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I forgot to add the cartridge section:

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The 510 cartridge has a very good design that takes care of all the flaws in a 901 cartridge. First of all, it has a larger capacity. However, i noticed that liquid does not get vaporised till the end. With this cartridge, there is no need for a paper clip, syringe etc. The fiber is on top and is easily visible for dripping.

Second, it has an added inner cart layer that i believe is to prevent liquid leakage. True enough, i did not get liqud in my mouth even once, unless i overfilled it.

Due to the extra power, i find myself refilling the cart very frequently. The fiber is not totally dry yet but i would have to refill it once the top part is dry. If i do not refill, i will get a very nasty burnt taste that is similar to a cleaning cycle taste.

I actually like this cartridge MUCH more than a 901 cartridge and a little more than a 401 cartridge.
 

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Ok, Fedor... Here goes: Before i get down to the review, I bought my 510 from http://www.esmokeyshack.com/page/page/6914470.htm. Fast shipping to HI all the way from VA (3 business days). I bought the black manual model, so my impressions might be different from Fedors for this very reason. I bought the 510 with the soul intent to use manual batteries. As far as I know, the 510 is the only factory e-cig that uses a manual battery (until the VX one ships).
Cart:
I don't particurly like the duck bill mouthpiece of the 901, especially considering it size, and find the 510 much more comfortable. I have experienced a little leaking not from the hole in the mouthpiece, but rather from the joint created from the atomizer to cart connection. The Cart Does hold much more liquid than a 901 and can drown the 401 cart, however it's inability to pull liquid from the cart means this increased volume is negated.
Draw:
This is the lightest draw i have ever experienced on an e-cig. The manual battery means that there is no switch to activate, and may contribute to the ease of draw. It is important to note that the new 510 atomizers have only 2 holes, while the old atomizers have 4 holes with 2 of them sealed with glue. I would imagine that if one were to unplug the 4 hole atomizer the draw would be so light that it would not activate an automatic battery.
Throat Hit:
Size wise, its pretty much the best "hitter", I haven't tried the new 901/ or the VX, but in its "class" I've tried the M401, 901 and the 510, and the 510 is the clear winner in terms of throat hit. The secret to this is what seems like a hotter atomizer coil, and the ability to "pre-heat/burn" liquid before the draw.
Vapor:
While my 201 produces more vapor, and i found the 901 produces a "thicker" vapor, the 510 is no wimp at vapor production. Initial burn off of the primer and break-in of the new atomizer took about 1 full day of vaping. After this the 510 produced solid vapor for about 2-3 weeks, using it around 2-3 hours/day (2-3 hours as total time vaping non-stop) I have seen a decrease in vapor production (perhaps about 15-20%) but the superb throat hit keeps me on it.
Flavor:
This is a mixed bag. Some lighter flavors come alive when using the 510. I attribute this to what seems like a higher atomizer temperature. However with many of the liquids that i have tried with the 510 i actually see a decline of flavor when comparing it to a 901, 401, and especially the 201. There is also the issue of VG. When using the M401, 901, and 201, I could use as high VG as 50%. This increased vapor as well as mellowing out liquid. When i first tried 50% VG with the 510 i noticed a "waxy" feeling/coating in my mouth. Once i switched to 100% (afaik) PG this went away. I have not tried a lower concentration of VG, and don't really want to try.
MPG Battery and juice usage:
Battery:
The battery is THE weakest link of the 510. a battery will provide me anywhere from 2-4 hours of usage (I am a heavy vaporer), and i find myself changing batteries AT LEAST 2-4 times a day. It may be because of the increased draw from the atomizer, but having extra batteries is a must. A lifesaver for me is the PCC. This enables me to have a fully charged battery at all times, even when I'm away from a powered usb port or a wall outlet.
Juice:
The increased throat hit, and more vapor come at the cost of not only battery efficiency but also juice. I find myself topping off the 510 twice as much as the 401. This thing just drinks juice.
Value:
In the US, the 510s usually go for about $60. Like everything else deals are there if you search for them. One of the reasons why I bought the 510 when i did was the fact that esmokeyshack was running a grand opening promotion: buy one starter kit, and receive about $50 in extras. The promotion extended to 2 extra batteries, and 2 extra atomizers ($52 in total). IMHO this was a steal. However i don't think i would be as satisfied with the 510 if i did not have the PCC. I purchased the PCC off the classifieds with 2 automatic batteries and 2 atomizers (the used atomizers lasted a whopping 2 days before putzing out...no amount of manual burning/soaking would revive them) for $40 shipped. The batteries seem to have been off the initial "bad batch" and had a rather dissatisfying 2 second cutoff. Even with the bad batteries and the attys I'm still happy i bought the PCC... it has served me well.
Ratings:
510 with 2 sec. automatic battery 2/5
510 with manual battery no PCC 3/5
510 with manual battery and PCC 4/5
 

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Hey all

The black m402 looks like the way im going. I live in aus and am worried about the charger. Do i need to order the car + USB charger or does the starter kit contain a USB charger?

