Lots of bad news about vaping recently?!?

[pennysmalls]

I am really unsure on how your attacks on religion and people of faith have anything to do with vaping, period. You keep doing this and it really has no place or purpose here or in any of the discussions you insert this personal bias.

and just FYI I am a person of faith and at no time have I ever heard a word against vaping at my church, not even from my pastor when we are just talking and vaping together.

Parallels being drawn, nothing more. I wouldn't take it personally. It's not really the subject of debate that's the parallel, it's *how* the subject is argued/defended/protected/debated. Politics, religion, philosophy, psychology etc. are all interconnected and all get dragged in as examples equally. We have nothing else to use as examples.

 

[edyle]

big tobacco revenues are dropping.

what do companies do when revenues are falling? for one thing they pump money into advertising/propaganda/publicity.
if you can't make your guy look better, you drag the other guy down.

 

[daviedog]

Yes, because without BT and BP... guess what? BG loses it's financial backing. Now if I were one to gamble (which I happen to be) as I've stated in the past... "You can mess with my life and my head... but don't dare touch my damn paycheck!"... I'm pretty sure this holds true even to tobacco, pharma, and government. Because if you look at it from my standpoint - how many of our elected officials are taking big bucks from tobacco and pharma? Quite a few. And you know (or should know) that those same officials are hiring people and the money trail goes from tobacco / pharma -> elected officials -> hired agents -> ???. And the buck stops there (no pun intended). Do you honestly think that these "researchers" are paying top dollar (like the consumer) is for these juices, batteries, atty's, etc? I highly doubt it... so where's the rest of this money going? Don't answer that - it's a rhetorical question.

This is why I have become a total Vapocalypse vaper ... for well over a year, I have been prepared for a total ban on everything ... where nothing is available tomorrow.

Hope for the best ... prepare for the worst.


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Hoping my Boy Scout training will pay off..

 

[daviedog]

I am really unsure on how your attacks on religion and people of faith have anything to do with vaping, period. You keep doing this and it really has no place or purpose here or in any of the discussions you insert this personal bias.

and just FYI I am a person of faith and at no time have I ever heard a word against vaping at my church, not even from my pastor when we are just talking and vaping together.

A person of strong faith may ignore a naysayer with impunity..

 

[baaadjustin]

Actually, PG and VG are Alcohols..

Pg and vg or both oils

 

[baaadjustin]

Don't get me wrong I love vaping it got me off cigs, but I'm not gonna kid myself and say it's healthy

 

[crxess]

Pg and vg or both oils

You clearly do not understand the definition of Oil.

 

[Coldrake]

We have all these pro vaping causes that take in money and support...where are their articles. They should be putting them out there on a regular basis..but where are they? We can complain about ALL THE BAD anti vaping articles out there but at some point we have to at least say they are consistent is getting their message out unlike the pro vaping causes out there.

CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

American Vaping Association | Vaping to Quit Smoking American Vaping Association

Home INFO link

Investing in our Future

Homepage - SFATA | Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association

NOT Blowing Smoke

The Vaping Militia

The truth is out there and being published every day. Now, the Main stream Media has no interest in Truth or Lie, only Sales and Hype.
Truth is - Opponents to Vaping have Far more Dollars to Carry their word to the public and have had Decades to refine their tactics.

The Lie is accepting News as Fact of Truth.

As to where is the money going - A lot of it is Lobbying on our behalf, some of it is Smaller publication as Budget allows.
Most of these people are working on our behalf as Unpaid Volunteers.

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I'd like to add this link. vapers.org.uk Hundreds and hundreds of links to pro-vaping articles. You can subscribe on the front page. As crxess said, they just don't make the headlines.

 

[Rizzyking]

Hate to break this to those not aware but not everyone on this forum or many other vaping forums is being honest, we got antz people they have been joining many forums in the last year. They usually pick the most contentious issue's and play the new vaper ignorance card to get them going before letting others hand them crate after crate of ammo for their anti vape rubbish which they then take out of context and present it to suit their agenda. Personally I've seen and heard enough to know vapings fate is sealed and like Willy zee am now preparing so that come what may me and the missus can carry on vaping until either common sense returns to the world (not holding my breath stupidity seems to be too firmly entrenched) or am able to source nic liquid elsewhere. Nothing like prohibition to get some enterprising soul to cater to our needs best any of us can do, the real shame is the people that will be condemned to tobacco as the only real chance they had was binned for profit and ignorance but hey gotta protect the children .

