Man Severely Injured After eCigarette Blows Up In His Face

[Robino1]

I stand corrected. It's been a while since viewing the video

 

[Racehorse]

I think he should be charged with wreckless endangerment and attempted arson. Punish him for his carelessness, make an example out of him

Sounds like some weird, sociopathic form of "prison justice".............

 

[tj99959]

Why should all responsible people be restricted because of a few?

You do not know what's best for me.
I do.
If people actually educated themselves before using mechanicals we would not see any of these stories in the media.

I'm for common sense and education, not controlling others with restrictions and bans.

Because the problem is so easily avoidable is why. Hell, use 1/2" pipe thread! ANYTHING instead of 510!
Hell, look at your computer, it would be pretty damn hard to plug the wrong plug in the wrong socket!

 

[stevegmu]

Because the problem is so easily avoidable is why. Hell, use 1/2" pipe thread! ANYTHING instead of 510!

But the mod has to be cheap to make and look pretty...

 

[tj99959]

But the mod has to be cheap to make and look pretty...

Making new top caps for the mods would be no problem at all (would cost less than a buck to make)

The problem would be getting topper producers to agree on a new design/thread size for hybrid atomizers when the majority of their buyers don't use hybrids.

 

[stevegmu]

Making new top caps for the mods would be no problem at all (would cost less than a buck to make)

The problem would be getting topper producers to agree on a new design/thread size for hybrid atomizers when the majority of their buyers don't use hybrids.

Most manufacturers don't care one bit what happens after they get their $. These new vapers also think they need a hybrid because it will give them an edge in competition cloud chasing...
House of Hybrids knew the 510 is too puny for heavy tanks, so went with their own threading, as did ProVape with P3 and the Classic. It is a more expensive connection to make on both ends- mod and toppers. Most vapers just want something they think looks good and is cheap and most vendors know this, hence why 510 is here to stay...

 

[tj99959]

Most manufacturers don't care one bit what happens after they get their $. These new vapers also think they need a hybrid because it will give them an edge in competition cloud chasing...
House of Hybrids knew the 510 is too puny for heavy tanks, so went with their own threading, as did ProVape with P3 and the Classic. It is a more expensive connection to make on both ends- mod and toppers. Most vapers just want something they think looks good and is cheap and most vendors know this, hence why 510 is here to stay...

It would be less expensive once mod manufacturers figured out that they don't even need a top cap if it's the base of the atty that becomes the top cap. PLUS it would be even more efficient (less voltage drop) than a hybrid top cap.

 

[Lessifer]

Most manufacturers don't care one bit what happens after they get their $. These new vapers also think they need a hybrid because it will give them an edge in competition cloud chasing...
House of Hybrids knew the 510 is too puny for heavy tanks, so went with their own threading, as did ProVape with P3 and the Classic. It is a more expensive connection to make on both ends- mod and toppers. Most vapers just want something they think looks good and is cheap and most vendors know this, hence why 510 is here to stay...

I think it's more along the lines of, do you want some possibly better but somewhat proprietary connecting(think Apple lightning cable) or do you want something that pretty much anything can plug into(micro usb)? Some will say the ease of knowing THIS plugs into THAT is better, some say the universal connection is better.

 

[stevegmu]

I think it's more along the lines of, do you want some possibly better but somewhat proprietary connecting(think Apple lightning cable) or do you want something that pretty much anything can plug into(micro usb)? Some will say the ease of knowing THIS plugs into THAT is better, some say the universal connection is better.

ProVari with P3 threading also come with a 510 conversion kit...

 

[stevegmu]

It would be less expensive once mod manufacturers figured out that they don't even need a top cap if it's the base of the atty that becomes the top cap. PLUS it would be even more efficient (less voltage drop) than a hybrid top cap.

But the kids will still want to put a subtank on a hybrid because it looks so cool. There already are hybrid mods and attys which are designed to go with them...

 

[tj99959]

ProVari with P3 threading also come with a 510 conversion kit...

Which is also pretty easy to do with most hybrid mechanical.
The Stingray normally comes with two top caps. (one with & one without a center pin)

 

[Stubby]

I don't think mechs will go away, because there is a market for them, not the least part of which is those worried about the availability of hardware after regulation begins.

