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Marriott Fines Guest for Vaping

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  1. kristin

    kristin Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 16, 2009
    CASAA - Wisconsin
    It's one thing to be arrogant and purposefully incite confrontation - I never suggested that people should vape against the wishes of the property owner - but it's another to do something which is perfectly legal and allowed by the owner of the establishment. Smoking is banned in bars in my state, yet many bar owners allow vaping because vaping is not prohibited by law. The more smokers who see me vaping, the more who may convert, the more establishments may encourage it and the less likely that e-cigarettes would be added to smoking bans. But based on what you said (that you won't vape anywhere smoking isn't allowed) wouldn't you still agree that my vaping in a bar under the conditions defined above are acceptable? Just because I say I would vape where smoking isn't allowed doesn't mean I would have to automatically be rude, arrogant or inappropriate. There is a huge difference of vaping where the law says you cannot smoke (when there is no law prohibiting vaping) and vaping where the establishment or business asks you not to vape.
  2. TennDave

    TennDave Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 19, 2010
    Knoxville, TN
    So, what was the outcome- did the lady get her refund?
  3. StotheK

    StotheK Reviewer / Blogger ECF Veteran

    Apr 1, 2011
    Last contact I had with her back in December, she disputed the charges with her card company (and I believe they refunded her), nothing from anyone at Marriott.
  4. Thulium

    Thulium Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    If that is true, why don't you just quit now? I don't mean to be flippant, but if quitting is as easy as just letting the government force you to do something, why wouldn't you save yourself the trouble and try doing it yourself?

    It is important to consider the reason FOR a ban before agreeing to it. In the case of smoking, there are SOME valid reasons to ban it: Lighting something on fire and inhaling/exhaling the smoke carries risks to bystanders as well as users so it makes sense to prohibit it in enclosed spaces or near ventilation or potential fire hazards--especially when children and/or non-smoking employees are chronically exposed, but none of the valid reasons to ban smoking can logically be applied to products that are not lit on fire and produce no smoke Unfortunately, that ISN'T the reason behind the "upgrading" of the smoking bans that is making its way around the country every legislative session: The "new"* reasoning for bans outdoors, in vehicles, private property, or adult establishments is driven by the idea that smoking needs to be discouraged entirely which inevitably leads to the demonization and downright persecution of people who are unwilling or unable to permanently stop consuming tobacco in any form....especially if the difference between the risks of smoking and the alleged "potential risks" of other methods of consuming tobacco is successfully confused by anti-tobacco propaganda. If your goal is to, er, "pressure" smokers into quitting and/or discourage non-users from starting, it MIGHT make sense to ban something that simply looks like smoking simply to reinforce the negative stereotype...:evil:...but that is the sort of decision that should be left to the property owner in any land claiming to protect the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness/property....don't you think? :nun:

    I understand and have a certain respect for people who will only use their e-cig where smoking is permitted, but personally I LOVE vaping at the gas station!:vapor: I don't even feel obliged to stealth vape--ya need something to get rid of the smell of gasoline! ;)

    *It's not really new, much of this "Tobacco Control" ideology is based on the Machiavellian tactics of denormalization and persecution of minorities, including smokers, that Adolf Hitler advocated for the National Socialist Party of Germany. A former smoker himself, Adolf was literally the first Anti-smoking Nazi. :admin:
  5. Jammin

    Jammin Super Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 16, 2010
    Washington DC
    Because, I don't FEEL like quitting now. I am not an antagonist about vaping, and do it respectfully. I think that is the BEST way I will play my part in keeping it from being banned. I will always speak up about it when I feel it is the right thing to do, but I simply do not have a desire to protest on the streets to be able to vape anywhere and everywhere I want. I have a different style of supporting things that I am in favor of.

    And this is about as far as I am going with debating this particular topic. I am not going to defend my style of vaping, but also am not going to have people tell me "why don't you just quit now". Because that is my business, and personal.. Those of you who will continue to vape at places that smoking is prohibited are free to do so, and you don't hear me telling you what you should do.

