Los angeles bans e-cigs

[mostlyclassics]

evan le'garde, you miss the point of this ordinance.

The jackbooted thugs who rule Los Angeles have made it illegal to vape in public. Scientific evidence, common sense and sweet reason don't enter into the equation.

I encourage you to join those of us boycotting anything and everything coming out of Los Angeles.

 

[^Top-Shelf^]

Very Ironic that when I started reading this thread, this song came on the radio. Kinda freaked me out! Maybe 2pac is up there blowing some clouds haha. Anyway back to subject.

 

[Still138]

California should just become its own country. I am so sick of its influence on the rest of the country.

New York did it first... just saying. What influence do you speak of? Getting out in the sun? Being able to have a bbq in january? Just asking...

 

[evan le'garde]

evan le'garde, you miss the point of this ordinance.

The jackbooted thugs who rule Los Angeles have made it illegal to vape in public. Scientific evidence, common sense and sweet reason don't enter into the equation.

I encourage you to join those of us boycotting anything and everything coming out of Los Angeles.

I'd imagine anyone that might appeal against any conviction they received from the courts for vaping where they shouldn't would be made an example of by being told that nicotine is a poison and other people shouldn't have to be exposed to it by someone vaping. But then the court would have to prove that nicotine was being vapourized. I've no doubt that the police have already got a procedure for this. That would be confiscation of your vapour device for tests. All the evidence would be presented to the courts by the public prosecutor. Taking the case to the high court would be to ignore any decision that found the defendant guilty. When the case reaches the high court the original conviction would still stand and the defendant would still be found guilty. The case would have been covered by the press and absolutely everyone !, everyone would know "exactly" why ecigs have been banned in public places. Then maybe people, vapers, would stop complaining about it !.

 

[Botomline]

Typical United States Government. LAND OF FREE. Sike...
But as said by Arnold Ziffle, I don't believe they will enforce it very harshly. Plus, there are many ways to get around the law if you're a good lawyer.

I was thinking a DBA registration with a T'Shirt saying "Portable Vape Lounge"

 

[mostlyclassics]

evan le'garde, your location is listed as "everywhere." From your post (#44), I get the impression you're not familiar with American urban "jurisprudence," such as it is.

I'm not sure about Los Angeles (though I suspect it works similarly), but in Illinois, the public health department handles everything after the cops make the complaint to them. There is no appeal from the public health department's ruling. You are found guilty on the basis of the complaint only. No evidence is presented, since the complaint as filed by the police is considered sufficient evidence of guilt, and you have no recourse. You get a bill in the mail. Either you pay the bill or, in the case of Illinois, any monies due are extracted from your state income tax refund. In extreme cases, the public health department can go to court and obtain a lien on your property.

 

[Coelli]

Just a little clarification, it's still legal to vape in public, but basically only in the places where smoking is allowed in public. No parks or beaches, restaurants, nightclubs, or bars. City streets, etc. are not affected except for "smoking within X feet" ordinances.

There's a rally at Pershing Square on Saturday from 2-4 that I urge all vapers in LA to attend. The media will be present as well. Make your voice heard!

 

[Bramble]

New York did it first... just saying. What influence do you speak of? Getting out in the sun? Being able to have a bbq in january? Just asking...

Same ban in Utah went into effect this January. But then. We expected that

 

[sdennislee]

California should just become its own country. I am so sick of its influence on the rest of the country.

That's spelled Kalifornia

 

[benroy44]

It makes me Glad I moved away from La back in the 70s

 

[sdennislee]

I can understand bans indoors but in a park is just ridiculous. Plus, a person using an vape device won't be dropping butts on the ground.

Bans indoors for cigarettes due to second smoke yep. Bans on ecig indoors, why? no second danger. Why roll over and give in indoors. Give the ANTZ an inch and they take a mile.

There is no logical reason to ban ecigs indoors, no scientific evidence to support indoor bans.

 

[marlowe310]

This is the kind of thing about LA that drives me insane. We could be on the forefront of vaping. We have the shops, the infrastructure, and the interest.

And yet, instead, we lag behind. Like always. Spending money to ban stuff like this when our prisons are so underfunded they've lost every inmate resource but church-sponsored AA and NA.

Truly ludicrous.

