Low volume of vapor

[Blinkyrocket]

I don't know if this has been gone over before but I have an Apollo vape pen (would have to dig to find out which model, but probably the cheapest) and I just get dismally small volumes of smoke when I use it, just pitiful. Do I need a new vape pen if I want to get those gloriously voluptuous, billowy smoke clouds?

I'm pretty sure the liquid I'm using is 50/50.

 

[Marc411]

Hey Blinkyrocket, welcome to the site.

A little more information on the model of mod you have would be helpful, then folks could help you out.

Is it a VW mod and what type of atomizer does it use.

And no matter how hard you try you'll never get any smoke out of a a vaporizer, but we may be able to help you improve the amount of vapor it produces

 

[Blinkyrocket]

Hey Blinkyrocket, welcome to the site.

A little more information on the model of mod you have would be helpful, then folks could help you out.

Is it a VW mod and what type of atomizer does it use.

And no matter how hard you try you'll never get any smoke out of a a vaporizer, but we may be able to help you improve the amount of vapor it produces

Hehe, that's a good point . Well, I can't find my model on the Apollo website anymore. I'm gonna see if I can send a picture. If I still had the packaging or the model number was right on the pen, that sure would be nice.

Pretty sure it's an eGo, and the clearomizer is ce4. VW (variable wattage? If so, no it's not that) mod does not sound familiar, don't even know what that is.

I might end up just buying another vape pen just to see if that's what'll get me those nice fluffy clouds of vapor.

 

[QcVaper]

In your picture it seems like an ego style to me, those don't produce much vapor as they're not made for that a mtl (mouth to lung) setup is more about the nicotine intake and flavor than vapor productions. For something that makes vapor you're getting into sub 0hm category, i won't get into details since maybe someone can help you get more vapor out of that pen but i doubt it. Then again making "fluffy clouds" isin't for everyone, i do it because it satisfies my cravings and stuff ALOT more than any vape pens could i do 6mg nicotine (which equals to about 12 since i'm in sub 0hm) perfect throat hit and flavors for me. I'm not saying go get a sub 0hm now, but it could be something to look into if you really want clouds.

 

[Blinkyrocket]

In your picture it seems like an ego style to me, those don't produce much vapor as they're not made for that a mtl (mouth to lung) setup is more about the nicotine intake and flavor than vapor productions. For something that makes vapor you're getting into sub 0hm category, i won't get into details since maybe someone can help you get more vapor out of that pen but i doubt it. Then again making "fluffy clouds" isin't for everyone, i do it because it satisfies my cravings and stuff ALOT more than any vape pens could i do 6mg nicotine (which equals to about 12 since i'm in sub 0hm) perfect throat hit and flavors for me. I'm not saying go get a sub 0hm now, but it could be something to look into if you really want clouds.

Thanks, this may be just what I wanted.

 

[QcVaper]

Thanks, this may be just what I wanted.

Idk how long you've been vaping for (i'm guessing you're still fairly new to all this) but maybe sub 0hm isin't for you there's plenty of ways to get more vapor than a pen (basically anything other than a pen lol), couple months ago i myself started with a mtl setup with a nautilus tank served me well during that transitioning period. Again i moved to sub 0hm not really for clouds but because you get more flavor from it imo, it also felt much more satisfying to me but not everyone is like this. Though if you're gonna search for a sub 0hm setup, i'd highly suggest you stay away from smok as a first setup they can be fiddly and their Qc sometimes is shady at best. I use one of their tanks but with an rba base (rebuildable atomiser), i have sweeter juices and that kills factory coils (i don't advise you do as i'm doing that's getting too much in details ) What i'd suggest is something small at first like an aspire evo75 it does 75 watts and you can use a wide variety with that mod,beware though it uses removable 18650 batteries. I could recommend a tank but there's too many on the market to even choose one for ya, there's alot of different atomiser giving different experiences, it's all a matter of trying and finding what best fits you. If you still get big cravings that's another thing to keep in mind also since sub 0hm juices are mostly limited to 6mg (while you're vaping those it equates to vaping 12mg) i don't have much throat hit on higher vg because vg dosen't have one much and sub 0hming means you're gonna use mostly higher vg (unless you want to empty a bottle of juice/day)

 

[Marc411]

Hehe, that's a good point . Well, I can't find my model on the Apollo website anymore. I'm gonna see if I can send a picture. If I still had the packaging or the model number was right on the pen, that sure would be nice.

Pretty sure it's an eGo, and the clearomizer is ce4. VW (variable wattage? If so, no it's not that) mod does not sound familiar, don't even know what that is.

I might end up just buying another vape pen just to see if that's what'll get me those nice fluffy clouds of vapor.

Looks similar to the mod I started with many years ago. I haven't seen a ce4 in a while. QcVaper is on the right track, the tech has changed so much and the delivery system for vapor has improved greatly.

