Make your own juice

[Big loud cloud]

So i have been vaping a while now make my own coils but never bothered with the juice I think I'm going to give it a try any advice with making your own juice? Or should I leave it to the experts? Need the pro vs the cons

 

[sheldon tone]

I'd like to as well. Sooooo many diy supplier options here though @_@ once I cram the diy info into my head imma lose my mind trying to do a background check on them all xD some advice tricks, good suppliers, help etc. Appreciated!

 

[pwheeler]

Welcome to ECF! There are pros and cons to making your own. I started not long ago and can't justify the cost of vendor made ejuice anymore. Some pros are that it will cost you a fraction of store bought juice. I was paying at least .50/ml for juice and now it cost me from .03 to .05/ml. Very important to me as I go through 15 to 20 ml/day and sometimes even more. Another thing, you control what is in your juice. I only use flavorings that have been tested and are known to be diketone free. A con would be that it takes a little time to come up with acceptable recipes. The worst that can happen is you'll come up with something totally unvapeable. Unlikely, but can happen. It's easier to determine which profile you're looking for and find a recipe in the DIY thread. Lots of good stuff over there. Get some nic base, PG, VG, syringes, beaker or two, bottles to put it in, some flavors and go at it!

 

[sheldon tone]

Welcome to ECF! There are pros and cons to making your own. I started not long ago and can't justify the cost of vendor made ejuice anymore. Some pros are that it will cost you a fraction of store bought juice. I was paying at least .50/ml for juice and now it cost me from .03 to .05/ml. Very important to me as I go through 15 to 20 ml/day and sometimes even more. Another thing, you control what is in your juice. I only use flavorings that have been tested and are known to be diketone free. A con would be that it takes a little time to come up with acceptable recipes. The worst that can happen is you'll come up with something totally unvapeable. Unlikely, but can happen. It's easier to determine which profile you're looking for and find a recipe in the DIY thread. Lots of good stuff over there. Get some nic base, PG, VG, syringes, beaker or two, bottles to put it in, some flavors and go at it!

Which suppliers do you like here or elsewhere? Do they all have a pretty good track record?

 

[Big loud cloud]

Could you recommend a good site that you have used and any good recipes I could try
also am I better or buying the PG/VG by the litre rather than ml? Cost effective wise because I recon on my mix would be a 70/30 vg mix better taste and clouds according to the forums that is. because PG carries a taste and a little harsher on the throat is this true?
Also I have read that you can have a neat mix 100% PG. Or VG
Any or you tried this what is it like

 

[Foggin]

The biggest advantage is the cost saving once you find a juice you like. I was paying £10 for 30ml of Heinseberg and it was getting very expensive, so I paid £75 for a kit from the Heisenberg manufacturer. The kit had enough base materials to make juice that would have cost me around £450 if I had continued buying 30ml bottles! The flavour concentrate was pre-mixed Heisenberg.

The mixing part is fairly easy if you use a mix calculator to work out the amounts of each base material (PG/VG/nic & flavour) and it a lot of fun (for me at least!)

I think one of the main decisions you need to make is whether you want to produce your own unique flavour profile using a selection of different flavours in various amounts, or go for a pre-mixed flavour (like my Heisenberg) where the only decision I need to make is PG/VG ratio, flavour strength (eg 10%-20% by volume) and the nicotine strength.

If you decide to experiment with different flavour combinations, my best advice is to make a set of small sample bottles filled with each raw flavour (+PG/VG) but without any nic because the nic base is expensive so best avoid wasting it for trials. Vape those samples and learn how they taste. This will give you more experience and will make it easier to think of how they will taste when mixed together with other flavours.

Hope some of this helps

 

[pwheeler]

I have bought my nic base from both My Freedom Smokes and Nude Nicotine. Very good on both. I buy my VG and PG from MFS by the liter. A whole lot cheaper than small quantities. Flavors, I've used Nude Nicotine, My Freedom Smokes, E-CigExpress and OneStopDIY. All really good. I mostly use FlavourArt flavors as those are known to be diketone free, but others from other makers are also clean. ECX and MFS seem to carry the largest variety of flavors, OSDIY has a good variety, but don't carry too much of any one thing and what you're looking for can often be out of stock.

