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I've been thinking about the hot sauce idea...
Would you want to inhale that stuff? The burn tends to build up and linger for a while.
Would you want to inhale that stuff? The burn tends to build up and linger for a while.
I don't drink either, and I don't use the alcohol idea very much. I
thought I had to use alcohol to dissolve the menthol, but it's not true.
Menthol dissolves in PG and it won't recrystallize.
You were asking where to buy menthol. I bought mine here:
MENTHOL CRYSTALS 4 Ounces oz Mentha arvensis 100% pure - eBay (item 190318933687 end time Aug-01-09 22:48:36 PDT)
I read a lot of people who absolutely swear up and down that they do
not like the menthol taste. These are the same people who now vape
frappachino, strawberry, carmel, lemon drops. So, I know old dogs can
learn new tricks. I smoked 4 packs of Luckys, and now I suck up
menthol. Sure, sure, girls are the only ones who smoke menthol. Right.
All I know is I like me my throat hits. And adding blueberry, or some
other flavor to the mix gives me an interesting flavor experience. I'll be
experimenting with carmel next. Maybe an Ry4 (or whatever it's called),
with menthol crystals added. I mix menthol in this:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...o-flavor-so-far.html?highlight=tobacco+recipe
One cautionary note: Too much menthol will ruin a mix. Go real slow
with the menthol ... a little really does go a long way, and just because
you have all this menthol, doesn't mean you have to use it all in your
10ml mix.
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Okay,
Father Luke
Add 30% Everclear to 70% VG and 5 drops of Menthol liquid. Will produce a nice throat hit.
Dan
Menthol liquid:
2.5ml crushed menthol crystals disolved in 7.5ml everclear.
Added:
If your brave add a couple drops of liquid jalapeño juiceAlways a guarentee!
I was just discussing the use of jalapeno juice...sweeet!!!!
I made a juice using tequila one time. It raised my blood pressure AND my heart rate significantly. If you have health issues please be careful using alcohol in a mix.
Hadn't thought of that. I completely agree; or my blender on liquify, actually. It's interesting that thought occured to me after the fact.
I just dove in with mincing because I've done that for a number of indian food recipes, and I'm pretty fast at mincing stuff.
As far as success, I'll note that I currently plan to let the mixture (infusion?) stand until Wednesday before starting to strain it. I'm nuking it 10 seconds a day and also crushing and pressing the ginger for a few minutes a day. It's definitely getting stronger, but I want to give the PGA plenty of time to leech out all of the flavor/hot tasting components.
I know for some alcohol infusions (to drink) recipes, the instructions say to wait for months, but in such cases they are talking about larger skinned fruits getting completely saturated with a standard 80 proof alcohol, rather than minced crushed root in 95% alcohol. Plus, I just don't have the patience on this first try to wait that long.
But it will probably by Thurs or Friday of this week before I'll have a report on the results.
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Not yet Proto;
Right now, I have a batch of zero nic that I added Loranns Creme de Minthe. It's a very plesant taste, but not much hit. Still looking for the menthol crystals locally.
Some other flavors that could be made that could potentially have a solid throat hit are
Mustard
Horseradish
Wasabi
This could be derived from commercial extracts, or at home from fresh raw mustard seeds, horseradish root, and Wasabi root.
Vinegar would immediately need to be added to horseradish to keep it from becoming bitter, or prepared vinegar based horseradish could be used.
Mustard seed extract comes as an oil which could gunk up an atomizer, but may be OK in very small quantities dissolved in alcohol and added to a VG or PG mixture.
Mustard
Horseradish
Wasabi
This could be derived from commercial extracts, or at home from fresh raw mustard seeds, horseradish root, and Wasabi root.
Vinegar would immediately need to be added to horseradish to keep it from becoming bitter, or prepared vinegar based horseradish could be used.
Mustard seed extract comes as an oil which could gunk up an atomizer, but may be OK in very small quantities dissolved in alcohol and added to a VG or PG mixture.
I'll keep those in mind. I want to try the menthol crystals first. I'm looking for hit, but not too harsh either.
Today I finished making a ginger extract and tried it out. I found it had a pronounced ginger flavor, and a noticeable but not overwhelming hit or burn in the nose and on the tip of the tongue; some in the back of the throat as well, but that may have just been the added grain alcohol.