I use the original crown tanks with pre-made coils when I'm on the go, the rest of the time I build my own.

It seems like you want something that is pocket friendly and somewhat easy to use. I would do some research here before buying another pen. There are many small devices, VW with internal batteries that may give you a better vape. And the ce4 isn't going to give you the vapor you want, there are tanks out there that will though and give you the ease of premade coils.

Spend some time in this forum reading before buying a new device to see if something grabs your attention:
VV/VW APV Discussion

This thread is on tube mods, similar to your pen:
Are there any mods like the Provari tube mods ?

And this one will help with tanks:
Tanks, clearomizers and drop-in coils

Everyone has an opinion on the best so reading as much as you can and finding the right device will put you on a better path.

 

[Blinkyrocket]

Idk how long you've been vaping for (i'm guessing you're still fairly new to all this) but maybe sub 0hm isin't for you there's plenty of ways to get more vapor than a pen (basically anything other than a pen lol), couple months ago i myself started with a mtl setup with a nautilus tank served me well during that transitioning period. Again i moved to sub 0hm not really for clouds but because you get more flavor from it imo, it also felt much more satisfying to me but not everyone is like this. Though if you're gonna search for a sub 0hm setup, i'd highly suggest you stay away from smok as a first setup they can be fiddly and their Qc sometimes is shady at best. I use one of their tanks but with an rba base (rebuildable atomiser), i have sweeter juices and that kills factory coils (i don't advise you do as i'm doing that's getting too much in details ) What i'd suggest is something small at first like an aspire evo75 it does 75 watts and you can use a wide variety with that mod,beware though it uses removable 18650 batteries. I could recommend a tank but there's too many on the market to even choose one for ya, there's alot of different atomiser giving different experiences, it's all a matter of trying and finding what best fits you. If you still get big cravings that's another thing to keep in mind also since sub 0hm juices are mostly limited to 6mg (while you're vaping those it equates to vaping 12mg) i don't have much throat hit on higher vg because vg dosen't have one much and sub 0hming means you're gonna use mostly higher vg (unless you want to empty a bottle of juice/day)

I don't know why it wouldn't be for me UNLESS there's a few drawbacks to it in terms of upkeep or anything else that gives a disadvantage to sub 0hm. I found an 0hm, is this different than sub 0hm or is it just a different name for the same thing, never know with this type of stuff.

 

[QcVaper]

I don't know why it wouldn't be for me UNLESS there's a few drawbacks to it in terms of upkeep or anything else that gives a disadvantage to sub 0hm. I found an 0hm, is this different than sub 0hm or is it just a different name for the same thing, never know with this type of stuff.

doing sub 0hm means the resistance of your atomiser/coil is less than 1 0hm, what you are using now is a mtl setup (mouth to lung) which pretty much always have a resistance above that 1 0hm. It is a completely different experience since you do not mtl those you dtl (direct lung inhales) also when you get into replacable batteries there's also safety to be aware of considering batteries,the drawbacks would be for you to find since there's not a single vaper that's the same all around the world. I mean if you wanna try it no one's gonna stop you for sure. All around sub 0hm is mainly more things to know and to be aware of in order to vape safely,nothing extra complicated but still important. If you want recommendations though, i'd ask in the general vaping forums, that's the best place here to get suggestions and such. I only do think smok is not very good but that's my personnal opinion.

 

[Blinkyrocket]

doing sub 0hm means the resistance of your atomiser/coil is less than 1 0hm, what you are using now is a mtl setup (mouth to lung) which pretty much always have a resistance above that 1 0hm. It is a completely different experience since you do not mtl those you dtl (direct lung inhales) also when you get into replacable batteries there's also safety to be aware of considering batteries,the drawbacks would be for you to find since there's not a single vaper that's the same all around the world. I mean if you wanna try it no one's gonna stop you for sure. All around sub 0hm is mainly more things to know and to be aware of in order to vape safely,nothing extra complicated but still important. If you want recommendations though, i'd ask in the general vaping forums, that's the best place here to get suggestions and such. I only do think smok is not very good but that's my personnal opinion.

Ok cool. I wonder why the direct lung inhale is necessary, seems like a very weird way to go about that. Unless that provides the most vapor, which is understandable.

 

[QcVaper]

Ok cool. I wonder why the direct lung inhale is necessary, seems like a very weird way to go about that. Unless that provides the most vapor, which is understandable.