 

[Big loud cloud]

Thanks a lot guys this really helps I will have a look at these websites
I can't w8 to try out new flavours and start to experiment

 

[Big loud cloud]

The biggest advantage is the cost saving once you find a juice you like. I was paying £10 for 30ml of Heinseberg and it was getting very expensive, so I paid £75 for a kit from the Heisenberg manufacturer. The kit had enough base materials to make juice that would have cost me around £450 if I had continued buying 30ml bottles! The flavour concentrate was pre-mixed Heisenberg.

The mixing part is fairly easy if you use a mix calculator to work out the amounts of each base material (PG/VG/nic & flavour) and it a lot of fun (for me at least!)

I think one of the main decisions you need to make is whether you want to produce your own unique flavour profile using a selection of different flavours in various amounts, or go for a pre-mixed flavour (like my Heisenberg) where the only decision I need to make is PG/VG ratio, flavour strength (eg 10%-20% by volume) and the nicotine strength.

If you decide to experiment with different flavour combinations, my best advice is to make a set of small sample bottles filled with each raw flavour (+PG/VG) but without any nic because the nic base is expensive so best avoid wasting it for trials. Vape those samples and learn how they taste. This will give you more experience and will make it easier to think of how they will taste when mixed together with other flavours.

Hope some of this helps

What website did you use to get your starter kit and the pg/VG and flavours? Uk stores or across sea?

 

[Foggin]

I got mine from Vampire Vape in the UK. They have 3 mixing kits and each kit contains more base liquids and flavour concentrates as the price increases.

 

[Izan]

So i have been vaping a while now make my own coils but never bothered with the juice I think I'm going to give it a try any advice with making your own juice? Or should I leave it to the experts? Need the pro vs the cons

DIY E-Liquid

 

[BrotherBob]

Welcome and glad you joined.
Might like to read :
How hard is it to get in to DIY liqiud?

Or should I leave it to the experts

You are the expert of your taste. DIY is being in control of your mix. If your complacent, DIY is not for you.

 

[djsvapour]

'Mixing' is very popular. I can't be bothered to do it much as I don't vape that much and prefer the ease of shop liquid.
I personally don't buy supplies from anywhere but specialist shops. You can't be too careful.
Some shops sell concentrates of their liquids (Chef's Vapor, T-Juice, Decadent, Vampire etc.) so that is a route to take. I still wouldn't buy my bases and accessories from them, no. Decadent is good (for the concentrates), but you don't half pay through the nose for the other stuff. Watch out for prices... please.

 

[sheldon tone]

I have bought my nic base from both My Freedom Smokes and Nude Nicotine. Very good on both. I buy my VG and PG from MFS by the liter. A whole lot cheaper than small quantities. Flavors, I've used Nude Nicotine, My Freedom Smokes, E-CigExpress and OneStopDIY. All really good. I mostly use FlavourArt flavors as those are known to be diketone free, but others from other makers are also clean. ECX and MFS seem to carry the largest variety of flavors, OSDIY has a good variety, but don't carry too much of any one thing and what you're looking for can often be out of stock.

do you have a preferred supplier of chocolate, and marshmallow? 2 flavors I know are pretty hard to get right.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

Hi @Big loud cloud .

Reading is the best advice I can give first. I would suggest looking for recipes at a couple sites and see if you can find some recipes you would like to make and make a list of the ingredients and manufacturers. Different manufacturers CANNOT be substituted (for example TFA Strawberry for FA Strawberry). This way you will have on hand what you need to make what you want.

4 basic parts to DIY - VG (vegetable glycerin), PG (propylene glycol), Nicotine, and Flavoring. I'd suggest looking at some you tubes to actually see some juice being made.