The starter kit contains a USB charger but the car charger will be useless without the USB charger. Unless you plan to share the one USB charger at home and in the car, i suggest you get the combo. Besides, its a combo for a reason.

If you do not see yourself charging any ecigs in the car at all, then you probably don't need one.
 

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Hey all

The black m402 looks like the way im going. I live in aus and am worried about the charger. Do i need to order the car + USB charger or does the starter kit contain a USB charger?
This 401 kit contains a wall and USB charger:
Matte black M401 mini e-cig kit with 5 cartridges - Starter Kit - Heaven-gifts.com Ruyandirect.com Best E-smoking Shop

The wall charger requires the USB charger to be plugged into it, but the USB charger can be used by itself in a computer's USB port.

A car charger is available separately (which also requires that the USB charger be plugged into it):
Car 12-24V adapter for USB charger - Accessories - Heaven-gifts.com Ruyandirect.com Best E-smoking Shop

Note: AFAIK, if you go with the 401 kit, you can order spare batteries of any 40x size : 401, 402, 403 - the only difference being the length/life of the batteries.

Edit: Fedor beat me to it.
 
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This 401 kit contains a wall and USB charger:


The wall charger requires the USB charger to be plugged into it, but the USB charger can be used by itself in a computer's USB port.

A car charger is available separately (which also requires that the USB charger be plugged into it):


Note: AFAIK, if you go with the 401 kit, you can order spare batteries of any 40x size : 401, 402, 403 - the only difference being the length/life of the batteries.

Edit: Fedor beat me to it.

Right so if i order the 401 from absolutley e cigs i get a usb but i dont if i order the 402?
 

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Ruuku,

Don't you like the 510 carts better since they are easier to refill and the atomiser design allows for dripping, which everyone seems to enjoy doing?

Don't you get a horrible burnt taste from the carts?

My atomiser decreased more than 50% only after 2 days. I am on the second one now and I'm quite sure the same will happen. I will post updates. Do you think the manual switch will prolong the atomiser life? Still, 2-3 hours of vaping is far less than the abuse i subject mine to. I use mine exclusively and will at least vape for 4-6 hours a day. Even so, 2-3 weeks of atomiser life is still not that ideal.
 

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Ok never mind they do ship to aus.

Final two questions before order.

Is the product from Heaven Gifts the same as the M402 Fedor was raving about way earlier in the topic. (i understand that Heaven ships the M401 as standard and diff bat sizes are avail)

2nd Question a bit more to to with personal taste i guess. Are the e-jucies from heaven good and comparable to other big name e jucies such as wicked?
 

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I believe a certain region of Australia bans the use of e-cigs. If you look at the earlier posts, there was an aussie member who got his order successfully from Absolutelyecigs.

I think the choice of suppliers is a rather personal one. Everyone who reads my post knows that i heavily recommend Absolutelyecigs. I find their customer service to be the best and i'm also more assured since i'm getting it direct from the factory. Their english is the best i've seen from China as well.

Besides that, i believe RD sells the same stuff. I think you can even put in a request for them to swap batteries for you. If you plan to make a small order, you will definitely find RD cheaper. If you plan to stock up or do a group buy, the fixed shipping by Absolutely might be attractive to you.

The juices from all chinese suppliers should be pretty much the same.

As a consumer, its ultimately your choice.
 

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Thank you so much Fedor.

As far as i can tell it is illegal to sell e cigs in Aus but not to own or use them.

As for my first order im thinking

(all from Heaven. I could not look past the cheap juice for a first buy)

1 matt black M401 starter kit

1 matt black M403 battery

1 spare matt black atomizer

20 empty carts

2 bottles of juice. (not sure which flavor yet)


I figure i will get the m401 and the m403 becuase then i will have the two ends of the spectrum in terms of bat life and size.

Does this sound like a good first purchase to you? I understand a lot is subjective but i want to cover the bases.

Urrrrrggghh

I cant wait till i can comfortably use my e cig and not have to worry about all theese nooby questions.
 

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I do not think the juices prices are that much different between the two but RD does provide a smaller quantity. Anyway, if you do plan to buy from China, 100ml is not too big of a quantity imo. I'm probably not the best person to give you advice on RD cos i've never bought anything from them.

As for your choices, i think its a pretty good start. I would advice you to at least get another atomiser but if start up cost is an issue, then u can just take it easy for your first buy.
 

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Sydestaeppa:
I'd recommend against the 403 batteries unless you really have a need for a tiny e-cig. The only difference between a 401 and a 403 is length and significabtly shorter battery life (403).

I originally bought from absolutely e-cig on Fedor's rec and have nothing bad to say. I have become a real fanboi for Eastmall.net. Their prices and service are excellent, their customer service rep, Ed (ECF user name SIN), is based in OZ and may be of help to you with importation questions.

