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Shining Wit

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...It's free advertising.

Maybe there's a solution and the more I think about this the more I like it!
I like to scan through the 'today's post' to keep up to date but because of the amount of posts, peaks because of time differences, my reluctance to sit here permanently and the amount of spam, it is hard to catch the interesting stuff.
Contrary to the quote above that it's free advertising, it isn't, as the sponsoring suppliers pay to have a presence on the forum and expect something in return. Also, sponsoring suppliers like to contribute in other areas, which seems fair enough, so they would still be allowed to join discussions as they do now and with the same restrictions.

Here's the deal:
Sponsors may only promote their products via their own forum and all of those forums will be under the 'suppliers' forums' umbrella. The only way to read those posts would be to go to the suppliers' forum and they would not show up on the 'todays' posts' section.
I just checked the 'todays' posts' and of the top 25 posts 8 are from suppliers with one supplier running 3 threads, so I agree it's time for a change.
The sponsoring suppliers' could be limited to one thread per day which would be confined to the suppliers' forum, it could even have its own brand new title - Give Us This Day Our Daily Thread!
All the old threads could be left in the archive for members to search if they wanted.
This would trim down and contain the advertising posts at least and make it easy to spot spam in other areas.
One question is whether any product specific threads should be in the suppliers' forum rather the general forum and I'm not sure about that - that's where discretion comes in.
So, that's one part of a possible solution, but sponsors might not be too happy about being 'contained', so here goes.........

At the top of every page, place a reasonably sized graphic with link to the sponsoring suppliers' page to encourage/assist potential customers to visit. Currently there are 84 suppliers on that page, many with their banners visible but around 20 without. Firstly, all those without banners should be invited to submit one or even ask for help on here which always results in lots of offers and designs. If they cannot provide a banner then there should be a standard template available (I would be happy to provide one) to put their name in rather than the 'BANNER NOT YET AVAILABLE' which looks as cheap as the 'Under Construction' signs which really bug me. It would look more professional all round.
I can already hear those suppliers who are near the bottom of the page saying 'no-one's gonna find me at the bottom!', so here's the perfect solution.
The Banner page is programmed to move down 5 rows every 15 minutes, ie you click the page and first see True Vapor down to New Smoke at the top of the page, then 15 minutes later the page starts with Smoke Without Fire down to iVapour at the top, then Smokeless Delite to The Vapour Store at the top etc. All of the banners will be there but it would mean everyone gets a share of top spot, cool innit?
I think it's a fair deal for the suppliers who all pay their monthly dues to get the same exposure. It would not be difficult to implement but if any help is needed to set up the self-updating banner page then let me know.

I just checked the 'today's posts' again and 7/25 are supplier threads, so we could reduce the excess by about a third with the above plan.
There is also the possibility that the 'today's posts' section could be changed to show just new threads and news items with all the other posts in their individual sections?
It must be worth some consideration, especially the banner page.
John C.

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Final count before I post, 11/25 posts are supplier posts.
I also checked on a few suppliers counts and it is true that some are prolific posters. If business is booming and their forums are so busy that they need to reply to 11 different threads (9 of which were begun by them) in less than 3 hours, then that is adding more weight to the separation idea. Most people on here enjoy reading what interests them, whether it's tips & tricks, women's stuff, DIY, reviews etc Just like when reading a magazine, we don't want advertising right through every page. Let's keep all the commercials in their own section and free up the front page for the readers who make the forum by visiting here. As suppliers, we pay for our presence on here, but we need to operate in a manner that welcomes and encourages people to stay, browse and hopefully do a little shopping.
 

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Noah, take a day off man!!! You have been working 20 hours a day for too long and will end up a wreck like me if you're not careful! I know you are one of the good guys so let your family have you for the day!! :thumbs:
John C.

When you come back read my next post.

Pot calling the kettle black!!!

Thanks John! No doubt I need a day with my girls!

The forum will be free from antics tomorrow:D!

Cheers,

Noah
 

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Thanks Sleephater for the post. I didn't expect that when i saw that you posted in here. Sometimes too much info and topics will impact you negatively. It gives the customer a bad impression, like desperation. Just focus your deals a little more. Make it simplier

Yeah, I need to rethink my time management with this. My initial thought was, well I am busy (beyond just the PV business), which is okay because I do not handle the assembly and real time consuming part of the business. But I do have to deal with the web site and the forum, banking, books etc. So by my normal SOP is that I just dedicate a chunk of time to the forum and work my way down my "to do" list. However I can now see how someone taking a day to do a weeks worth of promotions might be really, really annoying. Trust me I had no intention of sitting here every day and posting. I do not have the time.

But I will change my approach, I'll pop on, if we have a deal going that possibly warrants a new thread because it absolutely does not fit in to a thread I had started previously, then I will post that single thread and just that thread. More likely I plan on working my way through the threads that I had planned all along to start (to create a presence for the company and the individual products) and answer questions, say thanks, resolve issues etc.

To linear in my approach for sure...I am a guy who makes lists and checks things off... I see now this is not the best approach... as I do not want to be causing any trouble.... but I can admit when I am wrong, learn my lesson and avoid making the same mistake again.

Anyway, I am in full support of Shining Wits suggestion, makes sense to me as does the single thread per day at MAXIMUM idea put forth previously.

Consider me in full compliance. If you see me doing something that makes you cringe, please PM, I am new at this and as in all things, there is a learning curve, feel free to set to me straight.

Thank you.

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Shining Wit

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IMO 2 or 3 posts a week would be good enough.