"e-liquid-recipes" <---google for this site, excellent source.
Le DIY pour les Nuls - Recettes DIY - Trucs et Astuces. <-- translate in lower left, search upper right,CLONE recipes
Mega TFA / TPA Recipe Thread • /r/DIY_eJuice (TFA/TPA)
Solid list of DIY clones! • /r/DIY_eJuice <--Clones
hic • /r/cerealkillaclone (FA)

E JUICE CALCULATOR
eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator <--download I use
DIY E-Liquid Calculator Ten Flavors Plus PG/VG Adjusting <---online

UK Suppliers of flavoring
List of flavour concentrate suppliers

UK Shopping
E-cigarette/E-liquid Vendors List + discount codes | ALL ABOUT E-CIGARETTES UK
UK Forum
UK and Ireland Suppliers
Myepack.co.uk
COUPONS - Stores - ECF E-Cigarette Coupons


DIY BLOGS
Dannyv45 - dannyv45's blog | E-Cigarette Forum (has more links)
Hoosier - Hoosier's blog | E-Cigarette Forum

You'll use 3 or 4 times the amount of vg as pg because most flavors are in a pg base so it raises the pg level in diy when you add flavors.

Good luck.

 

[pwheeler]

I do have chocolate, a dark chocolate that I am just getting ready to try out. But I'm mixing it with tobacco, caramel and something else I can't remember now. I'm trying to get some marshmallow, but it's popular and often out of stock. I think both flavors are TFA, but I'll have to look after work and check.

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[evan le'garde]

These are all in the UK, well, apart from the dropper bottles.

Here for 72mg nicotine base liquid. The UK's legal maximum for nicotine liquid is 72mg.
7.2% Nicotine (VG Base)
This is Vegetable Glycerine.
Best use this to keep the finished liquid reasonably thick.


But there again if you need it to be thinner get some Propylene Glycol nicotine base liquid. Here :
7.2% Nicotine (PG Base)

Here's some Vegetable Glycerine base/cutting liquid. Used to make the bulk of you e-liquid.
5 LITRE VEGETABLE GLYCERINE EP/USP FOOD/COSMETIC GRADE

And here's some Propylene Glycol base/cutting liquid if you prefer thinner e-liquid.
5 LITRES MPG Propylene Glycol USP/EP GRADE

Here's a page full of e liquid flavourings. Cheapest you'll find on the internet.
flavor concentrate | eBay

And here's a place to buy some dropper bottles. These ones have a long plastic tip which make it easier to refill your tanks without having to use anything else such as a syringe. Ships from Hong Kong and takes about two weeks. I couldn't find anywhere local that sells these types of long tip bottles and i searched for ages. Trust me they are a lot more practical than any other type.
3-100ml Empty Plastic Dropper Childproof Cap Squeezable Bottles e-juice E-Liquid

You're going to need some syringes and some blunt needles. Look here :
2ml 5ml 10ml 20ml Syringes Blunt Needles Refill INK Shisha Juice Vapes Glue | eBay


The nicotine base is 72mg so a quarter of that is 18mg. So using 5ml of that equates to 18mg when you finish making say 20ml of e-liquid. Easy right !?. If you're cutting 72mg nicotine base liquid down to 18mg all you need to do is make sure the nicotine base liquid is a quarter of the total volume of the finished liquid you are making.

So to make 20ml of e-liquid with for example 18mg of nicotine.

5ml of VG nicotine base liquid.
13ml of VG cutting liquid.
2ml of flavouring.

Shake for a few minutes and you're done.

That's how i like it. That's 90% VG / 10% PG. The flavouring is PG based.

If you do need it thinner you could use a lot more flavouring if you wanted or use the Propylene Glycol nicotine base and cutting liquids instead of VG. Propylene Glycol is thin like water. Vegetable Glycerine is much thicker. I don't know how thick you need it but some people like it much thinner.

 

[suprtrkr]

+1. I've been DIY for years. Actually making the juice is not hard to do, but getting the recipe worked out so it's perfect for you takes some trial an error. I do recommend it, it's way cheaper and you hold the quality control on your own hands. I buy my nic at MyFreedomSmokes and my flavors at Flavor Apprentice. I usually buy PG/VG online.

 

[Big loud cloud]

I have selected my stuff it will be delivered in a couple of days
I have researched the diy. The diff types of flavours and nic wow I'm excited can't w8 to have a go
Thank you to all that has posted has helped me out a lot

 

[Frankmadison]

the flavoring can expensive in the beginning but you will save big long term