Max nic strength mod ruling

[the86d]

members are free to discuss high mg, as well as sell/buy/trade high mg within the classifieds.

That is not how I read it this morning... checking...

"It means that in public forums no mention can be made of nic liquids stronger than this, from now on."

"Moderators have instructions to delete references to over-strength liquids except in private trade forums."

Looks like EVERYONE to me... & every mention. Don't make us go to that Vapertalk trash! hehee

 

[esibby]

that would be my understanding also

 

[the86d]

Something of a ruckus here... this site is lagging BAD!

Nope... it's good again! Must have restarted rc.inetd (if Slackware, but I just don't know).

 

[ejoker]

to clarify again ... from the announcement (bold is my emphasis):

We have brought in a new ruling that the maximum nicotine strength for retail transactions on ECF is now 36mg.

 

[the86d]

Okay, thank you.

I am still scared to use the ">" words. hehee

<hovering>

I am going to have to create a "math-lab" or something if that stuff can't be shipped.

 

[the86d]

CRICKETS! CAN YOU HEAR THEM!?!?

(...Soooooo: Blip shall now be know as Atari7500/10, and Xtremevaping shall now be know as XbunchLive10000/10?)

<is dividing by zero█╚A╚█§ here>

 

[CJsKee]

Well...I can (more or less) understand ECF's position...BUT

Rolygate said:

"- there is an increased risk of injury due to spillage on the skin, or to children, with stronger eliquids
- there is a US law against postage of nicotine liquids of strength just above this, and we do not want to be seen to encourage people to evade this
- the max strength needed by retail customers for mixing is 36mg since it is rare to vape at over 30mg"

Just curious how this "need" of retail customers was determined and by whom?

 

[the86d]

Well...I can (more or less) understand ECF's position...
Just curious how this "need" of retail customers was determined and by whom?

Well some of us have a gallon of PG sitting in the cupboard, along with about the same of VG and it would be wasted.

Depending on the day I vape between 18mg and 36mg and my need (usually 24-36). I tend to use these all day long, too much. If I go higher, I get a discomfort, it feels more like smoking did, then nic and set the danged thing down. I barely get a TH with even 36mg, and this is my desire.

If I say have a 0mg juice I bought when I was confused, I can now add fewer drops to make the correct MG, and not dilute the flavor as much.

In the morn and eve I need more.

 

[rolygate]

@CJSkee
We don't make laws, when they are a direct attack on human rights they should be resisted. But unless you stop the laws being made, we are bound by them. You will see more and more pressure on us in this area because we are the most visible ecigarette presence in the world, and therefore the most likely to have action taken against us by somebody somewhere when the eventual weight of these laws makes this possible. Because of this we have to cover ourselves.

As I've said before, stop blaming ECF for laws and do something about it. Eventually you will have so many laws you will be told what time to get up in the morning, what to eat, and what time to go to bed. Don't blame us, you need to start looking where the blame lies.

 

[rolygate]

Just edited the Announcement because the wording was confusing (thanks to the folks here for pointing this out).

The restriction is on what Suppliers can advertise to the public here, not on discussion of the topic (as eJoker stated). We just need to avoid being in the position of allowing Suppliers to offer materials to the public that may be considered dangerous in some jurisdictions or may be illegal to ship in some jurisdictions.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Also, since ECF is the PV info monster of the world, all those organizations who seek to shut this stuff down also use this site. While some things posted are easily outrageous, even legitimate things can be taken out of context by these groups.....and they will use every piece of ammo they can scrounge up or twist around to achieve their goals. They already do this in many areas and they will get away with it. Misrepresentation has been the basis of many of the very laws we currently live under and pay for.

 

[the86d]

@CJSkee
We don't make laws, when they are a direct attack on human rights they should be resisted. But unless you stop the laws being made, we are bound by them. You will see more and more pressure on us in this area because we are the most visible ecigarette presence in the world, and therefore the most likely to have action taken against us by somebody somewhere when the eventual weight of these laws makes this possible. Because of this we have to cover ourselves.