    My reason for posting on this thread, and will continue to keep it ON topic, is that I think that is a person reserves a room at a hotel that has a no vaping policy, don't vape. Find another hotel. They do have a right to set that policy.
  6. rielevilnside

    rielevilnside Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 11, 2012
    Renton Washington
    We have a ban in King county washington that also does not allow ecig use indoors. However some of my favorite establishments bars mainly allow with permission for me to use my ecig as long as I don't draw alot of attention. It is a shame that as "quitters" we are still treated like we are smoking cuban cigars on government property. Slowly but surely we are fighting the good fight all over to win the acceptance that is Ecigs are not lethal and in some cases can smell quite pleasant. Hope the end of that story went well.
  7. Thulium

    Thulium Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    I understand where you're coming from, but my point is that if you are basically just waiting for the government to force you to quit, you might as well just quit now instead of waiting for someone to put a proverbial or literal gun to your head. I have a hard time understanding why people think that turning addicts into criminals will do anything positive.

    I'm not telling you to quit, I respect your decision to only vape where you would smoke...I was simply asking why you are waiting for the government to force you to quit.

    The hotel has a right to set that policy, but they have no way to enforce it. How would the hotel even know that you used a smoke-free product in your room??
  8. Petrodus

    Petrodus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2010
    Exactly !!!!
    When I travel...I vape (huge clouds) in my room
    There's less smell than after shave, perfume, or a pizza for that matter.
    I don't know of any juice that has the smell of burning tobacco.

    The thought of anyone afraid to vape in their hotel room is embarrassing.
  9. kristin

    kristin Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 16, 2009
    CASAA - Wisconsin
    The hotel didn't have a "no vaping" policy. It had a no smoking policy that they used as a basis to charge a person an excessive fee even though that person wasn't smoking. Nowhere was is posted or written that use of an electronic cigarette was prohibited.

    That's like having a no pets policy and charge and then telling guests after the fact that their kid's stuffed talking dog counts as a "pet," so they have to pay the charge.

    Yes, the hotel has a right to forbid activities on it's property, but it doesn't have a right to not tell a guest that the activity is prohibited and then charge them a huge fine.
  10. cookiebun

    cookiebun Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 6, 2011
    Central Ohio
    I've tried vaping unflavored VG. The taste gets old quick.
    I wouldn't stay in a Marriot at all after hearing about this business.
  11. cookiebun

    cookiebun Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 6, 2011
    Central Ohio
    We use these where I work. They are good with what we call "the curry smell"
    Worth the investment.
  12. TennDave

    TennDave Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 19, 2010
    Knoxville, TN
    Later this month, I have reservations at a Marriott hotel for a few night....and just to think:

    I could have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.... :lol:
  13. Baldr

    Baldr Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 14, 2011
    Dallas, Tx
    As best I can tell, the hotel had a no smoking policy. The policy said nothing about vaping, but when they found someone vaping, they treated vaping the same as smoking.

    I agree with you that if they say "no vaping" or "no e-cig use" or similar, that you should either comply or take your business elsewhere. But that's a lot different from what happened.
  14. Errol

    Errol Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 4, 2010
    Salt lake City, Ut
    As I understand it Dave, Maryanne contested the charge with her credit card company, got the payment cancelled and Marriott never contested it.

  15. Dayvidpriddy

    Dayvidpriddy Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 22, 2011
    .... before I quit smoking when I would go to the beach for vacations (several times a year) the hotel I stayed at (Hyatt Ocean Front) had all the ocean front rooms designated as non-smoking but half of the room had previuosly been smoking rooms prior to the anti smoking craze that got stirred up earlier this centry...I didn't care. I would smoke in the room the entire time I was there, I brought along my roomies 600.00 vac, some nice carpet deoderizer and would clean the room from top to bottom before checking out, they never said a thing...I cleaned it that good! But back to your thread...

    I would tell Marriott to go .... themselves! They have no proof and can't do .... about it.
  16. Dayvidpriddy

    Dayvidpriddy Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 22, 2011
    How would you know if someone was "vaping?" It's not like it leaves an odor... People need to mind their own damn business these days, business's don't run the world and can easily be put in their place if need be.
  17. MattZuke

    MattZuke Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 28, 2011
    A, A

    The claim was the staff found the e-cigarette in her room, and "claimed" to smell smoke, and the guest explained she used an electronic cigarette.

    It's likely, giving Marriott the benefit of the doubt, they smelled smoke from elsewhere, presumed e-cigarettes smell the same, and fined the guest.

    More likely they saw an excuse to make an extra buck and took advantage of it.
  18. Dayvidpriddy

    Dayvidpriddy Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 22, 2011
    I understand perfectly, it's all about money. They saw a chance to make extra cash of the guest, and lied to do it. I would have called my cc company up and done a charge back, it's that simple. .... them
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