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Looks like the Obese are gaining ground against The Blueprint

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  1. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jul 23, 2009
    Green Lane, Pa
    I've always thought that obesity was the next victim of the oppressors that believe in controlling the population thru their vision of the world. Not so fast-

    Not only will obesity bypass the abuse that nicotine users face, they'll be accommodated if this moves from the EU to the US.
  2. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    the federal government already treats obesity as a disability.
    i don't know to what extent but it does.
  3. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
  4. JustMeB

    JustMeB Senior Member

    Dec 1, 2014
    Agreed, look at all the handicapped license plates they give out, to people that "need" it because they are so overweight their joints hurt and they can't walk far. Or the use of electronic sit down carts in stores for the same people. Not much incentive for them to do anything about their issues either with these types of accomodations they get.
  5. Tonythefiddler

    Tonythefiddler Senior Member

    Jul 23, 2014
    Minneapolis, MN, USA
    What's this have to do with e-cigs? Sounds like a completely different subject, from a very conservative point of view. Not everyone here shares that sentiment..... Maybe try a republicans forum? And I agree to an extent, but why not provide them with bigger chairs, and easier access? Sure it's generally a choice to keep eating a lot that makes them fat (aside from actual heath conditions), but many are just as good, maybe better (and maybe worse) workers than anyone else, why should they have to suffer? Typical for a conservative blog to judge and demonize a group, just like the ANTZ do to us.

    PS it's not about controlling the population, it's about keeping the companies that already control us in check.
  6. klynnn

    klynnn Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Mar 20, 2012
    This is not a Republican/Democrat issue just like everything else including ecigs they are two sides of the same coin. The issue is control control control of the masses in any way possible. In case you haven't noticed the name of the game is thousands of new regs by the current controllers in charge. I think they call it job security.
  7. Jman8

    Jman8 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 15, 2013
    Perhaps you missed this first sentence in the OP:

    My take: people are addicted to food, and/or food is clearly addictive. And around this point a split occurs within the populace regarding critical thinking of the perceived problem. Some say it is partially to mostly up to the individual to control their issues around obesity, and that a combination of private enterprise and reasonable government intervention can effectively deal with this perceived problem. Once individuals are clearly seen as #1 factor in creating individually obese people, then the solutions will be far easier to implement for this targeted group. Others say, the individual is not responsible, but companies are mostly to entirely responsible for making these products, when they know food is addictive, and thus creating obesity within our society. The individual is a victim of this perceived problem. Obesity is a societal problem and government intervention that seeks to regulate all companies that care to weigh in on this issue must be strictly controlled and managed. Once companies are clearly seen as the #1 factor creating individually obese people, then the solutions (ever increasing regulations among companies) will be far easier to implement for the target group. But the target group here is not really clear. On the one hand, we will always say "won't anyone think of how this company's policy / decisions will impact the obese individual (aka victim)?" But the reality is that the company must always be seen as the target group that is causing all the problems, and government intervention is best chance to achieving a solution. The individual is, in reality, a pawn within the game being played and any sense of responsibility, accountability, or dare I say blame, must never ever be attributed to them. The company is clearly the bad guy in this public health situation.

    I do think that most critical thinkers on both (or all) sides of the eCig/nicotine debate don't see individuals as entirely lacking responsibility. I also don't think these same critical thinkers see government as the entire solution to the problem. Those that say only one side sees government as solution are playing partisan politics.

    HOWEVER, when it comes to explaining the (perceived) problem and solution to that stated problem, I do think the general populace would prefer it to be the less work from them, the better, and if government says they can regulate the bad guy to be far less bad, then that will work for a majority. I can, rather easily name side issues where Pubs think government intervention is absolutely necessary to regulate bad people and point to eCig debate as decent example where Dems think government intervention is absolutely necessary to regulate bad people (or companies).

    Obesity as a disability is fairly significant news. Everyone needs food to survive (on this planet) and so if that is an addiction (arguably it is), then the medical model is likely to be conveyed as most viable solution. There are many people amongst the vaping enthusiasts that wish for vaping to be treated only as a medical type issue, and that until vaping is studied thoroughly, over the long term, all those vapers who say they just want to give up smoking, ought to be treated by trained medical professionals. They will thank the medical community when they've overcome their addiction to nicotine, and the need for shiny new toys.
  8. caramel

    caramel Vaping Master

    Dec 23, 2014
    Well one may argue that if addiction to food is a disability then addiction to nicotine should be viewed in a similar way. And legislation should be passed to enusre that these addicts are not discriminated in any way and, in addition, be accomodated everywhere. :p
  9. amoret

    amoret Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Oct 2, 2013
    Sharon, ND, USA
    Or, just as likely, people who have disabilities that limit their activity are likely to have a very hard time not gaining weight.
  10. eyerhere

    eyerhere Super Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 7, 2013
    Warren Mi
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