Max nic strength mod ruling

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mace bewley

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Well...I can (more or less) understand ECF's position...BUT

Rolygate said:

"- there is an increased risk of injury due to spillage on the skin, or to children, with stronger eliquids
- there is a US law against postage of nicotine liquids of strength just above this, and we do not want to be seen to encourage people to evade this
- the max strength needed by retail customers for mixing is 36mg since it is rare to vape at over 30mg"

Just curious how this "need" of retail customers was determined and by whom?

As someone who vapes 36mg, I too am interested in the answer to this question.
 

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just host the board off country.. I am not sure how the laws go in the UK.. I know in the US on a forum since it is a discussion board site owner is not held responsible for the posts..

most of the forums that we ran where on hacking and phone hacks.. so they are a bit more strict than e-cigs.. the only restriction was could not have programs for download for non-legal use.. so they where posted as monitor your own computer..
 

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We just need to avoid being in the position of allowing Suppliers to offer materials to the public that may be considered dangerous in some jurisdictions or may be illegal to ship in some jurisdictions.

Where you live all liquid nicotine is illegal without proper permits, what difference does mg make?

"In Canada, as of March 2009, imports, sales, and advertising are banned. In March 2009, Health Canada also advised Canadians not to purchase or use any electronic smoking products. Health Canada cited the Food and Drugs Act, stating that electronic smoking products containing nicotine require market authorization before they can be imported, marketed, or sold. No market authorization has been granted for any electronic smoking product."

DAng , I was about to question the same thing. Some places it's illegal to import any nicotine liquid and some places even hardware. ECF still allows the illegal sale of electronic devices which are being marketed without proper regulations ( CE and RoHs for eg, ) are they gonna be next on the hit list?
 

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the law? don't break the law? well states have banned e-cigs, Canada & other countries banned them. better get a muzzle on those members.
i never believed in that freedom of speech thing anyway.
nicotine overdose is on the rise, ban nicotine


It's only illegal to sell them without market authoriation for a new drug product (nicotine delivery device), in Canada, which has obviously many grey areas to utilize or it would be foolish for the existing suppliers in Canada to do so. It is however not illegal to own or use them personally even though HC has issued a "public advisory" on them.

It is however illegal to purchase or distribute a regulated substance (in this case: liguid nicotine), without the necessary permits and registration/certification as in laboratory use.

I don't know why many are getting so pissy about what ECF has decided is in their own best interests and choice of preferred direction really.

It is what it is..... don't like the party... find another playground. Simple choice, but those who leave ALWAYS find their way back for some reason or another.

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all states have different laws, some places you cannot buy booze, do we have any specific national law that is specific to sale , transport, possession of nicotine? i cannot find any. i have searched and cannot find anything regulating nicotine strength. except here on the forum.
and that statement about a vaper only needs 30-32 mg juice , thats whoooeeey. when i started to vape a year ago , i started with 36 and had to almost chain-vape to satisfy, i moved up to 48 for about 3 months, i have just now been able to work down to about 30 mg. most of that decrease is probably due to better equipment. ie; high voltage mod & lr atty's.
of course this is decided by the forum owner, it is his and he can do as he please's. i don't see where there is any liability on ECF part. so why regulate. it seems almost as if the FDA has infiltrated the ECF.

it's not broke, why fix it?
 

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This whole thread started because we thought we were being silenced (due to a "wording" issue) and we thought we were being dis-allowed to discuss the major factor why were are here, knowledge. This is not the case, it is only VENDORS (...and on the "suppliers' forums") are not allowed to post >36mg. It was just a huge misunderstanding, and had to be clarified (and "words fixed" in the new rule).
 
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ECF has to protect itself because it is the most visible ecigarette presence on the web. Remember, we have over 100,000 posts a month here and it's the first port of call for anyone looking up ecig data of all kinds. For example there are government staff whose duties include checking updates here.

We don't make laws but we are liable to suffer due to their implications. If people don't like the laws, they should do something about changing them. Please stop all this "ECF can do anything, it doesn't matter, it's just a website" - we are a very tempting target for all sorts of people out there. And people need to stop blaming ECF for laws. They are complaining uselessly to entirely the wrong group of people - preaching to the converted.

Our first duty is to protect ECF, think about what it would be like if ECF were shut down. By keeping things reasoned and safe, we protect ourselves and we protect you. This does mean we have to err on the side of caution but it's the only safe policy to ensure ECF is still here next year.

There is no rule that you cannot discuss eliquid recipes, or that you cannot go to your regular supplier and order your regular supplies. Luckily nobody can blame us if you do that.
 

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It is nice to see that ECF really cares and does everything they can to promote "all things e-cigarette" and the knowledge surrounding.

Without this 4um I would have never "been able to stay off of" the smokes, that's for dang-sure!

It is also nice to see that the staff is even active in the forums, it shows a continuing interest in keeping up, and keeping members happy too.
 
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