As I've said before, stop blaming ECF for laws and do something about it. Eventually you will have so many laws you will be told what time to get up in the morning, what to eat, and what time to go to bed. Don't blame us, you need to start looking where the blame lies.

I know, and I didn't vote for him. hehee

I understand your position completely, I am just frustrated and I guess... venting.

I do everything I can from any Internet enabled device I have at my disposal, and I do not blame ECF for laws, I have PINKOS to blame for that. We fear change, it's hard not to want to resist.

I do thank all ECF associates, and Mods for all they have done for us... I guess the steam has worn off, a bit.

There is just some confusion on the forum due to the wording of the change, and the post from the Mod above as to what is allowed discussion and such.

 

[the86d]

So we ARE allowed to discuss >36MG here? Still?

Just not the vendors associated... or that they sell it.

I thought we were being silenced amongst ourselves, due to the wording.

Checking...

THANK YOU I WAS FLIPPING, AS EVERYONE WAS... This was the issue all along, the wording.

<sets the Prodigy V2 down now... and breathes deeply>

 

[smokum]

Thanks Roly for the amendment in choice of wording to appease the masses, and this post explaining it since I, and I'm sure many others, are relieved to hear this is what was meant.

Thought it was going to get pretty ugly around here, lol...

VapeOn,
Greg

 

[the86d]

All hail ECF!

Hip, Hip, Vape-On!

(Good thing it was a slow day here... or I would have been short, and loud around users.)

 

[AngusATAT]

Thought it was going to get pretty ugly around here, lol...

It's always one step away from getting ugly in here.

And when Elendil takes that one step inside....

 

[Hagbard Jones]

- there is a US law against postage of nicotine liquids of strength just above this, and we do not want to be seen to encourage people to evade this

Can we get a link to "this law"?

As far as I know the shipper has to have the permits to ship via USPS or use one of the non-USPS shipping methods that accept shipments of up to "PURE" nicotine with proper packaging.

 

[CJsKee]

@CJSkee
We don't make laws, when they are a direct attack on human rights they should be resisted. But unless you stop the laws being made, we are bound by them. You will see more and more pressure on us in this area because we are the most visible ecigarette presence in the world, and therefore the most likely to have action taken against us by somebody somewhere when the eventual weight of these laws makes this possible. Because of this we have to cover ourselves.

As I've said before, stop blaming ECF for laws and do something about it. Eventually you will have so many laws you will be told what time to get up in the morning, what to eat, and what time to go to bed. Don't blame us, you need to start looking where the blame lies.

@Roly -- just to be clear...I'm not "blaming" ECF for anything. I simply asked who/what decided that "need" (in other words, where did you get that info), because I wouldn't think ECF made it up.

And I know precisely where any blame lies. And why would you think I'm NOT doing anything about it?

Whatever you all decide is necessary is fine with me...I'm just a visitor here.

 

[Hagbard Jones]

Thanks Roly for the amendment in choice of wording to appease the masses, and this post explaining it since I, and I'm sure many others, are relieved to hear this is what was meant.

Thought it was going to get pretty ugly around here, lol...

VapeOn,
Greg

Where you live all liquid nicotine is illegal without proper permits, what difference does mg make?

"In Canada, as of March 2009, imports, sales, and advertising are banned. In March 2009, Health Canada also advised Canadians not to purchase or use any electronic smoking products. Health Canada cited the Food and Drugs Act, stating that electronic smoking products containing nicotine require market authorization before they can be imported, marketed, or sold. No market authorization has been granted for any electronic smoking product."

 

[smokum]

I was referring to the forum discussion level.

Regardless of my location, we have active suppliers skirting the "grey area's" of the law. I also order outside of my country (successfully to date).

And when the time comes (should it ever be necessary), I will be growing tobacco and extracting nicotine myself with the help of internationally available information on the net.

I don't really get if your trying to make a point or asking me an actual question.

VapeOn,
Greg