I started with a minced ginger/PGA mixture I had been aging for 3 days.
I strained it through a mesh tea ball and pressed the remaining ginger with a spoon to get out a remaining opaque liquid.
I then used coffee filters to strain the liquid three times until it was no longer milky but a clear yellow.
I mixed it with 30 % VG, 30 % PG, and 40 % of the PGA based ginger extract.
I would say on the whole this created a very pleasant ginger flavored vaping mixture, but that it did not produce as significant of a throat hit as I had hoped it would.
Here are pictures of the process.
I started with a minced ginger/PGA mixture I had been aging for 3 days.
I strained it through a mesh tea ball and pressed the remaining ginger with a spoon to get out a remaining opaque liquid.
I then used coffee filters to strain the liquid three times until it was no longer milky but a clear yellow.
I mixed it with 30 % VG, 30 % PG, and 40 % of the PGA based ginger extract.
I would say on the whole this created a very pleasant ginger flavored vaping mixture, but that it did not produce as significant of a throat hit as I had hoped it would.
Here are pictures of the process.
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Try garlic, it will also chase away vampires!
Seriously though, whenever I cook I use fresh garlic, and I have noticed when I bite into a whole clove (used for flavor boiled down but sometimes forgotten) there is a bit of a bite back that hits the back of my throat as apposed to the tongue snap that peppers give.
Seriously though, whenever I cook I use fresh garlic, and I have noticed when I bite into a whole clove (used for flavor boiled down but sometimes forgotten) there is a bit of a bite back that hits the back of my throat as apposed to the tongue snap that peppers give.
That is a possibility - I would like to be able to get rid of the flavors and get just the elements that give the kick in these items - although in diluted form, of course. The pure chemical(s) that actually cause these various burning feelings are probably extremely powerful in a pure state, possibly even dangerous. Or they can have an opposite effect, like capsecum ?sp? (the active ingredient in pepper hotness). It is used in pure form as an anesthetic because when applied in direct undiluted state, it completely overloads pain sensing nerves so they don't send any pain signal.
I'm still excitedly waiting for my Menthol Crystals to arrive, but so far, alcohol gives me the strongest throat hit, followed by the Mint flavors, and then nicotine. As with Walrus' descriptions and videos of using red pepper extracts, it is more of a slow burn than a hit, that grows and grows the more you use it. Fine if you like that thing (I do), but not the same as a throat hit from an analog. I am guessing our other suggestions (mine is in post #26), mustard seed, and your suggestion of onion, would have the same effect. They are more mouth heat than nasal or throat heat. Now wasabi and horseradish do hit the nose/sinuses hard, sometimes making my eyes water at full strength, and I assume they might have a similar effect on the throat, making for more of a throat hit. It's not just things that produce a hot or cold effect on mucus membrane- red pepper juice does that, but has a lingering burn more than a throat hit. It seems like it's things whose vapor specifically has an effect. I can definitely say that is the case for wasabi odor, but it is hot, rather than cool like menthol or mint. I wish I knew more about chemistry and physiology...
Any scientists care too chime in with suggestions?
I'm still excitedly waiting for my Menthol Crystals to arrive, but so far, alcohol gives me the strongest throat hit, followed by the Mint flavors, and then nicotine. As with Walrus' descriptions and videos of using red pepper extracts, it is more of a slow burn than a hit, that grows and grows the more you use it. Fine if you like that thing (I do), but not the same as a throat hit from an analog. I am guessing our other suggestions (mine is in post #26), mustard seed, and your suggestion of onion, would have the same effect. They are more mouth heat than nasal or throat heat. Now wasabi and horseradish do hit the nose/sinuses hard, sometimes making my eyes water at full strength, and I assume they might have a similar effect on the throat, making for more of a throat hit. It's not just things that produce a hot or cold effect on mucus membrane- red pepper juice does that, but has a lingering burn more than a throat hit. It seems like it's things whose vapor specifically has an effect. I can definitely say that is the case for wasabi odor, but it is hot, rather than cool like menthol or mint. I wish I knew more about chemistry and physiology...
Any scientists care too chime in with suggestions?
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