Best of Luck

John
 

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Fedor:
I really like the 510 carts, but I don't seem to get good performance out of the 510 with dripping. Even though the manual battery is sealed, and perfect for dripping, i still find myself topping off carts, I get a more consistent vape with carts. So far I've had the 510 for about 3 weeks, and have not burnt a single cart. I'm wondering if its the atomizer in question... do your atomizers have 4 holes, (on the atomizer connection terminal, with 2 holes sealed) or only 2 holes. As far as i know, the newest design of atomizer has only 2 holes. Although the 4 hole atomizers that i had were used, their performance went from good to cold in a a matter of a few days... strangely like your experience.

As for the manual batts aiding in preserving the atomizer...hmmm... this could go either way. Positives for the manual battery: preburning liquid MAY allow it to burn the "gunk" off the coil, and since its more of a digital control (tactile switch=on) vs. the mic switch where there is a slight activation followed by a full activation during an inhale.
On the other hand, there is no cut-off to prevent overheating of the atomizer, which i can see as a huge problem with the 510... This thing gets hot.
 

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Sydestaeppa:
I'd recommend against the 403 batteries unless you really have a need for a tiny e-cig. The only difference between a 401 and a 403 is length and significabtly shorter battery life (403).

I originally bought from absolutely e-cig on Fedor's rec and have nothing bad to say. I have become a real fanboi for Eastmall.net. Their prices and service are excellent, their customer service rep, Ed (ECF user name SIN), is based in OZ and may be of help to you with importation questions.

Best of Luck

John

In that case should i just get a pair of m402's?

Id like the smaller sizes but i dont want to have to take more than two batts out with me.
 

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Sydestaeppa:
I'd recommend against the 403 batteries unless you really have a need for a tiny e-cig. The only difference between a 401 and a 403 is length and significabtly shorter battery life (403).

I originally bought from absolutely e-cig on Fedor's rec and have nothing bad to say. I have become a real fanboi for Eastmall.net. Their prices and service are excellent, their customer service rep, Ed (ECF user name SIN), is based in OZ and may be of help to you with importation questions.

Best of Luck

John

I just checked out east malls site. I wasnt as impressed with the hardware options as i was with heavens. Buuuuuuut. LOOK AT THOSE E JUICES!!!!!!
 

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Fedor:
I really like the 510 carts, but I don't seem to get good performance out of the 510 with dripping. Even though the manual battery is sealed, and perfect for dripping, i still find myself topping off carts, I get a more consistent vape with carts. So far I've had the 510 for about 3 weeks, and have not burnt a single cart. I'm wondering if its the atomizer in question... do your atomizers have 4 holes, (on the atomizer connection terminal, with 2 holes sealed) or only 2 holes. As far as i know, the newest design of atomizer has only 2 holes. Although the 4 hole atomizers that i had were used, their performance went from good to cold in a a matter of a few days... strangely like your experience.

As for the manual batts aiding in preserving the atomizer...hmmm... this could go either way. Positives for the manual battery: preburning liquid MAY allow it to burn the "gunk" off the coil, and since its more of a digital control (tactile switch=on) vs. the mic switch where there is a slight activation followed by a full activation during an inhale.
On the other hand, there is no cut-off to prevent overheating of the atomizer, which i can see as a huge problem with the 510... This thing gets hot.

My atomiser is new and has 2 holes. My second atomiser is experiencing the same thing. I am officially convinced that this is not for me. I heard about their earlier issues with batteries but it seems the real issue is with the atomiser. Two weakened atomiser in 4-5 days. This is not acceptable at all. The first atomiser is now almost vaporless.

My second biggest problem is the burnt taste. It has been such a long time since i inhaled "cleaning cycle" flavor but this is giving me the same taste.

Your atomiser seems to work better than mine. I suspect its because you are using it only 2-3 hours a day. I would easily double your vaping time with my unit. This could possibly be the reason for our differences.

Don't know if i should give it a second shot with a manual battery.
 

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Fedor:
I really like the 510 carts, but I don't seem to get good performance out of the 510 with dripping. Even though the manual battery is sealed, and perfect for dripping, i still find myself topping off carts, I get a more consistent vape with carts. So far I've had the 510 for about 3 weeks, and have not burnt a single cart. I'm wondering if its the atomizer in question... do your atomizers have 4 holes, (on the atomizer connection terminal, with 2 holes sealed) or only 2 holes. As far as i know, the newest design of atomizer has only 2 holes. Although the 4 hole atomizers that i had were used, their performance went from good to cold in a a matter of a few days... strangely like your experience.

As for the manual batts aiding in preserving the atomizer...hmmm... this could go either way. Positives for the manual battery: preburning liquid MAY allow it to burn the "gunk" off the coil, and since its more of a digital control (tactile switch=on) vs. the mic switch where there is a slight activation followed by a full activation during an inhale.
On the other hand, there is no cut-off to prevent overheating of the atomizer, which i can see as a huge problem with the 510... This thing gets hot.

The cut-off is connected to your brain by way of your finger.:D
 
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