Making an Atomizer Coil 101 (Actual Working Methods Only)

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The Needle Method

For those that may not like trying to thread pull the wick in, this way works well.
You can make 2 at a time, more if your form is longer.

First, start off with a needle, or anything smooth that will slide out when finished. Take a length of wick longer than the form and secure it at each end. I use thread and a slip knot. Notice I left a bit of extra past the thread.
This will be the long wick end to go under the bridge.
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Made 2 pre-soldered wire lengths and wrapped them up. The coil spacing can be adjusted, carefully, after wrapping. It doesn't have to be perfect, just don't let them touch when finished. Wrap tightly. When the needle is slid out the wick will expand leaving air space for the wicking action.
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Slide the needle out and cut the wick in the middle. Now we have 2 coils ready to install. Nail clippers to snip the thread.
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Most soldering tips are 60* points. When doing fine work you need a narrow point to see what you are doing. It also prevents solder blobs on your wire since when wiped clean just before soldering, not much solder is there. To make a tip like this, if you look they unscrew from the iron. Put it in a drill and lightly pass a file on it till you have the taper you want. Then polish the tip with360 & 400 grit paper till shiney. Removing the scratches from the filing help keep the tip from eroding. The drill chuck may dent the threads. It will still thread back in since its soft copper.
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Screw the tip back in the iron tight. Heat it up and re-tin the tip with solder and wipe clean with a damp sponge or wet folded paper towel. Its ready.
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How do you know if your coil is the right diameter? Have your atty cup close by and after a couple of wraps hold it over the cup where it is going in. Air has to get by the sides and you can also check what your length will be. It's easier to stretch the coil than compress it. Best to keep the winds close, you can always slide them apart if needed.
When in place in the cup it should be so the feed holes are level or the coil center is slightly above them. This forces the mist to hit the coil when you draw on it.
When considering the gap on the sides, remember that carbon will form eventually so don't get it to close or it may clog faster than normal.
Of course, once you can make your own you can just replace it!
Taking a picture or mentally noting the original coils position, height and dia will be a big plus.

Occasionally, you will notice your soldering iron just isn't as hot as it was. The most common reason is the oxide crust has formed on the threads from heating and cooling. With pliers, loosen the tip some, give it a few twists and tighten it back firmly. 99% of the time it will be back to full heat.
 

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Vaporer, you have put a wealth of great info into this thread. You have done good amigo. You've covered little dumb..... things that the mechanically challenged may never learn in a lifetime.

For example, I just can't express how stupid I felt when I first learned that a loose and floppity tip of a soldering iron could be retightened by simply screwing it in. And then the part about how you can even remove them and grind them the shape you want. Duh. All the years I've had these things, I never knew that. Hah, I always thought the tip had wires hooked to it and the screw behind the collar was what kept it tight.

I hate to cross-contaminate this thread with questions about your other thread but I'm wondering if you've decided to specialize in small round coils rather than continue with the oval/egg shaped coil with the aero advantage?
 

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Appreciated crazyhorse.
Actually, the ones I made are still going. I vaped them hard the 1st month or so and needed to do other things. I still use the first ones I made, not as often, as I'm working on some other atty ideas. I may have to tear one down and see what it looks like, but they still vape well. All the dead ones I had were 801's at the time. I have some 510's now I plan on putting one in.

I decided to do this tutorial as stock circular coils. Easier for someone new to this to do. Once they can do this then they should have no problem working with 2 forms and placement.
 

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I normally replace the factory wire with 26ga enameled wire.
Most plastic type insulation wires are to big to go through and carry the current.
Even the wire they use can be tough to shove up and grab. It almost seems like the insulation swells or softens. The seem to have a source of a very thin insulated wire.

It's possible to drill it if you could find a drill in diamond or carbide tipped. Gonna be expensive. To me, changing to enameled wire is easier.

This subject is going to be addressed when doing individual models.
 

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Vaporer--A ture masterpiece that will make its way to the Library!! Many have tried and a few have said they have done it, but nobody has actually showed a step by step. ...This thread is one for the ages and a work in progress.

Our hats should go off to Vaporer for all of his contributions here.

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Sun

Vaporer,

Many mahalos for your great ''kokua" (help)!

kai
 

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Very nice thread Vaporer
I liked it .
Very informative will really help new builders get their feet wet , and put some of their attys back on their feet .Where was this when I needed to rebuild mine lol. I bought some diamond and carbide tipped drill bits on e-bay. I would not recommend using the carbide bits. The porcelain dulls them like a wood bit cutting steel,one time use only. I know I've wasted a few, cutting atty cups up doing some mods on the attys . Diamond tips work good but also dull after awhile . Im looking forward to new posts on this thread .
 

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Thanks all, doing the best I can with it and working on a couple other things.
So far, not many questions after 1000+ reads. I'm hoping this format is working so I can get some other stuff posted. I think the pictures tell alot.

As with anything else, there seems to be a couple diff types of ceramic being used.
The one type is as hard as any kind I've seen and drilling it seems pointless when you can replace the wire easily with a pretty much trouble free setup.

Thanks for the suggestions put here that have worked for you so far.
Remember that no way is the perfect way for everyone. If you have replaced a step by doing another method, get it posted here.
 

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Thanks all, doing the best I can with it and working on a couple other things.
So far, not many questions after 1000+ reads. I'm hoping this format is working so I can get some other stuff posted. I think the pictures tell alot.

As with anything else, there seems to be a couple diff types of ceramic being used.
The one type is as hard as any kind I've seen and drilling it seems pointless when you can replace the wire easily with a pretty much trouble free setup.