 

[sdennislee]

By acquiescing to the ANTZ wishes of only vaping where smoking is permitted it perpetuates the myth that vaping is smoking.

 

[sdennislee]

If you can get through some of the mindless bickering there is some very good information in this thread. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarettes-public/523259-why-vapers-getting-bad-name.html

 

[lsm1995]

That's just sad. What's the point? I mean, obviously people don't need proof something is bad for it to be illegal. But still..

 

[ArtyPa]

And Md is looking too.


Bill would ban e-smoking in Md. bars, restaurants



Thursday - 3/6/2014, 4:53am ET

WASHINGTON -- One Maryland lawmaker wants to expand bans on smoking in bars and restaurants to electronic cigarettes, commonly referred to as "e-cigarettes."

Del. Aruna Miller, D-Montgomery County, claims that her bill, HB 1291, would not ban the personal and private use of e-cigarettes by adults, but would simply extend the same restrictions on smoking to e-cigarettes.

When Miller introduced her bill to a House panel, Bruce Bereano, a lobbyist for tobacco and candy wholesalers, disagreed with her sharply.

"I can't believe they come in here and say it's not a ban," Bereano said.

"It says where current law does not allow the use of cigarettes, you can't use an e-cigarette! To me that's a ban," Bereano told the members of the House Economic Matters Committee.

Miller says that while the e-cigarettes generate vapors instead of smoke, there are too many unknowns about whether the vapor is safe for the user or bystanders.

"It's like the wild, wild west out there," Miller told the House panel, citing the lack of oversight over the manufacture of the e-cigarettes and the liquid cartridges that generate vapor.

Bereano dismissed the concerns around e-cigarettes as fear mongering.

"This is a Chicken Little bill! The sky's falling," he said.

He told lawmakers they have a duty to legislate based on facts. And when it comes to the health effects of e-cigarettes, Bereano said, "as legislators, this committee always acts on facts and solid, objective information. And you have none of that because none exists!"

Bereano noted that the University of Maryland College Park has received a $19 million grant to examine the effects of e-cigarettes and tobacco products, and urged the committee to wait until that study is complete before taking any action.

Dr. Donald Shell, director of the Cancer and Chronic Disease Bureau of the Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, said there are a number of studies about the dangers of e-cigarettes, but the conclusions aren't clear.

"You'll find literature state many different things, but right now there are many different reports, and so we're eagerly watching the literature," Shell says.

WTOP's Kate Ryan contributed to this report. Follow @WTOP on Twitter and WTOP on Facebook.

© 2014 WTOP.

 

[ClaimedVacancy]

What funny is that MSG is still legal... Which is in a large amount of foods, and known to cause brain damage, yet that is never ruled out if it's "safe" for ingestion...

 

[stevegmu]

These so called bans have nothing to do with safety...

 

[Qhorsegal]

My fear is this....where does this kind of legislation stop? If we are banning vaping because it's a "bad influence" on children, then what's next? Will I be arrested for using foul language in front of a child because it just might make them think it's ok to curse? The possibilities are endless here, and before you say this is a crazy comparison, listen to this. There was a report on GMA this morning about a girl who was attempting to sue her parents because they were refusing to pay for her college tuition. At first glance this sounds harsh, until you hear that this sweet young lady chose to leave her home and try to make it on her own because she didn't want to follow the rules which her parents put in place for her. Which, btw, were not extreme. The lawyer for the parents presented into evidence an expletive filled voicemail from the daughter which the Judge was appalled by. He stated that he was very concerned about the precedence this case might set in the country. His statement was, If I allow this judgement then what's next, should a 12 year old be able to sue his parents for a new X-Box?

This type of "big government" behavior always worries me. It just keeps getting worse and worse and more and more accepted. I'm going to the link at the top of the page here next to see what I can do about the legislation in my state. It's probably a lost cause, but I won't just sit by and do nothing. We need to keep in mind that we have a responsibility as adults in this country to make our voices heard. There is no room for complaining if you don't participate in the system.

 

[Katya]

This is the kind of thing about LA that drives me insane. We could be on the forefront of vaping. We have the shops, the infrastructure, and the interest.


And yet, instead, we lag behind. Like always. Spending money to ban stuff like this when our prisons are so underfunded they've lost every inmate resource but church-sponsored AA and NA.


Truly ludicrous.

As long as we keep electing people like Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi...