How to make a Micro-Gen... The smallest Genisis atomizer.
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It looks pretty darn similar in design to me. The only difference is a longer denser ss wick that pokes into a Ego drip-tip style tank. It is semi-easy to mod an ego-c atomizer into a similar thing. Vertical SS wick going into an ego type tank. While this version has the ss wick going around a bolt.
I really like the micro-gen concept so far! I'm more of a cotton wick kinda guy anyway... Will have to toss one of these together to try and use as a cotton dripper.
Anyone have a thought on ways to put a tank on / around such a microgen system?
I really like the micro-gen concept so far! I'm more of a cotton wick kinda guy anyway... Will have to toss one of these together to try and use as a cotton dripper.
Anyone have a thought on ways to put a tank on / around such a microgen system?
They only look similar because of the size and the fact that they both have vertical coils and wicks. That's where the similarity ends...
The Picullisci feeds from the top down and has its coil close to the base. If you were to direct drip on the Picullisci, you'd flood the coil with more than a few drops, by submerging it.
The micro-gen, on the other hand, has the coil at the top and feeds from the bottom up similar to a traditional genisis design. The distance from the base allows 10 to 12 drops at a time without drowning the coil.
The micro-gen also has the pos terminal running through the center of the wick allowing for more wick material options (basically anything with a hollow center). The Picullisci needs a wick that's stiff enough the penetrate the tank hole.
As for a tank... Yea, I've put lots of thought into it. Lots of possibilities but none of them are practical. The fact that it relies on air flow from the side makes it impractical at at best. A short tank that leaves the air hole exposed would work but I think it would look goofy, at least in my opinion.
I'm not saying they are the same thing... I'm just saying it would be very easy to turn this micro-gen idea into a PiculiSci clone.
It would be easy enough to have the micro-gen coil built near the bottom... Have the center post bolt only go up a short ways... Then replace the drip tip with a Joyetech 510-T Empty Cartridge... Line up the SS wick with the drip tip and your there.
Or a joytech eroll cartridge or an empty ecab cartridge
That leaves you with a SS wick penetrating a tank from the top. I was just saying that an ego-c system can be converted into functioning the same way that the PiculiSci does. I have done it. However I was not able to stop it from flooding. The situation may be quite different by taking the 'metal spike' out of the picture completely. (I'm not saying the PiculiSci leaks... just that the ego-c set up in a similar fashion certainly does...)
It is very possible to leave the airflow through the bottom of the device like a cartomizer originally was...
It would be easy enough to have the micro-gen coil built near the bottom... Have the center post bolt only go up a short ways... Then replace the drip tip with a Joyetech 510-T Empty Cartridge... Line up the SS wick with the drip tip and your there.
Or a joytech eroll cartridge or an empty ecab cartridge
That leaves you with a SS wick penetrating a tank from the top. I was just saying that an ego-c system can be converted into functioning the same way that the PiculiSci does. I have done it. However I was not able to stop it from flooding. The situation may be quite different by taking the 'metal spike' out of the picture completely. (I'm not saying the PiculiSci leaks... just that the ego-c set up in a similar fashion certainly does...)
It is very possible to leave the airflow through the bottom of the device like a cartomizer originally was...
All very true... Then again it wouldn't be a "micro-gen"...
The combination of the 510 to 808D adapter and the drilled out 808D carto tube opens the door to lots of possibilities. <Not my idea originally... Buzz Killa gets credit for figuring that out.>
Personally, if I were to going to use the combo to make something that goes into a tank, I'd follow a design that's closer to that of the Diver.
Very true... But I'd think you'd want to switch to a horizontal coil layout if you wanted to do that.
I put my MG (originally .75 Ohms, now .78 after a couple weeks; pretty good - one cleaning) on a DNA20 to get a better insight on power to resistance with the MG.
