Lorann's Flavors: Are All Lemon?

[misterME]

I'm trying to get into the DIY liquid thing, since a possible ban has me paranoid. I've stocked up on TW's 54mg nic juice, and bought some Lorann's flavors to start getting accustomed to making my own.

I ordered five flavors: Keoke Coffee, Ameretto, Chocolate Hazelnut, Chocolate, and Brandy.

While I can pick out the intended flavor in each of these, I'm getting a lemony flavor from each that overpowers the actual intended flavor. Add to that the fact that I hate lemon, and I'm actually getting quite frustrated.

I've tried several mixing containers, as well as different atty's, carts, and even direct dripping, but I get the stupid lemon flavor consistently.

Any advice? Has anyone else even ran into this issue?

 

[KonaNeil]

I have all the flavors you mention except for amaretto. I don't get a lemon taste from any.

Citric acid is often used as a preservitive. Could they have overdone it? Maybe yours are really old? Can you talk with your vendor?

 

[rave]

My sense of taste hasn't fully returned yet, so I don't detect what you have been - but I've heard of the problem. Here's a possible solution which is available at:

Flavourart Express shop

Under "Sweet Flavors" category
　
AAA Magig Mask

NEW !! Reduce the acid perception without modifying the pH.
pH is one of the key factors involved in food stability. In order to reduce the pH, a small amount of organic acid must be added to the food preparation (i.e. citric, malic, tartaric acid). In most cases the addition of food acid is beneficial both for microbiological stability and taste ( just think to an lemon or cola drink, they must be acid to be good ).
However, some other foods might require food acid for microbiological safety BUT the acid taste does not complement well ( a light cheese, a sauce as example ).

In this cases, the use of Magic Mask can be of help. Magic Mask does not buffer the pH, nor alter it. Magic Mask acts at the tongue receptors level, temporarily reducing the acid perception, thus improving the overall mouth feel. Its action last 5-8 seconds and involve only the acid receptors.
Recommended dosage is 1 up to 3 grams for Kg food. When comparing products with and without Magic Mask, the food with Magic Mask must be tasted as second.

 

[jimmieu]

I also have Those flavors and 20 others. i have never tasted lemon. Try buying some direct from Loranns.

 

[IndyColtsfan]

I have a couple of those and never noticed any lemon flavor or smell. Might be a bad batch?

 

[KonaNeil]

In this cases, the use of Magic Mask can be of help. Magic Mask does not buffer the pH, nor alter it. Magic Mask acts at the tongue receptors level, temporarily reducing the acid perception, thus improving the overall mouth feel. Its action last 5-8 seconds and involve only the acid receptors.
Recommended dosage is 1 up to 3 grams for Kg food. When comparing products with and without Magic Mask, the food with Magic Mask must be tasted as second.

Ekk!! It does something to us? Its must be a drug!;-) But have no fear. The FDA will save us from it.

 

[Angela]

Just a thought: you don't say how much flavouring you are using. If you use too much, they can actually taste less like what they are supposed to and the other ingredients of the solution can come through. (Taste he concentrated flavouring on it's own... it doesn't taste anything like the actual flavour). Could this be your problem? If so, try a weaker solution (might not taste strong, at first, but might get rid of the underlying taste).

When I started DIYing, I couldn't really taste the flavours enough so I started adding more and more flavouring, and they just ended up tasting awful. After my tastebuds have adjusted, I now use much, much, less flavouring.... and they taste of what they are supposed to taste of!

 

[misterME]

Thanks for all the suggestions.

I'll try the different solutions posted here and see if one or more works, and post an update with my findings.

Again, thanks.

 

[Linthorn]

What was the last flavor you used on your atty? Sometimes flavors linger and taint new mixes. Try cleaning it out with alcohol and vaping VG or PG plain until there is no taste. Then try again.

Lemon is likely to stick around.

 

[misterME]

What was the last flavor you used on your atty? Sometimes flavors linger and taint new mixes. Try cleaning it out with alcohol and vaping VG or PG plain until there is no taste. Then try again.

Lemon is likely to stick around.

The last thing I had vaped was Tiramisu from Decadent Vapors (unbelievably good, btw, if a bit pricey), anything but lemony. You would never catch me with a lemon flavor in my 510, as I hate lemon (and most citrus) with a passion.

I haven't had time to really test it today (got wrapped up in mixing some flavors from Capella (and OMG is the "French Toast" absolutely brilliant)), but I think, as was suggested earlier, I was over-flavoring the mix and getting some bleed from the other flavoring ingredients. At least, that's my hope, since it's easy enough to fix.

 

[misterME]

So I did some experimentation today with my Lorann flavorings. And I have to say, it's the flavorings themselves that are giving me the strange taste.

I tired all different concentrations, from 5% flavoring/mixture to 30% flavoring/mixture. I tired it with PG, with VG, and with combination of both. I tried it with nicotine and without, with alcohol and without. Each and every time, there was an undercurrent in every mixture (very subtle in the 5% flavorings, completely overpowering in the 30% flavorings) of a tangy, citrussy flavor (that I could best describe as lemon, though that's not wholly accurate). And none of my Lorann's are citrus, or even fruit for that matter.

So it has to be the the Lorann's. There's something in each of their flavors that I've tried so far that just doesn't taste right when vaped. I haven't had the same problem with the Capella's.

Just for the record, I tasted the flavorings themselves without any other additives, and while I couldn't taste the same citrussy flavor when dipped straight, I could smell it, if that makes sense. So I'm guessing it is some ingredient in Lorann's that when vaporized creates an under-flavor that I do not find pleasant.

 

[Angela]

My sense of taste hasn't fully returned yet, so I don't detect what you have been - but I've heard of the problem. Here's a possible solution which is available at:

Flavourart Express shop

Under "Sweet Flavors" category
　
AAA Magig Mask

NEW !! Reduce the acid perception without modifying the pH.
pH is one of the key factors involved in food stability. In order to reduce the pH, a small amount of organic acid must be added to the food preparation (i.e. citric, malic, tartaric acid). In most cases the addition of food acid is beneficial both for microbiological stability and taste ( just think to an lemon or cola drink, they must be acid to be good ).
However, some other foods might require food acid for microbiological safety BUT the acid taste does not complement well ( a light cheese, a sauce as example ).

In this cases, the use of Magic Mask can be of help. Magic Mask does not buffer the pH, nor alter it. Magic Mask acts at the tongue receptors level, temporarily reducing the acid perception, thus improving the overall mouth feel. Its action last 5-8 seconds and involve only the acid receptors.
Recommended dosage is 1 up to 3 grams for Kg food. When comparing products with and without Magic Mask, the food with Magic Mask must be tasted as second.

Just an update to this: Flavour Art today opened 'The Vape Heaven' with liquids, PG, VG, flavours and custom-blended flavours.... and also including "MTS Vape Wizard" - which is basically 'magic mask' for vapers