Lower back pain during bowel movement

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I know an alternative homeopathic remedy for kidney stones. It's kind of gross though :unsure: A couple table spoons of extra virgin olive oil (you drink it) and follow it with a shot glass of fresh squeezed lemon juice. Then lots of water. If you think you have them water is your best friend. Lots of water. Stay away from tea, soda, booze, salt, excess calcium, cheese, and cut back on the coffee. I got too comfortable a few years back, and hadn't had any issues. Started drinking lots of energy drinks and was still drinking tons of coffee. Then slacked on my water chugging ritual. Bad idea.

IFF (that's math for If and Only If) the problem is kidney stones, do NOT self-treat on the calcium issue. Per my ex-boyfriend, there are several kinds of kidney stones, some CAUSED by calcium, some PREVENTED by calcium. There appear to be some tests to find out which kind a given person would be prone to.

When I get ill and dizzy and pale and heart pounding, it's usually the other issue....the one that requires water and FIBER.
 

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Pain - constipation..straining? Did you stand up too fast & get light headed?

Did you mean the OP?

If not, then:

Overactive digestion, higher up than that. Trying too hard in the MIDDLE of my abdomen. Not necessarily painful. Feels more like nausea but not really in the stomach.

Citrucil once a day fixes it (WITHOUT causing global warming, unlike a more-famous product of the same nature) Or popcorn & fizzy water, but my DENTIST doesn't like me to eat popcorn.

Of course, the fix has a 1-day delay. I suspect fresh apples would help but then I'd have to find out where the cats chased them to.

The problem was always there in my family, but vaping makes it worse for 2 reasons:

1. Mild dehydration

2. Combustibles deliver a very fast dose of stimulant AND a very bitter flavor at the same time. That kick-starts digestion. When people smoke after meals, it acts like a "liver tonic" because the bitter taste tells the liver to release extra digestive enzymes in response to possible mild poison. (Like you got an iffy plant mixed in with your meal.) So your body eventually learns to not bother to release the usual amounts of enzymes because it knows you'll smoke and get that enzyme kick-start at the end of the meal.

Quitting smoking means you abruptly stop getting the artificial enzyme trigger from bitter flavor, but your tummy is still expecting it. So, insufficient digestion for some people.

A traditional European cure for this is to take a drop of "bitters" after a meal. Most European countries have their very own, local, after-dinner drink that tastes really horrible, but which everybody in that country developed a taste for because it aids digestion. Or, you can "bitters" as an extract w/o alcohol and dropper some at the web between thumb and forefinger and lick it off to get the "liver tonic" effect.

BUT, I figured out that France and Italy, at least, would rather keep their wine nice-tasting by leaving the bitter herbs out of it, and eating "gourmet" olives instead. The bitter kind, like Kalamata or any of the other weird gourmet ones, not the canned black ones that every kid puts on all their fingers at Thanksgiving dinner when the grownups are not looking.
 

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Guys... the cranberry juice and more water fixed my problem. Don't think he needs to get dramatic just yet unless it doesn't work (cranberry juice is way easier to drink than olive oil and fresh squeezed lemon:p).

I just wanted to share that for anyone who may have that problem and is reading this thread :) You probably don't want to know about some of the other weird stuff I eat for health purposes ;)
 

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I just wanted to share that for anyone who may have that problem and is reading this thread :) You probably don't want to know about some of the other weird stuff I eat for health purposes ;)

You know... I know lots of people who eat weird things for health purposes... but the bottom line is... do they work? If they work, then that's what matters, and it's worth doing. If it doesn't, why keep doing it?

Years ago, I worked with a girl who looked REALLY sick. I mean way underweight, very pale, almost green, huge bags under her eyes, and looked too weak to walk. I saw her eating a bland plain rice cake... and I asked her about it. She said she was vegetarian for health reasons... I asked her what she was sick with before and she said she was just trying to prevent getting sick. Uh. I can't recall anyone who looked that sick outside a hospital. What she was eating was not doing her any good...
 

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When I once went "cold turkey," many years ago, I experienced the worst constipation of my life -- 3 wks of it. So the dehydration of vaping could be contributing to the problem caused by a lower level of nicotine than your body was used to, while smoking cigarettes -- either situation, dehydration or lower nic level, could cause constipation; put them together, and that's an even bigger problem.

