Magical non-addictive nicotine! Or is somebody's nose getting longer?

[GBalkam]

I just spent the better part of an hour writing to gov.ca about Health Canada's claim that "nicotine in patches is not addictive" I demanded to know either the source of this magical nicotine and where I can get it and failing that.. whose pockets were being lined for them to make that claim.
Quit Smoking Aids - Smoking and Your Body - Tobacco - Health Canada

"heavy smokers may find that the biggest dosage is necessary for longer periods of time. A common error is to quit the patch sooner than recommended. Never cut a patch in half.

The nicotine from a patch does not cause cancer or nicotine addiction.

The most common side effects are skin irritation and sleep disturbance. If you get skin irritation you can switch brands, move the patch around on your skin, or"
(excerpt from HC page.)

I also sent a similar query to CBC News | Go Public asking the same questions.
("an investigative news segment that holds the powers that be accountable.")

Just figured some might find this interesting if not astounding!
I mean, we could say, according to Health Canada, nicotine is not addictive. I mean, seriously, it can't be both ways. (pretty sure we all know it IS addictive. lol)

Point is.. Ask those questions, stir up the rats nests. Never mind the "lets wait and see what happens" approach. If you in the US did that, you would still be flying The Union Jack (flag of Great Breton an UK.)

I for one, don't plan on giving Health Canada and the FDA here 93 years to "Legalize vaping"
(MJ was declared illegal in 1923 here in Canada)..

 

[mattiem]

Nicotine alone may not be nearly as addictive as we have been programed to believe and I tend to believe NEVER SMOKERS that vape e-liquid with nicotine will prove me correct in the not to distant future.

It seems others think the way I do and for your reading pleasure, The Nicotine myth.

 

[GBalkam]

Nicotine alone may not be nearly as addictive as we have been programed to believe and I tend to believe NEVER SMOKERS that vape e-liquid with nicotine will prove me correct in the not to distant future.

It seems others think the way I do and for your reading pleasure, The Nicotine myth.

Time will tell, seeing as how vapers usually try to ween off the nicotine. (Im down to 3mg from 18mg, even in my tank using mouth to lung)

I do have about 20ml of 0mg ejuice here, i could maybe give it a try and see if the itch kicks in.

 

[Robino1]

Mattie speaks the truth. Scientists are coming to realize that Nicotine by itself and without all the MAOI's that are found in tobacco, is not addictive to never smokers.

It is being studied to help with brain issues such as Alzheimer's and when they took the nicotine away, there was no withdrawal that is associated with cigarette withdrawals. The subjects did not go on to crave the nicotine.

 

[Robino1]

Time will tell, seeing as how vapers usually try to ween off the nicotine. (Im down to 3mg from 18mg, even in my tank using mouth to lung)

I do have about 20ml of 0mg ejuice here, i could maybe give it a try and see if the itch kicks in.

Since we did become to addicted through smoking, it was/is harder for us. BUT on the other hand, there are many of us that have not had a problem lowering our nic intake, once we got past the initial weaning off of traditional cigarettes.

I know of quite a few former vapers, that were members of ECF, that actually quit vaping also and did not go back to smoking.

 

[rico942]

I demanded to know either the source of this magical nicotine ...

My research has revealed that BP employs the Keebler Elves and alchemy to remove that nasty "addictivine" molecule from their nicotine, for the benefit of mankind ...

All hail BP !

http://data:image/jpeg;base64,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

 

[retired1]

May want to read this as well: Dr Michael Mosley - Still not hooked! - vaping.com

 

[mattiem]

Time will tell, seeing as how vapers usually try to ween off the nicotine. (Im down to 3mg from 18mg, even in my tank using mouth to lung)

I do have about 20ml of 0mg ejuice here, i could maybe give it a try and see if the itch kicks in.

We have to separate nicotine from cigarette smoking to get to the truth. we that smoked were addicted/dependent on much more than the nicotine. I really think that NEVER SMOKERS that choose to vape for whatever reason will be able to easily put vaping behind them when/if they decide they want to with no withdrawal symptoms at all. JMHO

 

[Robino1]

We have to separate nicotine from cigarette smoking to get to the truth. we that smoked were addicted/dependent on much more than the nicotine. I really think that NEVER SMOKERS that choose to vape for whatever reason will be able to easily put vaping behind them when/if they decide they want to with no withdrawal symptoms at all. JMHO

My opinion also, Mattie!

 

[GBalkam]

Since we did become to addicted through smoking, it was/is harder for us. BUT on the other hand, there are many of us that have not had a problem lowering our nic intake, once we got past the initial weaning off of traditional cigarettes.

I know of quite a few former vapers, that were members of ECF, that actually quit vaping also and did not go back to smoking.

I'll probably keep on vaping, eventually 0mg and near 100%vg. Mostly as a hobby, and because.. i snack less when i vape.

 

[classwife]

Nicotine is nicotine...it either is or it isn't.

 

[mattiem]

I know of quite a few former vapers, that were members of ECF, that actually quit vaping also and did not go back to smoking.

My older sister is a perfect example. She went from heavy smoker to vaperer in a matter of days after being gifted 2 ego type batteries and 2 mega cartomizers and after about 6 months put the vaping behind her too. She has no desire for either now.

 

[Robino1]

I'll probably keep on vaping, eventually 0mg and near 100%vg. Mostly as a hobby, and because.. i snack less when i vape.

I don't think I will ever stop vaping, it satisfies my Habit of hand to mouth.

 

[mattiem]

I don't think I will ever stop vaping, it satisfies my Habit of hand to mouth.

I sure don't intend on quitting. I still enjoy the hand to mouth too and I really enjoy the flavors. I don't intend on ever going to 0 nic either. I believe there are health benefits from using a little nic and I can use all the help I can get at this point in m life.

 

[lynn508]

I don't believe much any gov't says anymore.

 

[classwife]

I don't believe much any gov't says anymore.

Right !


How can it be "harmless" in one form (patches or gum) - yet "DANGEROUS" in another (vaping) ???

 

[90VG]

Deleted.

 

[Robino1]

[Edited quote]
Please tell me that the dad gave permission.....

 

[90VG]

Yes, I asked and his dad gave permission.

 

[GBalkam]

http://themindunleashed.org/2015/09...s-of-nicotine-they-dont-want-you-to-know.html
From:
The Secret Health Benefits of Nicotine They Don’t Want You To Know

"The FDA agrees, and may be changing nicotine patch and gum labels as a result. In their words:

“Although any nicotine-containing product is potentially addictive, decades of research and use have shown that [nicotine replacement therapy] products sold [over the counter] do not appear to have significant potential for abuse or dependence.”"

Oh my god.. LMAO.. even the FDA can't keep it's lies straight