It's more about the fact it produces too much vapor. Trying to mtl such a setup would choke you lolz. Some tanks have like .8 0hms options which let's you do a restricted lung hit but there's still no way you can mtl that amount of vapor lolz.You can also obtain more vapor with a mtl setup (one that's not a pen) sub 0hms are mainly for big big clouds, but you can get the amount of vapor about equal to a puff from a cigarette or more from a simple mtl tank.
Basically anything other than a vape pen makes more vapor

 

[Blinkyrocket]

It's more about the fact it produces too much vapor. Trying to mtl such a setup would choke you lolz. Some tanks have like .8 0hms options which let's you do a restricted lung hit but there's still no way you can mtl that amount of vapor lolz.You can also obtain more vapor with a mtl setup (one that's not a pen) sub 0hms are mainly for big big clouds, but you can get the amount of vapor about equal to a puff from a cigarette or more from a simple mtl tank.
Basically anything other than a vape pen makes more vapor

Whoa, man, I didn't know there could be too much vapor. Does it produce too much no matter how softly you inhale? Seems like you could adjust it just by sucking on it less intently. But, Idk, I have way too many questions lol. That's how I am, I like to learn and to always doubt what I learn, so I can ask more questions about it. It doesn't get me very many friends though.

 

[stols001]

Okay so whatever that is, it's quite elderly, and you aren't likely to get more vapor out of it.

The amount of vapor depends on a lot of factors, not just the resistance of your coil. Quick definition: Sub0hming means using a coil that is less than 1.0 ohms resistance. Usually used by those who like a quick, direct inhale into the lungs very fast, usually uses lower nic juices and higher VG ratio, and more airflow.

You can still get plenty cloudy without using a sub0hm tank. Variable wattages, airflows and types of juice all play a role. For example, I am NOT usually a sub0hm vaper, but I still get more clouds than the average MTL vaper, as I can only use 100% VG, I'm sensitive to inhaled PG. I minimize my watts and airflow and still am able to get clouds and if I wanted to, I could up my watts and adjust my airflow to really get a restricted Direct Lung hit, should I so choose. I do not so choose because it's not my vaping style. I vape at 7 watts and at the most restricted airflow setting I can, and I am plenty happy. I use coils usually around 0.7 (can still manufacture a Mouth to lung hit with that coil) to 1.8, max, and it more closely mimics smoking for me, and I enjoy that style of vaping more.

The advantages of MTL (if you like it) is it uses less battery, less e-juice, and one can go higher nicotine on such a device. Believe me, if you use newer equipment, you may still find yourself producing more vapor than you are used to. I'd strongly consider a MTL setup that's maybe a crossover tank to start. For example, a Nautilus 2 tank, which will arrive with a 1.8 coil and a 0.7 coil, so you can try out restricted DL hits by playing with wattage and airflow. It will be less expensive, and still a vast step up from what you have now. You can buy a mod that is still a tube type mod with enough power to attempt a true sub0hm tank for down the line if you want. I won't get into recommendations on that as they are so many and so vast.

That would be my recommendation, but if the idea of huge clouds appeals to you, by all means investigate and purchase a true sub0hm setup, if you are dying for vast clouds and the idea of Direct Lung hits appeals to you. I'd search around on the boards and look at some setups at least on line, and in person if you can.

Best of luck!

Anna

 

[Blinkyrocket]

Okay so whatever that is, it's quite elderly, and you aren't likely to get more vapor out of it.

The amount of vapor depends on a lot of factors, not just the resistance of your coil. Quick definition: Sub0hming means using a coil that is less than 1.0 ohms resistance. Usually used by those who like a quick, direct inhale into the lungs very fast, usually uses lower nic juices and higher VG ratio, and more airflow.

You can still get plenty cloudy without using a sub0hm tank. Variable wattages, airflows and types of juice all play a role. For example, I am NOT usually a sub0hm vaper, but I still get more clouds than the average MTL vaper, as I can only use 100% VG, I'm sensitive to inhaled PG. I minimize my watts and airflow and still am able to get clouds and if I wanted to, I could up my watts and adjust my airflow to really get a restricted Direct Lung hit, should I so choose. I do not so choose because it's not my vaping style. I vape at 7 watts and at the most restricted airflow setting I can, and I am plenty happy. I use coils usually around 0.7 (can still manufacture a Mouth to lung hit with that coil) to 1.8, max, and it more closely mimics smoking for me, and I enjoy that style of vaping more.

The advantages of MTL (if you like it) is it uses less battery, less e-juice, and one can go higher nicotine on such a device. Believe me, if you use newer equipment, you may still find yourself producing more vapor than you are used to. I'd strongly consider a MTL setup that's maybe a crossover tank to start. For example, a Nautilus 2 tank, which will arrive with a 1.8 coil and a 0.7 coil, so you can try out restricted DL hits by playing with wattage and airflow. It will be less expensive, and still a vast step up from what you have now. You can buy a mod that is still a tube type mod with enough power to attempt a true sub0hm tank for down the line if you want. I won't get into recommendations on that as they are so many and so vast.