The fainting was probably caused by overstimulation of the "vagus" nerve (I have that a lot, as, according to one doc, mine is somewhat hyper-sensitive); a lot of things can cause that, and I believe "straining" is one of them. Dehydration can also contribute to fainting.

Just my :2c: ...
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When I once went "cold turkey," many years ago, I experienced the worst constipation of my life -- 3 wks of it. So the dehydration of vaping could be contributing to the problem caused by a lower level of nicotine than your body was used to, while smoking cigarettes -- either situation, dehydration or lower nic level, could cause constipation; put them together, and that's an even bigger problem.

The fainting was probably caused by overstimulation of the "vagus" nerve (I have that a lot, as, according to one doc, mine is somewhat hyper-sensitive); a lot of things can cause that, and I believe "straining" is one of them. Dehydration can also contribute to fainting.

Just my :2c: ...
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Hence the advice to use "bitters" after meals or eat 1-3 gourmet (i.e. bitter) olives. That is quit-smoking advice I got in an herbalist seminar I attended years ago.
 

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Hence the advice to use "bitters" after meals or eat 1-3 gourmet (i.e. bitter) olives. That is quit-smoking advice I got in an herbalist seminar I attended years ago.

Well, I don't drink, and haven't for 21+ yrs, so anything alcoholic is out of the question. I like just about all olives EXCEPT the icky canned black ones -- but I never found Kalamatas all that bitter; to me they're just salty as all get out -- which I love. But the body construes them as "bitter"? That's very interesting! I'll have to get some of those; they're a bit pricey, but delicious!

I'm searching every online juice site I can find for a bitter tasting vape, but so far no luck. Most of 'em mention some type of sweetness. :( I wonder if some of those whose reviews just say "ick!" are actually bitter, but the reviewer doesn't know how to interpret/describe that taste properly?

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Well, I don't drink, and haven't for 21+ yrs, so anything alcoholic is out of the question. I like just about all olives EXCEPT the icky canned black ones -- but I never found Kalamatas all that bitter; to me they're just salty as all get out -- which I love. But the body construes them as "bitter"? That's very interesting! I'll have to get some of those; they're a bit pricey, but delicious!

I'm searching every online juice site I can find for a bitter tasting vape, but so far no luck. Most of 'em mention some type of sweetness. :( I wonder if some of those whose reviews just say "ick!" are actually bitter, but the reviewer doesn't know how to interpret/describe that taste properly?

Thx!
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You can get "bitters" as an herbal prep. Like most herbal preps, it uses alcohol but since the bitters are taken by the drop, not the sip, that would only be a problem if a person needs to avoid all alcohol altogether. One puts a drop or two from the dropper onto the web between thumb and forefinger, as I said, and licks it off.

Or, there are a number of bitter herbs, usually mentioned as "good for the liver" because bitter tastes are what release the enzymes. Some of the more-common ones should be available as either a vinegar prep or a glycerine prep. (I hope vg isn't what you were reacting to in ecigs!) Or you could just get some dandelion roots from an untreated lawn or meadow, wash, grate, look up how to make a tincture in vinegar.
 

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No, I think I could probably handle it by the drop; I sometimes add about a quarter-teaspoon of vanilla to my coffee, and have no adverse effects -- once I forgot I had already added it, and added another quarter-teaspoon, and I got the full-body "tingles" you get after the first few sips of an alcoholic beverage -- and though it was powerfully tempting, wisdom prevailed, and I poured it out rather than keep drinking it. Dandelion roots, not sure I could handle; the taste probably isn't that bad, but not sure I could get past the smell, even for a few drops. I wonder if nasturtium could help; their taste is slightly bitter, but more "peppery." Or maybe rose hips? I've heard they're sour, kinda citrusy; not sure if that equals bitter or not. Or grapefruit? That's fairly bitter, and I kinda like it. I guess there's always turnip greens, though I've never been able to stand them, they're so intensely bitter.

I'll have to keep all this in mind, when I'm finally accustomed enough to vaping to leave the cigarettes completely alone -- not there yet, but that is my goal.

Thx,
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