Looking to get a rebuildable, have no idea what i am doing.

[Justin Proctor]

Now been vaping for near 7 months. Havnt been around the forums as i have been pretty satisfied with my set up and havnt had any questions

Have a few mods, make my own liquid. Costs me buttons compared to what it was costing me on day one. However the one expense i feel i could cut back on are tanks. Atm i am using 1 a week. Which is costing me about £1.50. (Only discovered fasttech did the heads for my tank a few days ago )

I feel using rebuildables would be so much simpler. From what i have seen i would instead just have 1 rebuildable some cotton and some kanthal wire if i was to go the rebuildable route. Would also be one less thing i have to order as i am assumning the cotton and wire lasts for ages.

My question is which rebuildable to get. I am planning on getting it from fast tech as i am only in part time work and cant afford to be spending to much.

REVIEW - TUTORIAL OF THE PATRIOT UFS ATOMISER FOR ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES - YouTube

Something like in the above video is what i would be after. Never had adjustable airflow before but there are times when i would like an airy draw and my Itaste 16's just dont seem to cooperate The method used to reconnect the coil also looks much simpler in the above video than any others i have seen. Admittidly i havnt seen many so this could be the default option for all i know. Also a requirment is that it would have to look good. I have a VAMO so i assume that i wont need to get a resistance checker doofer ?

Any help or comments would be appreciated. I feel i have tried everything else in the vaping world apart from rebuildables and making my own mod....But that is on the backburner for now.

 

[Sickkboy]

If you want to get one from fasttech, I suggest a trident clone, it's and RDA, 2 adjustable air intake and you can close 1 hole if you want to, easy to build both single and dual coils IMO. But if you want to go with a tank I guess kayfun or fogger would be nice, kayfun have and adjustable air intake though, which fogger don't have I believe.

 

[Myrany]

How To Make A Perfect Micro Coil With The Darkzero Coil Jig - YouTube

you do not HAVE to have the coil jig. I just wrap around a 14 gauge blunt needle.

BEFORE YOU START. Learn to use a multimeter or get an ohms meter for atomizers. You absolutely need ot be sure you have no shorts and what your resistance of the build is BEFORE you fire it. ALSO do your homework on batterys. Not all batterys can handle all resistances and errors can be explosive.

 

[Dakota Jim]

I personally have tried the AGA-T+ genesis style RBT and finally gave up on it (I had a huge rant on this yesterday)

I now rebuild the heads for my Protanks which is very simple - I use the machine screw method with a 3/48 screw with 32g Kanthal A1 wire and silica (organic cotton will work also but I don't like the taste of it - I pretorch my silica wick) 5 turns gives me about 1.9-2 ohm heads

I also have the Vamo as my main device (have 2 actually) which works perfectly for checking ohms and for shorts
I also have an assortment of egos (reg, vv and pass thru) stick cigalikes etc

 

[SissySpike]

If you want a tank for everyday use A kayfun or Ithaka are great. A RDA is a good thing for home use I think the IGO W is a great low price RDA. You are correct in thinking you will over come the upfront cost of rebuildable tanks and attys. I would suggest buying the best you can afford. Then your delivery system will last you years to come.

I have been uesing the same set up in my Ithaka for 3 months now,

 

[Myrany]

If you want a tank for everyday use A kayfun or Ithaka are great. A RDA is a good thing for home use I think the IGO W is a great low price RDA. You are correct in thinking you will over come the upfront cost of rebuildable tanks and attys. I would suggest buying the best you can afford. Then your delivery system will last you years to come.

I have been uesing the same set up in my Ithaka for 3 months now,

I have 2 of the fasttech IGO-Ls and they are marvelous to start with.

 

[Justin Proctor]

Was just looking up the IGO-L and one thing i should mention is i am really after a tank system rather than a dripping atomiser. The reason being is i tend not to have time to drip when i am using. I tend to play PC games alot and it may seem silly but in an FPS you dont have time to drip I pick it up once every 2 minutes or so. Take a couple long drags and its back down

Think i may be sold on the Ithaka. It is quite expencive at £22/$35.22 but it looks like it would suit me down to the ground. Watching a 30 min review of it atm. Afterward i will probobly get it

 

[Myrany]

Was just looking up the IGO-L and one thing i should mention is i am really after a tank system rather than a dripping atomiser. The reason being is i tend not to have time to drip when i am using. I tend to play PC games alot and it may seem silly but in an FPS you dont have time to drip I pick it up once every 2 minutes or so. Take a couple long drags and its back down

Think i may be sold on the Ithaka. It is quite expencive at £22/$35.22 but it looks like it would suit me down to the ground. Watching a 30 min review of it atm. Afterward i will probobly get it

I drip and game (looks at forum avatar). THe way I have my IGO-L setup I can drip about 12 drops at one time and vape for 20 minutes without dripping again.

Look at one of the Kayfun Lites or the Kayfun clones. I am hearing they are much more foolproof and much less fiddly than a genesis style. And you do not have to worry about keeping them upright to prevent leaks.

 

[Justin Proctor]

Myrany i am obviously a more hardcore gamer ^^

 

[JulesXsmokr]

Hey Justin
I would get a Youde Igo-w to start with, they are only 13 - 15 bucks and a solid buy, I believe you need to play with that first, make different coils, do different wicking arrangements, play with airflow by drilling a different hole and so forth. It'll give you the utmost in flavor and clouds..
A first RBA w/tank would be a SMOKtec "RSST" - they are only 20 bucks for another solid newb friendly and very worthy RBA.
After you master those 2 inexpensive rba's. - the rest are just your pocketbook away.
One place to buy, if they ship your way is Trianglevapes.com - good vender..
Good Luck - you will like RDA's --

 

[Myrany]

Myrany i am obviously a more hardcore gamer ^^

matter of opinion my friend

I might just be more coordinated to vape and play

 

[retired1]

A first RBA w/tank would be a SMOKtec "RSST" - they are only 20 bucks for another solid newb friendly and very worthy RBA.