At 15w its right at 3.7v (.8 Ohms)....
at first I liked the draw on your tube Jas (looks like 1.5+ mm?) I'll bet lots like that for more air flow, but I'd go for a little less .
At 15w its right at 3.7v (.8 Ohms)....
at first I liked the draw on your tube Jas (looks like 1.5+ mm?) I'll bet lots like that for more air flow, but I'd go for a little less .
That what I like about using the 808D carto tubes. You can make different tubes with different hole sizes and different locations.
It's pretty tripy how a millimeter or two change in vertical hole placement changes the vape.
Since I started playing w KFL and switching back and forth between the two, the 1/16 air hole does feel airy.
It's pretty tripy how a millimeter or two change in vertical hole placement changes the vape.
Since I started playing w KFL and switching back and forth between the two, the 1/16 air hole does feel airy.
It is indeed amazing to experience how the tiniest air hole adjustment makes such a huge difference in the vape. My first 3-4 micro-gens tasted like burning hell.. Pretty much because the air hole was 1-2mm above or below the coil or the air stream just wasn't hitting my coils perfectly.
I've really been thinking lately of working the same hardware in a different direction...
In theory such a layout could give really optimal airflow to the coils... And would also be very tank friendly.
So more like a genesis/clearomizer hybrid. I haven't got it working 100% perfectly yet... Waiting on my order of mesh to come in the mail... But I am making serious progress. So far I have been making the large coil with 27 gauge nichrome(for sturdiness), but I think using a 'SS mesh tube' with a 28-30 gauge coil wrapped on it may help the air paths stability and give better performance.
I've really been thinking lately of working the same hardware in a different direction...
In theory such a layout could give really optimal airflow to the coils... And would also be very tank friendly.
So more like a genesis/clearomizer hybrid. I haven't got it working 100% perfectly yet... Waiting on my order of mesh to come in the mail... But I am making serious progress. So far I have been making the large coil with 27 gauge nichrome(for sturdiness), but I think using a 'SS mesh tube' with a 28-30 gauge coil wrapped on it may help the air paths stability and give better performance.
Picture or it never happened... Lets see what done so far. I'm always interested in seeing someone else's take on the idea.
I can't read the label on the left but it looks like a punched Bogue style carto. It'll be interesting to see what you come up with.
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Hey Jasl90. Great build. Gosh I haven't been on here in FOREVER!
I agree that the Piculisci is very different from this. N since you can make it yourself, it's nowhere near as cool. (although I am trying to figure out how to make said Piculisci myself, hehe).
On the tank thing... Why would you want to make this tank compatible? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the whole idea behind this Micro-Gen in the first place was too make a genesis that is as small as an atty. The idea of creating an amazing vape that still had the ease and small form factor of the "unmentionables" that we all smoked, is what I think all of us wanted when we first started vaping. I know I did. I know I found a 4081 auto batt that was exactly the same size as my smokes, but it worked like CRAP.
Many mods and LOTS of dollars later, I still think that it would be super cool to make something that kicks ... much ... as my RDAs and Gennys, but retains the small form factor as my first love, the SI Volt. THAT, my friend, will revolutionize vaping and help take it to the next level.
I can't help but feel like we are coming out of the American Muscle Car days of ecigs and are just now pondering about the next gen powerhouses that are affordable, efficient and still able to keep up with a Ferrari. I'm so excited!
I agree that the Piculisci is very different from this. N since you can make it yourself, it's nowhere near as cool. (although I am trying to figure out how to make said Piculisci myself, hehe).
On the tank thing... Why would you want to make this tank compatible? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the whole idea behind this Micro-Gen in the first place was too make a genesis that is as small as an atty. The idea of creating an amazing vape that still had the ease and small form factor of the "unmentionables" that we all smoked, is what I think all of us wanted when we first started vaping. I know I did. I know I found a 4081 auto batt that was exactly the same size as my smokes, but it worked like CRAP.