With knowledge they can be as safe as a regulated device, though some are better than others, just as some regulated devices are better than others.

Pointing to the few incidents of harm related to mechs and saying people should no longer use them is akin to pointing to the number of people who die each year due to being trapped in a submerged vehicle by a seatbelt and saying people should no longer wear them. There is a potential for harm, that potential can be mitigated by knowledge and experience. I don't think this is a "big problem" for THR, though it is one of the more fear inspiring topics. One would hope that fear would inspire people to learn about safety, but people are lazy.

If you read through the earlier part of this thread you might get a better grasp of the reality of this issue. Many vape shops are pushing mechs, and worse pushing them onto newbies, largely because of high profit margins, plus the fact that using 20 something milliliters a day of low nic liquid is a lot more profitable then someone using 3 to 5 of high nic.

You can preach all you want about safety (though saying a well designed mech is as safe as a well designed regulated shows a fundamental ignorance of electronics), but only a small percentage of people buying mechs ever visit ECF. They are not properly educated on safety so the inevitable happens, and will continue to happen. There is little doubt it is happening a lot more then what we are hearing about.

As mentioned earlier by Baditude, someone who actually does know about safety, even many regulated devices are getting less safe. Unlike mechs that are largely driven by the industry (vape meets, which are the nothing more then an industry show case, always have cloud competitions, and in a bizarre twist regulated devices are not allowed), the failings of regulated are largely driven by consumers. How many times have we read that there is no deference between a cheap XX watt device and an expensive XX watt device. Watts are watts, right! Of course there is very likely a huge difference in the safety protocols between them, but that is rarely mentioned, or if it is, it is considered unimportant, or worse yet ridiculed. Just give me 100 watts for under a $100, and industry is playing along, and we the people are playing right along with them. It's a dance to the bottom.

 

[stevegmu]

Which is also pretty easy to do with any hybrid mechanical.

But little Johnny fears he will lose the competition if he has a fraction of a volt lost due to voltage drop through the adapter...

 

[stevegmu]

If you read through the earlier part of this thread you might get a better grasp of the reality of this issue. Many vape shops are pushing mechs, and worse pushing them onto newbies, largely because of high profit margins, plus the fact that using 20 something milliliters a day of low nic liquid is a lot more profitable then someone using 3 to 5 of high nic.

You can preach all you want about safety (though saying a well designed mech is as safe as a well designed regulated shows a fundamental ignorance of electronics), but only a small percentage of people buying mechs ever visit ECF. They are not properly educated on safety so the inevitable happens, and will continue to happen. There is little doubt it is happening a lot more then what we are hearing about.

As mentioned earlier by Baditude, someone who actually does know about safety, even many regulated devices are getting less safe. Unlike mechs that are largely driven by the industry (vape meets, which are the nothing more then an industry show case, always have cloud competitions, and in a bizarre twist regulated devices are not allowed), the failings of regulated are largely driven by consumers. How many times have we read that there is no deference between a cheap XX watt device and an expensive XX watt device. Watts are watts, right! Of course there is very likely a huge difference in the safety protocols between them, but that is rarely mentioned, or if it is, it is considered unimportant, or worse yet ridiculed. Just give me 100 watts for under a $100, and industry is playing along, and we the people are playing right along with them. It's a dance to the bottom.

This is true. My guess is ProVape is building their boards to Class 2 or even 3 specs, while the others to Class 1. There is a big difference...

 

[crxess]

yes but if you have a tear on the wrap the you get a hard short instead of an autofire

From?????

Negative rides the top Center pin
Negative rides the body(but wrapped)
Negative rides the outer switch housing.

None of that, exposed will cause a short in a flipped configuration.

Battery Plus aligns with switch center pin

 

[Lessifer]

If you read through the earlier part of this thread you might get a better grasp of the reality of this issue. Many vape shops are pushing mechs, and worse pushing them onto newbies, largely because of high profit margins, plus the fact that using 20 something milliliters a day of low nic liquid is a lot more profitable then someone using 3 to 5 of high nic.