 

[Bunnykiller]

vaping is as to smoking as getting shot with a 22 is as to getting shot with a 44
both arent good but 1 does offer alot less damage...

 

[baaadjustin]

There are four things that really really bother me about this place. This is one of them, words have meaning and to think they don't really bothers me.

Smoke and vapor are not the same thing. A fire is a chemical reaction, the chemistry of the burned items is changing and smoke is part of it. Vapor may or may not have a chemical reaction included but they are not the same thing.

Vapor is changing the state of matter but it may or may not change the composition. Water can be a solid, a liquid, or a gas. Vapor is usually used to describe a gas that can be readily condensed back to a liquid in the conditions it is being exposed to.

You clearly do not understand the definition of Oil.

You clearly do not understand the definition of Oil.

I'm thinking it's the other way around

 

[baaadjustin]

You clearly do not understand the definition of Oil.

Google what vegetable glycerin is it will tell you

 

[Robino1]

We have all these pro vaping causes that take in money and support...where are their articles. They should be putting them out there on a regular basis..but where are they? We can complain about ALL THE BAD anti vaping articles out there but at some point we have to at least say they are consistent is getting their message out unlike the pro vaping causes out there.

Unfortunately, the media does not pick up and run with the good news. Bad news sells, good news....no so much. Crxess posted a bunch of excellent links for you.

Well there is more than sufficient properly accredited research on how nicotine effects your blood vessels for example.
Since most of us don't vape 0% its pretty much certain it negatively impacts your health in that way.
A bit of logical reasoning, you are in the end inhaling several heated chemicals, also might help you to conclude that not doing so in the long run would proof beneficial to your health.

I'm not saying vaping kills you for sure but claiming the opposite, that its harmless, seems besides the truth as well.

Yet the medical community says that nicotine helps open blood vessels to speed the growth of cancer cells. They are constantly contradicting themselves

Pg and vg or both oils

From Propylene Glycol: The Good, the Bad and the Alternatives

Propylene Glycol is a form of mineral oil, an alcohol produced by fermentation of yeast and carbohydrates.

Just because it says oil, does not mean oil. A bit of research helps

 

[baaadjustin]

Unfortunately, the media does not pick up and run with the good news. Bad news sells, good news....no so much. Crxess posted a bunch of excellent links for you.

I didn't say if it was a good or bad oil, all I said was it's an oil

Yet the medical community says that nicotine helps open blood vessels to speed the growth of cancer cells. They are constantly contradicting themselves



From Propylene Glycol: The Good, the Bad and the Alternatives



Just because it says oil, does not mean oil. A bit of research helps

 

[jensy]

We have all these pro vaping causes that take in money and support...where are their articles. They should be putting them out there on a regular basis..but where are they? We can complain about ALL THE BAD anti vaping articles out there but at some point we have to at least say they are consistent is getting their message out unlike the pro vaping causes out there.

It is easy for them to come up with 100 bad vaping stories quickly because they are making the crap up.

 

[Robino1]

Google what vegetable glycerin is it will tell you

What is Vegetable Glycerin? (with pictures)

Chemically speaking, glycerin is an alcohol, but for food purposes, it is classed — in the USA — as a carbohydrate by the Federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA), because it provides calories and is not a fat or a protein.

Took me a bit to find the actual composition. Lots of research involved or I would have answered sooner

 

[WattWick]

Hmmm.......... So copy Data from original URL and past there, then link to pasted data instead?

That's the idea. Not in any way perfect. I'm honestly not sure what the best course of action is. I just don't feel very good ...uh... feeding the hand that bites us?

 

[curiousJan]

Google what vegetable glycerin is it will tell you

It may be produced from oil, but it is not oil.

Glycerol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[crxess]

Google what vegetable glycerin is it will tell you

Typical ANTZ speak. If you actually read what you indicate, you would be more educated on Fact(or maybe you already are) and would know the difference between:
IS and FROM

Just as Oxygen in neither AIR not WATER, it is Common to Both.
Triglycerides are derivatives.

End this, Speak your Mind.

Is Nicotine Derived from, or is nicotine Tobacco?

Hurry while you can. Very little Troll food left.

 

[retired1]

Do not respond to the pot stirrers. Report them.