Los angeles bans e-cigs
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Wow that really sucks .
I thought the reason cigs were out was because they were harmful to others.
Now it seems they're just stomping on peoples rights like Nazi's
I thought the reason cigs were out was because they were harmful to others.
Now it seems they're just stomping on peoples rights like Nazi's
I always thought it is ironic, that in the supposedly "liberal" states they restrict behaviors the most... And tend to go to greater extremes to punish people for not being in lock step with the magnificenty airbrushed ideal they envision for an orderly populace.
The downside of this, is the lefties often move, and then when they have sufficient numbers in their new locale... Like locusts, they eff up another place by voting in the same sorts of politicians that made them leave where they used to live.
Now that I have that off my chest... There is a reason I left Cali, and will never go back. Too many absurd and intrusive laws. I moved to the south, in order to have a more free life. Unfortunately, there is a jerk here that managed to make vaping illegal anywhere smoking is illegal.
/rant
The downside of this, is the lefties often move, and then when they have sufficient numbers in their new locale... Like locusts, they eff up another place by voting in the same sorts of politicians that made them leave where they used to live.
Now that I have that off my chest... There is a reason I left Cali, and will never go back. Too many absurd and intrusive laws. I moved to the south, in order to have a more free life. Unfortunately, there is a jerk here that managed to make vaping illegal anywhere smoking is illegal.
/rant
You are missing the point. Enacting a "law", imposed on ALL, by the government, on an activity that is not harmful to others, IS the issue. Your support of the government banning a non-harmful activity in some areas but not others means you are elevating your perceptions above that of the parent (for example) who doesn't want your vapor at the beach or in the park.
If an activity, that is and should be lawful, is being done in a way that is discourteous to others (talking on the phone, listening to music, vaping), then the establishment in question has the right and obligation to require the discourteous patron to become courteous. A law is not needed and should not be supported, that affects those who are courteous due to the actions of the few who are not courteous.
Looking to the government to use a blunt instrument to solve all one's problems, IS the problem.
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Outlawing something because some people just don't like it is an awesome idea. I don't like them doing that so it should now be illegal to pass those kinds of laws.
Yes, they are.
This book is interesting - and the preface is available online: Tobakkonacht
By the way: I am from Germany. Born and raised there. And educated about the Nazi history, as was my entire generation. We were taught to see the signs, and to say "never again". And I can most certainly see the signs in the behavior of the "health nazis".
Precisely.
As Ronald Reagan used to say: The 9 most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help"
Outlawing something because some people just don't like it is an awesome idea. I don't like them doing that so it should now be illegal to pass those kinds of laws.
Oh yes!
You have my vote, LDS714
That's somewhat chilling.
But on the other hand, that same state is close to legalizing something else so that the lemmings will at least be smiling.
We have been fighting this pretty hard in Utah. Make sure you stay in contact with your representatives and vote those out who are against personal liberties. We just shot down a house and senate bill that were against ecigs... online sales ban etc.. Thank goodness!
Should we all be hoarding/stockpiling a little? BTW, how long will e-juice keep?
Alright! Congratulations!
Well, liquid will keep for at least one year, unopened. You may wish to store it in a dark place, some liquids darken over time in the light. That may affect the taste, depending on the kind of liquid / flavor.
- I mix my own liquids (DIY), and I live in Europe. Where the corrupt bureaucrats of the European Union have just dealt a blow to vaping. In a "tobacco directive" no less. For a product that does not contain tobacco. Duh. So I have approx 4 liters (approx 4 quarts) of 36mg/ml nic base in the freezer. That should tide me over for a while. - We will go on fighting that nonsense on the national level. But it give peace of mind to be prepared for the worst
About a year, but hopefully the resolve to vote out those who misrepresent us will last longer...
Just posting this up again for those who have not seen it:
Petitioning Democratic Party Strategists
Hold Democrats to "Science over Ideology" regarding e-cigarettes
http://www.change.org/petitions/dem...-science-over-ideology-regarding-e-cigarettes
Even if you're not a Democrat, please share this with people who are. The message has to go out that Democrats are not happy with their party's actions on this.
Petitioning Democratic Party Strategists
Hold Democrats to "Science over Ideology" regarding e-cigarettes
http://www.change.org/petitions/dem...-science-over-ideology-regarding-e-cigarettes
Even if you're not a Democrat, please share this with people who are. The message has to go out that Democrats are not happy with their party's actions on this.
Im still going to vape anywhere I want. Just pull it out of my pocket and vape
I'm not surprise by this. I'm from SoCal and LA is filled with "Do as I say, not as I do because I'm forcing you by law" types. All of them demos. Any law that seems nonsensical or non-logical, they are the group who wrote and passed it!
Liberal leaders have long worked to force people to conform to their definition of liberty. Individual freedom of choice isn't the goal, apparently.
Right on. This is exactly what modern liberalism is. Nobody can do what "they" decide is wrong or do anything that takes tax money away from them. It's the antithesis of liberty, and vaping is just the next causality on the list.
Not saying it's your fault... but that's exactly why things like this happen.
Actually, no, that is NOT why bans happen. It has nothing to do with people vaping openly but respectfully. These bans started in 2009 before anyone was vaping openly. Please get your facts and opinions, straight.
read what he posted... there's not a thing respectful about it... 'I'm still going to vape anywhere I want'. There's nothing wrong with vaping openly, I have nothing to hide, however being ignorant and just doing things without being respectful of others, well that's when things start to head south. Only takes one person to change anything for everyone.
Several cities within Los Angeles counties have had long time bans on smoking in public. Unless you live there, I am not even sure how you would know if you happen to be visiting and stepped outside for a smoke.
I gave the poster the "benefit of the doubt" and decided that when he vaped anywhere, he would do so courteously. Of course there are inconsiderate vapers just like there are inconsiderate cell phone users, music listeners, perfume wearers, etc. But boorish behavior has nothing to do with bans on vaping. Never has, never will. It has to do with an Ideology of Control coupled with a "nanny state" mentality and money, that has gone way too far in this country.
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