You can preach all you want about safety (though saying a well designed mech is as safe as a well designed regulated shows a fundamental ignorance of electronics), but only a small percentage of people buying mechs ever visit ECF. They are not properly educated on safety so the inevitable happens, and will continue to happen. There is little doubt it is happening a lot more then what we are hearing about.

As mentioned earlier by Baditude, someone who actually does know about safety, even many regulated devices are getting less safe. Unlike mechs that are largely driven by the industry (vape meets, which are the nothing more then an industry show case, always have cloud competitions, and in a bizarre twist regulated devices are not allowed), the failings of regulated are largely driven by consumers. How many times have we read that there is no deference between a cheap XX watt device and an expensive XX watt device. Watts are watts, right! Of course there is very likely a huge difference in the safety protocols between them, but that is rarely mentioned, or if it is, it is considered unimportant, or worse yet ridiculed. Just give me 100 watts for under a $100, and industry is playing along, and we the people are playing right along with them. It's a dance to the bottom.

It's always nice how you assume ignorance and an air of condescension. Judging from the volume of new member mech related posts, and new member high wattage box mod posts, I think the industry has swayed back away from pushing mechs. Of course it's a limited sample size and there are still vendors who will sell a newbie a mech without a second thought.

If you read my post you will see that I said with the proper knowledge a mech can be as safe as a regulated device. They both have points of failure, they tend to be different points.

None of that has anything to do with harming the THR movement. Even if there were never another equipment failure, those against thr would still be against it, for their own reasons.

 

[Mooch]

This is true. My guess is ProVape is building their boards to Class 2 or even 3 specs, while the others to Class 1. There is a big difference...

Agreed. Though I would be stunned to find out that any vaping-related company had the budget for Class 3 inspection. Would be wonderful though!

In my opinion design is a huge factor too. In our demand for small devices the manufacturers have had to make huge compromises in designing for reliability and safety. Frankly, I'm stunned that most last as long as they do. Though, regulated mod owners saying they're happy about the one year (or so) of life they got out of their mod makes me pretty angry at these companies. I would normally consider that to be a either very bad product design or lousy assembly QC...or both.

 

[KentA]

THR?


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

THR/Thr can mean one of the following:

• Tim Harvey, Tim Harvey Racing - the business of racing driver Tim Harvey
• Threonine, one of the 20 standard amino acids
• Time Highway Radio, the former name of THR.FM, a private radio station in Malaysia
• Target Heart Rate
• Mehrabad Airport, Tehran, Iran
• Total Hip Replacement operation
• Through-hole reflow soldering (or "pin and paste" or "paste in hole"): process of mounting through-hole electronic components using the reflow process
• The Hollywood Reporter, a trade publication of the U.S. entertainment industry
• Tony Hawk: Ride, a skateboarding video game.
• Team Columbia Highroad, the UCI code for the professional road bicycle racing team
• Times Herald-Record, a newspaper in upstate New York

 

[stevegmu]

Agreed. Though I would be stunned to find out that any vaping-related company had the budget for Class 3 inspection. Would be wonderful though!

In my opinion design is a huge factor too. In our demand for small devices the manufacturers have had to make huge compromises in designing for reliability and safety. Frankly, I'm stunned that most last as long as they do. Though, regulated mod owners saying they're happy about the one year (or so) of life they got out of their mod makes me pretty angry at these companies. I would normally consider that to be a either very bad product design or lousy assembly QC...or both.

I do microsection testing of circuit boards now and testing is just part of the production and QA process. It is more of how the board is made, although there are extra steps in the testing process. My guess would be Class 2. Class 3 is mostly used for satellites, aircraft and weapons systems, but given ProVape's commitment to safety, I wouldn't be surprised if they designed the board to Class 3 specs. ..

 

[crxess]

But little Johnny fears he will lose the competition if he has a fraction of a volt lost due to voltage drop through the adapter...

I think there is a Prague in your throat.

I read the words but they rarely carry any useful information.

Limited experience(0) pretty much limits actual knowledge on which to base ones opinions.
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