I second this. The RSST is very "noob friendly" for starting out on rebuildables. My only beef with it is the plastic tank, so you do have to be careful with the juices that you use in it.

Once you're comfortable with the RSST and rebuilding coils on it, then start looking at the fancier models like the Kayfun or Russian.

 

[Justin Proctor]

I appreciate people saying i should go for a cheap rebuildable but frankly if i am going to start off in rebuilding i would prefer to jump into the deep end, as i did when i started vaping.... 1 week into vaping i switched from ciglikes to ego's. Few weeks later switched to mods. Few weeks after that starting DIYing liquid. Few weeks after that second mod. I have had a long dry spell with nothing new or exciting and seeing as vaping is one of my only hobbies i really want to get elbow deep and go for it!

The only thing that is stopping me from buying the ithaka this second is the 2 different resistance wires which i am not fond of. I am sure a day or 2 of botched coils and maybe a few temper tantrums and i will be past the learning curve, but still :S

Also i really like the way it breaks down into little pieces. I don't know why but for some reason the complexity of it interests me

 

[Ryedan]

My question is which rebuildable to get. I am planning on getting it from fast tech as i am only in part time work and cant afford to be spending to much.

REVIEW - TUTORIAL OF THE PATRIOT UFS ATOMISER FOR ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES - YouTube

Something like in the above video is what i would be after. Never had adjustable airflow before but there are times when i would like an airy draw and my Itaste 16's just dont seem to cooperate The method used to reconnect the coil also looks much simpler in the above video than any others i have seen. Admittidly i havnt seen many so this could be the default option for all i know. Also a requirment is that it would have to look good. I have a VAMO so i assume that i wont need to get a resistance checker doofer ?

Justin, it's the first time I've seen that RBA, so I know nothing about it. I use a AGA-T with stainless steel wicks and love it. Setting up SS well does take some time to learn though and it's not as economical as cotton. Now, Genisis RBA's can be setup using cotton like this. I've never tried it on my AGA-T, but I know how well cotton wicks from using it in IGO drippers and it makes sense to me that this setup would be very good. It would however leak if put on it's side, so may not work for you.

I have heard very god things about the Kayfun RBA's. I have a Rocket Kayfun clone on order from Fasttech for the whopping cost of $13. It's cheap and uses plated parts, but I've heard from a couple of people on ECF that I trust that they work very well. These can be setup with cotton, have airflow control and do not leak. Google for reviews and you'll get an idea of what they are all about.

On the airflow control, IMO the deal here is not so much about simply having the option of changing the draw for it's own sake as for being able to modify it so the setup you make works well. The lower the resistance of your coils, the more airflow you will generally want. There will of course be a range of airflow that will be acceptable.

Hope this helps and have fun with whatever you decide to get

 

[Justin Proctor]

Thanks to everyone for the info. Will check back tomarro and properly read through this thread. Its 4 in the morning here and dont want to get into another review spree at this time

Cheers.

 

[Ryedan]

I appreciate people saying i should go for a cheap rebuildable but frankly if i am going to start off in rebuilding i would prefer to jump into the deep end, as i did when i started vaping....

Now, you did say you wanted economy. And you can't have just one of these you know

 

[Justin Proctor]

True true. Watching some reviews of the AGA-T and the RSST atm. Really like the ithaka but from watching some amatures trying to recoil it, it does seem to be to far above me. I understand how it all works but the amount of areas that can produce a short is worrying me a little. Have got an order sitting for 1000ml of juice atm and i am down to my last 300ml so i have to pick one of these soon and get everything ordered ( I dont like to run out )

What is the easiest stuff to recoil with. What gauge kanthal wire and should i go for silicia or cotton. Don't want to go near mesh yet

Edit - Should have mentioned the wire and cotton/silicia will be used on the RSST and the IGO-L. Giving dripping a go as i have heard so much praise about it.

 

[penrow]

I go L i use 28 ga kathnal with cotton wick single micro coil, use this as a guide
Micro Coil On A Trident RDA - YouTube

 

[Ryedan]

What is the easiest stuff to recoil with. What gauge kanthal wire and should i go for silicia or cotton. Don't want to go near mesh yet

Edit - Should have mentioned the wire and cotton/silicia will be used on the RSST and the IGO-L. Giving dripping a go as i have heard so much praise about it.

IMO, the thicker wires (lower gauge numbers) are the easier to use because they are stiffer and so hold their form better for re-wicking. I also find them easier to handle shorts with when using SS mesh. I suggest you stay at or below 30 AWG.

The other consideration is what resistance you want to set up at. Here's a thread on different micro coils (typically 8 - 12 coils wrapped on 1.5 mm drill bit or some other form and using cotton) and the resistances observed. The coil tails add resistance, so there is some variation from that too.

From the first post there:

"wire: 28g Kanthal A1
size (ID): 1/16" drill bit
# wraps: 12
resistance: 2.1Ω

Wire Type & Gauge: 28g kanthal
Coil size (what you wrap it on): 1/16" drill bit
Number of Coils: 11
Measured Ohms of coil: 1.5 ohm

28 ga
8 wraps
1/16" drill bit
1.0 ohm"

I'm not sure but I believe the Vamo will fire down to about 1.2 ohms, so I would aim for about 1.5 ohms myself. I would chose either 30 or 28 gauge wire to start with.

If you want to use silica the same gauge wires will get you in the ballpark 1.5 - 2.5 ohms with fewer wraps.