Many mods and LOTS of dollars later, I still think that it would be super cool to make something that kicks ... much ... as my RDAs and Gennys, but retains the small form factor as my first love, the SI Volt. THAT, my friend, will revolutionize vaping and help take it to the next level.
I can't help but feel like we are coming out of the American Muscle Car days of ecigs and are just now pondering about the next gen powerhouses that are affordable, efficient and still able to keep up with a Ferrari. I'm so excited!
Thank you sir! It's always nice to get positive feedback.
If you're looking to do something along the lines of Piculli, it's definitely doable.
Here's how I'd do it...
1) Attach the neg post the same way I described on the 1st page of this thread.
2) Leave the barb attached to the pos pin of 510/808 adapter and solder a either an IC pin or solid copper wire to the barb section so that it points out to the side.
3) Bend it out and then up so that there is distance between the neg & pos posts. Just don't go so far out that you make contact with the adapter itself or the carto tube when it's attached.
4) Decide if you want the center screw... I wouldn't be absolutely necessary but it would add rigidity when trying to get the wick into the tank...
5) Lock everything into place with a drop or two of JB-Weld to fill up the base of the adapter.
I'm not actually... I'm just one of those people who likes taking on challenges and trying to figure things out. Then the question comes up, my brain automatically strarts trying to figure out an answer... The whole reason for doing this (or at least how I got started) was because I was in search of the smallest RBA out there and stumbled onto a thread where Meat Sneakers was building a tiny RBA using an RCA jack. In that same thread BuzzKilla got the idea to simplify things by using a 510 to 808 adapter and a 808 carto.
If anything, the idea would be to come up with a tank that is compatible with the Micro-Gen (not the other way around).
Making the Micro-Gen compatible with a tank would be easy... Just copy the Killer or the Diver. Both would be easy enough to do.
Good analogy...
I think, at this point, the real limitation is the battery size... Until something revolutionary happens, we will continue to have to strike a balance between size and performance. I would LOVE to get the performance of a 26650 high drain battery in something the size of my old V2 but I don't foresee that happening anytime in the near future. In the meantime, I compromise by using devices that use 18 mm batteries.
an 18350 or 18500 is a good compromise, but unless the current form factor can be DIY easy enough (ymmv), it will have stiff competition from the $ cheap but functional iGo L et al... current chinese drippers are a dime a doz... and can blast clouds pretty easy.
Interest in MG's would be increased with 1. a tank for sure! and 2. a b/f version for Reo's
Thank you for the insight. As I was reading your description, I was like DUHHHHHHH, that would totally work and should be fairly simple considering what I thought it would entail.
Now you got me staring at my old G4 clearomizers. I broke one apart the other day when I first started looking for ways to do this.
Lol... I throw nothing away... Everything is fair game to be used as pieces and parts for something else. Those clearos should have all kinds of good bits.
I'm curious to see what you come up with!
I'm curious to see what you come up with!
Dude, I've got so many "on-going projects"... My GF is going to kill me soon if I don't finish them! "What the heck is this piece of wood for? What are you doing with your collection of broken, sawed off empty cartos, eh MR?".
But yes, footy, or in this case photo, or it didn't happen.
Lol... I've got the spare bedroom of my apartment converted into a little workshop. It's been dubbed the "bomb factory"...
No actual bombs have been made...
No actual bombs have been made...
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Jasl, b/f Micro Gen on my Reo Grand tonight..... boom!
.75 Ohms... no problem. awesome Jasl
btw Reo is coming out with a "sub ohms kit" for Reo.... possible .40 gain from standard setup.
New spring and pos firing pin....
I think Rob is going to set all the applicable models up with these out the door.
In about a month... waiting.
.75 Ohms... no problem. awesome Jasl
btw Reo is coming out with a "sub ohms kit" for Reo.... possible .40 gain from standard setup.
New spring and pos firing pin....
I think Rob is going to set all the applicable models up with these out the door.
In about a month... waiting.
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