I think it depends on how busy the suppliers are as well. By only posting 3 posts a week they could then be accused of not responding. The whole idea is to give them the freedom to post as much as they like, within reason, but to keep it in one place for those who wish to indulge, rather than it taking over the forum.
The '1 new thread a day started by the supplier' idea is to bring a bit of common sense into the equation. Members would still be able to start new threads in a supplier's private forum to discuss specific issues and that would avoid every query and every answer being in one thread which would be a nightmare!

The dilemma we face is whether to reorganise the content into even more specific areas to allow for a smoother experience (albeit with the trade off of having to make an effort to find what you want) or do we continue as it is now with pages cluttered with what is basically spam?
I really like the 'today's posts' facility but the way things are now it's being abused. Keeping suppliers threads out of that area would help a lot.
John C.
 

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I would think that it would be good for everyone if there was a "Today's post for sale's" and a "today's post for not sales" so to speak.

That way if you are coming on the forum to cruise around and chat and not in the market for anything then you never have to be bothered by suppliers pushing their products.

On the other hand say you are in the market for some new whatever, then you could head over the sales posts action and see what is new and exciting in the world of the suppliers.

Would anyone be opposed to that? (I am not claiming this to be my idea)

Imagine the ECF today's posts area if this forum regularly had 5,000 people on line at once, something that is not unlikely in the not too distant future. It would move so fast it would be impossible to navigate.
 

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Ha! I just did a search, and it turns out I've only created 17 threads in this section :p That's 2-3 a month ;P

One suggestion that may allow us to resolve the issue with 'many many many posts' is allowing each person (1) thread. But to really accomplish this goal you, have to allow the supplier to be able to edit their threads. This has been a feature that I really wish was in this subforum for a long time. Maybe we can revisit this thought?

I would think that it would be good for everyone if there was a "Today's post for sale's" and a "today's post for not sales" so to speak.

I'm not to keen on the idea. That just makes 'another' place that a supplier has to post or yet 'another' place that the consumer has to look. Having everything consolidated would be nice. But, the majority of the suppliers use our Sub-forums for 'Store News' and would seem pointless to create 'another' section for me to post about my Store.

Besides, your sales should be 'pulling' consumers to your website and from there I am sure you have a store news section. Dunno, just my opinion on it :p
 
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Hey guys! This sounds like a great conversation! Now I have 2 questions:

1) Do you want me to leave the report that was sent to SJ about it...or tell him never mind....or do you still need his intervention?

2) Would the OP prefer I move this to the suppliers private forum...or leave it here on the open forum?

Thanks,
Lu
 

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Thanks, Sleephater, for manning up. That is very admirable. John is a stand up guy and I know he would have put some heavy consideration into any candidate to be his US distributor, so I was cutting you some slack as just being the new guy. Some others I think just like to see their name plastered everywhere.

I still think we need some limit. I think even 2 threads a day would be a nice compromise. You can go back and edit your posts for at least that long, so after thoughts could just be edits.

Lu, I would like to hear SJ's thoughts and ideas. He tends to be pretty levelheaded and fairhanded in these things.
 

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What I would love to see is the splitting up of the 'today's posts'. Meaning: if you click on today's posts on the top page, you get all today's posts in all forums. But if you first go to a section, lets say 'general' or 'suppliers' and click on 'today's posts' while you are on that section-index: then you get all today's posts of ONLY that section.

This would imo be a much better way to be able to work through the new posts every day - there are just too many to do all at once, if you could do that per section it would be a whole lot easier (and that way suppliers would have the same chance as any other section to be chosen to look at their today's posts, plus they would still show up on the front-page-index; just there would be a way to avoid the whole bunch at once for people liking a modular approach).
 
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Sambucalu - I think here is fine, the customer should have a say in this manner just as much as the suppliers. I find the problem just as annoying for them.
I know i asked for a rule of some sort in my original post, but overall i think the suppliers here should just be respectful of each other and there wouldn't be the need for new rules.
I like some of halopunkers suggestions. For example i opened a couple weeks ago, and have used the same thread the whole time. I really just wish i could edit my thread title rightnow and keep the same thread running. I want to change it because it reads grand opening, and well its not really my grand opening now. I don't want to be using a thread called grand opening 6 months from now, because it would give the new customer the illusion that i was new.
If i could just change the thread name i would be happy to use that same thread for the next year.
 

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Aye Myshkin,

This has been a complaint of mine since the dawn of time. I'd rather have one thread than 500 threads talking about my what have you. But on the other hand, I only have 18 posts in this section :p I hardly use it, but it does annoy me that when I do use this section, 5 minutes later my post is on page #40 :p

Obviously we all agree that something needs to be done. For instance, in our supplier forum I use one thread for my updates/stock status/etc. I am able to rename the thread to whatever I want, this would truly reduce a lot of the 'spam' and allow more people on the top page. Although, you'll still have people fighting for #1 but what can you do.

Another rule, this may exist and I know a lot of other forums do this. But make it so you can only bump your post once in a 24 hour period. This would resolve a lot of the 'Bump Wars'.

So Easy Fix:
-Suppliers get one thread (but they would have to be able to edit first post and thread title)
-Supplier can only BUMP the thread once in a 24 hour period

Make it happen ;P lol, but those are just my opinions.
 

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I am a supplier who only has on here this forum to post in and i would agree to halopunkers suggestions.
I would like to clarify, when you say bump do you mean i can only give one post a day even if im asked questions, or you mean only one obvious bump per day?
I would hate to ignore people to avoid posting only once, but i normally don't bump my thread for the heck of it.
 

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I would like to clarify, when you say bump do you mean i can only give one post a day even if im asked questions, or you mean only one obvious bump per day?

In message board terms, to move a post to the top of the forum with a pointless reply, usually to one's own thread.

Bring Up My Post (BUMP)

So, answering a question in your thread wouldn't count as a bump.
 
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