do you think it cost over time.

So think about it. Venders want you to buy equipment that keeps you coming back. (and spending money) The sooner you get out of that loop .... the sooner you can enjoy the savings that vaping offers.
Like I said before, I'm only a couple of months away from being 82 years old, and wrap my own coils & DIY my own juice. So if I can do it, surly you can learn to do it also.
So good luck, and most of all enjoy ..... it's a good ride.

 

[Falconeer]

There's mileage in what tj99959 says too - he's Vaping more or less like me - higher nic, lower power, and MTL style.

Our kit's different but our vaping style's similar.

I use old style iStick 30ws with built in batteries ( mine lasted for seven years before I had to replace them ) and original Nautilius Mini tanks with ready made coils; I get six to 8 weeks out of each coil. I buy in clear, 50/50 VG/PG ,16 strength, menthol liquid which I can get cheaply in bulk from a legit UK maker direct and use about 4 mils a day. I vape at 8 watts.

It could be worth looking at a lower power MTL outfit using higher nic eliquid, though of course where you are, you'd likely need your prescription and have to make your own - but that really is pretty simple.

Fashions change. folk now seem to prefer low nic high power rigs which is why I didn't even consider recommending the old style to you - but it can work, says the 73 year old reprobate who smoked for over 50 years, took up vaping seven and a half years ago and who has never even considerd a return to smoking since.

 

[bennie7767]

well i just ordered 100mg 10% Nicotine in a 100% propylene glycol base and a few different flavours of jucies 50/50 no nic. i will see if it shows up lol im pretty sure it will.

if the chart im looking at is correct . adding 1ml of nic to 30ml of juce would make it about 3 millagrans or just over .
that might be too low of a strengh but im thinking better to start low and if i need more ajust over time.

i am probably going to look at a mlt and just keep the device i have for no nic vaping but will be trying nic in this device first before deciding if i buy a different one more sutiable for high nic and less puffs .
8 weeks out of 1 coil is definitely a good reason to get a new one.
im sure the coils im have would last allot longer if i dont chain vape and used it correctly.

if i keep having the same feeling from this batch of juce then i will start looking more in the being allergic to vg or pg but from what im reading . id already know if i was as then two products are used in allot of things i already consume and dont have any reactions etc

i will find out next week once this batch of stuff arrives

 

[tj99959]

Good for you! Keep trying is the key to sucess.
Now, to give you a starter, here is how I mix. (KISS method)
I use a 2 cup Pirex measuring cup, and a Kerr pint canning jar (blue in color)
50ml of 100mg nic/pg
150ml of pg
200ml of vg
--------------------
400ml of 50/50 @ 12mg (+ a tiney bit)

Now that nic base will last me about 4 months
When I need it, I will then add 1ml of flavoring to a 30ml bottle of the nic base.
Since I only mix for myself, absolute accuracy simply is not an issue.
Close enough is good enough.

 

[bennie7767]

Good for you! Keep trying is the key to sucess.
Now, to give you a starter, here is how I mix. (KISS method)
I use a 2 cup Pirex measuring cup, and a Kerr pint canning jar (blue in color)
50ml of 100mg nic/pg
150ml of pg
200ml of vg
--------------------
400ml of 50/50 @ 12mg (+ a tiney bit)

Now that nic base will last me about 4 months
When I need it, I will then add 1ml of flavoring to a 30ml bottle of the nic base.
Since I only mix for myself, absolute accuracy simply is not an issue.
Close enough is good enough.

sound easy enough to me . i will go down that route in the future.

for now i will just buy pre flavoured jucies and add nic to that . probably easier to find what flovours i like doing it like that .
im not sure if i like a 50/50 mix or if i will perfer more pg then vg . i feel like 50/50 might be abit thick but im guessing it will all depend on the coils and device to what is better etc

im probably going to get a mtl called waenas H1. it uses a 1.4ohm coil and does 8-10 watts it also takes a 0.7ohm coil that does 16-19 watts but i wont be buying them coils just the 1.4ohm coils

i think i should have bought something like that to start with lol live and lern i guess

 

[Falconeer]

Actually 50/50 is a thinner mix. Some folk find too much VG makes you "chesty."

When I mixed my own unflavoured mix ( which actually tastes kinda like British Virginia cigarette tobacco ) it worked just fine but even then I diluted the VG with 10% water to thin it our a bit.

Some folk thought this was too much water and it'd cause all kinds of problems - it never did.

 

[bennie7767]

i deceided to apply for a prescription . took about 30 seconds on the phone and was able to have it covered by medicare so zero cost for me sorry tax payers haha.

the place was called swiftdoc . they give you like a QR code
much better then me having to pay $90 for it and i still doubt customs would even look at the product and request a coppie. still better to be safe them sorry i guess.

anyone in australia should probably use them instad of paying more for someone else
but that makes be beleve its 100% just a money grab and has nothing to do with regulating the product or helping people quit.

if you're over 18 you should be allowed to buy it with just a ID check . no cost included if they really wanted people to quit.

i had to rant on that because i find it to be a joke lol .

 

[bennie7767]

well looks like im allergic to vegetable glycerin . hopfully i can build tolerence to it
side effects to VG according to google
mild headache
nausea
dizziness
vomiting
thirst
........
exacly what i experience . not vomiting or ....ting my self so i guess that too bad hahaha meh