Thanks for the suggestions put here that have worked for you so far.
Remember that no way is the perfect way for everyone. If you have replaced a step by doing another method, get it posted here.
Question?
What effect would using a lower gauge wire have on the coil?Say 34 g or even (shudder cringe..) 32G?? Hmmmm Prolly use more power but what else? Using a 5v system now. Would it power the coil??:confused:
 
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Vape from what I have gathered the main reason for atty failure is breakage of the coil , ( what have you found ? ) if this is the case going to a 35 gage wire would double the breaking strength of the atty due to use and over heating etc. ( 36 works too obviously ! )

How has the life been on these rebuilt attys ?

The 35 gage is 20 ohms/ft so 1/2 of the 38 gage , also a Horseshoe design should work to fit into the cup.

Any thoughts on this ?
 

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Thats where you need to know the ohms per ft.
38ga is 27ohms per ft. or 2.25ohms per inch.
32ga is 10.6 ohms per ft. or .883ohms per inch.
HV coils are usually abt 4.5ohms.
That would be 2 inches of 38ga. or 5 inches of 32ga.
5 inches is a lot of wire to wrap and stuff in an atty.
How would power consumption be affected?:confused:
 

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Buzz,
Most attys stop due to a break in the coil wire. 2 places are the most common, near the solder joint and in the middle under all the carbon.
The middle gets hot first so it gets the worst case heat duration and hiest temperature. The point of short circuit.
I have attys that have been used daily still running after 4 months. Making and testing new ones all the time keeps certain ones from the normal daily abuse they need.
Most of mine fail due to build up from the liquid and just a coil to buried in carbon to get the heat exposed.
I would like to find a good source for 35 or 36ga.
I have tried a couple different design, including a horseshoe. The problem with it is its not in the direct feed path being splattered by mist.
If you notice any dead one you've taken apart, most are buldged in the middle with carbon. As I said, this is the hottest place on the coil the most often. Many times the ends of the coil can look new because they arent in the feed path. This is where the horseshoe fails IMO. I have made ones that look like stove burners, even pulling the center up like a dunce cap. They all collapse and short out under the heat very quickly.
That doesnt mean it wont work for you. Try different combos and see what is working and what fails.

rbonie,
If the voltage and ohms are kept the same, the power draw is the same. It doesnt matter what size(dia) or length the wire is.
 

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Buzz,
Most attys stop due to a break in the coil wire. 2 places are the most

rbonie,
If the voltage and ohms are kept the same, the power draw is the same. It doesnt matter what size(dia) or length the wire is.

You may remember I'm working with cartomizers right now, (just because I have so #$@$ many dead ones lying around), The coil is upright in the center of wicking stuff, (using different materials to see what works the longest), . I tried filling the coil with silica rope wick and , after I killed it, the wick was toast.Real burnt up and tasted terrible. Think this is just abuse ? Could the metal foam stuff from my old 510 's work instead?
 

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Try these guys Litz Wire Nichrome Magnet Wire Ultra fine Magnet Wire Tungsten
also http://www.resistancewire.com/mainpage.php?page=home

not sure of the min. order
I havent made any yet but the burnout ratio is ridiculous IMO even on a 5v Pass Thru !

Have you tried a DUnce cap design that sits just under the bridge ? I am not that familiar with the wicking path so this could be a bad idea ?

I just feel that a new design that can be mass produced is needed and there is definitely a market for a long lasting atty !! @ $15-20 each , I mean if an atty will last 3-4 months WTH .

Anyhow you seem to have the most expirience here so talking to you directly seemed like a good idea.

I would like to find a design that can be made in QTY for the public , I know they have done a lot in the area of HV or realistically High resistance attys , but this does not address the breakage problem .

Thanks for the feedback !!

Also look at this wire Resistance Heating Wire Iron-Chrome-Aluminum (Fe-Cr-Al) it is designed for high stress high temp applications http://www.resistancewire.com/Html/Technical/AlloyDataTables/PDFDocs/ADT2001.12.17.KAF.ENG.pdf

I sent an e-mail to them to ask what would be the best wire for this application maybe they have some insight that we dont know of ?
 
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You may remember I'm working with cartomizers right now, (just because I have so #$@$ many dead ones lying around), The coil is upright in the center of wicking stuff, (using different materials to see what works the longest), . I tried filling the coil with silica rope wick and , after I killed it, the wick was toast.Real burnt up and tasted terrible. Think this is just abuse ? Could the metal foam stuff from my old 510 's work instead?
My latest effort.... ugly ain't it
 

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rbonie,
I remember. I still havent stripped a cartomizers yet.
How did you fry silica rope???? 1 ohm on 10v?
I cant comment on the metal foam, the leads in your pic look pretty exposed.
A dead shorted batt would be hard on it and maybe you too!
A single strip down one side may fair well to saturate the bottom of the cart quickly.
Thats not ugly.

Buzz,
I tried a Dunce in an 801 with 34ga. It collapsed very quickly. It was wickless since virtually nothing could get by. It did vape well for abt 4 draws. There is always a better mouse trap somewhere. My airfoil designs have lasted 4months easy. Still going.
This thread is a tutorial for people wanting to learn to rebuild and share thier designs that actually work. I dont make or sell attys for public, just want as many to know how that can, or they can help others once they know.
The atomizer is no doubt the weak link in the PV as we know it.
There are some good ideas being worked on in other threads on here.

We face a bad situation when you heat something and blast it with a cool mist repeatedly. Hot, cold, very hot, cold....hardening, oxidation and stress fractures.
Factory wire is finer than 38ga. and it takes little abuse.
What we have is a functional design. Is it a great one, no.
It's better than nothing and we are making them better.
 
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