That would be my recommendation, but if the idea of huge clouds appeals to you, by all means investigate and purchase a true sub0hm setup, if you are dying for vast clouds and the idea of Direct Lung hits appeals to you. I'd search around on the boards and look at some setups at least on line, and in person if you can.

Best of luck!

Anna

Yes, it's quite pitiful hehe. That is a good idea, choosing to get a battery that supports both types of coils.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Three recommendations for you. First, a true MTL (mouth to lung) kit aimed at people who want to vape just like they smoked. Charge it, fill it, vape it:

$32.24 Authentic Innokin Endura T22 Starter Kit - 4.5ml / 1.5ohm / stainless steel + glass + aluminum alloy at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Second, a more advanced system that will require you to buy batteries and a charger to go with it. This is a versatile system that will let you try either MTL or DL (direct lung) vaping:

$38.96 Authentic Eleaf iStick Pico Kit w/ MELO III Clearomizer (Brushed Silver) - 4ml / 0.3/0.5ohm / 1-75W / 100-315'C(200-600'F) / 1*18650 at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Third is a kit that many here like for MTL but also with the ability to do DL (not perfectly, but not bad either; can always swap tanks).

$43.85 Authentic Aspire Zelos 50W 2500mAh VV VW TC APV Mod Kit - 2ml / 0.7ohm / 1-50W / 0.5V-8.0V / 100-315'C(200-600'F) / aluminum at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

The Endura and Zelos are internal battery mods charged only with USB. The Pico takes a separately sold 18650 battery. It can be charged via USB, but a standalone charger is best.

 

[Blinkyrocket]

Three recommendations for you. First, a true MTL (mouth to lung) kit aimed at people who want to vape just like they smoked. Charge it, fill it, vape it:

$32.24 Authentic Innokin Endura T22 Starter Kit - 4.5ml / 1.5ohm / stainless steel + glass + aluminum alloy at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Second, a more advanced system that will require you to buy batteries and a charger to go with it. This is a versatile system that will let you try either MTL or DL (direct lung) vaping:

$38.96 Authentic Eleaf iStick Pico Kit w/ MELO III Clearomizer (Brushed Silver) - 4ml / 0.3/0.5ohm / 1-75W / 100-315'C(200-600'F) / 1*18650 at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Third is a kit that many here like for MTL but also with the ability to do DL (not perfectly, but not bad either; can always swap tanks).

$43.85 Authentic Aspire Zelos 50W 2500mAh VV VW TC APV Mod Kit - 2ml / 0.7ohm / 1-50W / 0.5V-8.0V / 100-315'C(200-600'F) / aluminum at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

The Endura and Zelos are internal battery mods charged only with USB. The Pico takes a separately sold 18650 battery. It can be charged via USB, but a standalone charger is best.

Those are all pretty cheap! thanks.

 

[Letitia]

Do you want something close a hitting like a cig or just clouds? Are you using nic juice?

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Those are all pretty cheap! thanks.

No problem. Fair warning: Those are all at FastTech, a Chinese site with great pricing and free shipping, but you can often wait four weeks for something to arrive.

You can use VapeCrawler.com (a Google-ish site for vape gear) to see if you can find a domestic vendor with the same or similar gear. The price with shipping will likely be higher, but you'll get it in days rather than weeks.

 

[stols001]

Costal Cowboy has your back, BlinkyRocket. Those are all some good suggestions, and good bang for the buck. Fasttech has great prices, but do be prepared and willing to wait. If what you have now is working, you can keep using it in the meantime. If you DEFINITELY want to quit and your current setup isn't cutting it, this might be one time to pay a little extra for a new setup, honestly. I found that my desire to quit smoking only came along in a very great while, it was a fragile little thing to start with, and I'm glad that I was able to get my initial updated gear quickly... But these are all reasonable starter setups that can get you going in a great direction, I think.

Best of LUCK!!!

Anna

 

[Blinkyrocket]

Costal Cowboy has your back, BlinkyRocket. Those are all some good suggestions, and good bang for the buck. Fasttech has great prices, but do be prepared and willing to wait. If what you have now is working, you can keep using it in the meantime. If you DEFINITELY want to quit and your current setup isn't cutting it, this might be one time to pay a little extra for a new setup, honestly. I found that my desire to quit smoking only came along in a very great while, it was a fragile little thing to start with, and I'm glad that I was able to get my initial updated gear quickly... But these are all reasonable starter setups that can get you going in a great direction, I think.

Best of LUCK!!!

Anna

Oh, I have no desire to quit, and I have quit. I only smoked like 2 packs of a special brand that I just buy sometimes, like maybe every few months. I just like vaping because the act of inhaling vapor and blowing it out is very nice. So, nicotine content is not necessarily too important but it is a nice bonus.