Mayo Clinic: E-Cigarettes Mitigate Risks Of Smoking

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Marc411

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I did the math for him and shot him an e-mail.

Unfortunately I have to crunch number the majority of my day but my writing skills suck.

You can't be good at everything :)

{Edit} Quick response from the writer and the article has been updated.
 
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What about when they lie about vaping, as they usually do when they bring up the topic?

Like so:

From Mayo Clinic's webpage on "Nicotine dependence"

mayoclinic.org/
diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/basics/treatment/con-20014452

"Methods to avoid

There is no scientific evidence that these products work to help stop smoking and little is known about their safety."


.... They list several things to avoid, including ....

"Electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes). Flavored mist containing nicotine that looks like smoke is puffed through a system that looks like a cigarette. Questions exist about the safety of e-cigarette vapor and the amount of nicotine provided."

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From Mayo Clinic's page on "Healthy Lifestyle - Quit smoking"

mayoclinic.org/
healthy-lifestyle/quit-smoking/expert-answers/electronic-cigarettes/faq-20057776

"What are electronic cigarettes? Are they safer than conventional cigarettes?
Answers from Lowell Dale, M.D.

When the FDA analyzed samples of two popular brands, it found variable amounts of nicotine and traces of toxic chemicals, including known cancer-causing substances (carcinogens). This prompted the FDA to issue a warning about potential health risks associated with electronic cigarettes.

Until more is known about the potential risks, the safe play is to say no to electronic cigarettes. If you're looking for help to stop smoking, there are many FDA-approved medications that have been shown to be safe and effective for this purpose."

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Lowell Dale is the Mayo doctor who told a journalist (Eli Lake) this:

"Dr. Lowell Dale, the medical director of the Mayo Clinic’s Tobacco Quitline, [told me] propylene glycol as a liquid...is "similar to antifreeze."

Jacob Sullum had this to say (on reason.com) about Lowell Dale's "similar to antifreeze" comment:

Propylene glycol, which is not an "active ingredient" in e-cigarettes but a carrier in which the nicotine and flavoring are dissolved, is known as "nontoxic antifreeze." Guess why. As Lake notes, it is approved by the FDA as a safe food ingredient. It is also used in various FDA-approved medications, including cough syrup and nasal sprays. Calling it "antifreeze" is a scare tactic aimed at clouding the issue. While it's true that there is not much research on the effects of inhaling propylene glycol, a 2012 study found that, unlike tobacco smoke, e-cigarette vapor does not impair lung function in the short term.

E-cigarettes indisputably deliver nicotine without the myriad toxins and carcinogens generated by burning tobacco. Whatever long-term risk propylene glycol vapor may pose is bound to pale in comparison with the well-established hazards of inhaling all of the chemicals you get from cigarettes (which, by the way, include propylene glycol). The bottom line is that Lake is much better off, in terms of the health risks he faces, for having switched from Marlboro Lights to e-cigarettes. Public health officials and anti-smoking activists who obscure that point are endangering smokers' lives by discouraging them from switching to a much safer alternative."

Mayo Clinic's got a lonnnnng way to go.
 

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Like so:

(snip)

Mayo Clinic's got a lonnnnng way to go.
They aren't alone in keeping outdated material up. The EPA still has their 1992 report on second Hand smoke on their webpage. Even though it was tossed so far out of court in 1998(R.J. Reynolds vs EPA) and lost on appeal, it still hasn't landed. They still refer to the bad science to justify current thought on pollution. :nah:
Study Finds No Link Between Secondhand Smoke And Cancer
 

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While it's true that there is not much research on the effects of inhaling propylene glycol, a 2012 study found that, unlike tobacco smoke, e-cigarette vapor does not impair lung function in the short term.

Good post Lara. Jacob may not be aware of long term studies of inhalation of PG (and VG) that have been going on since 1947, for example with monkeys in this study:

Comparative observations on the growth rates, blood counts, urine examinations, kidney function tests, fertility and general condition of the test and control groups, exhibited no essential differences between them with the exception that the rats in the glycol atmospheres exhibited consistently higher weight gains. Some drying of the skin of the monkeys' faces occurred after several months continuous exposure to a heavy fog of triethylene glycol. However, when the vapor concentration was maintained just below saturation by means of the glycostat this effect did not occur.

Examination at autopsy likewise failed to reveal any differences between the animals kept in glycolized air and those living in the ordinary room atmosphere. Extensive histological study of the lungs was made to ascertain whether the glycol had produced any generalized or local irritation. None was found. The kidneys, liver, spleen and bone marrow also were normal.

The results of these experiments in conjunction with the absence of any observed ill effects in patients exposed to both triethylene glycol and propylene glycol vapors for months at a time, provide assurance that air containing these vapors in amounts up to the saturation point is completely harmless.

Footnotes
    • Received June 4, 1947.
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Since then factories that produce PG and VG (Dow Chemical, for example) have done studies as well for inhalation regarding the factory workers with no sign of any abnormalities or illnesses. And they've been doing it for quite a while.

That said, Mayo may have reconsidered some of their earlier conclusions (that's a good thing), based on some of the newer science from our side that conflicts with the junk of pharmaceuticals, Cancer Society, Am. Lung Assoc. and others who get paid by matching their science to gov't intent.
 

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"The average number of cigarettes consumed fell sharply from 15.6 per person to 7.6 — a 17 percent decrease. "
Maths is not my best subject, but...

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The number of cigarettes I smoked decreased 100% when I started vaping, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this.
 

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Lowell Dale is the Mayo doctor who told a journalist (Eli Lake) this:

"Dr. Lowell Dale, the medical director of the Mayo Clinic’s Tobacco Quitline, [told me] propylene glycol as a liquid...is "similar to antifreeze."

Oh Lord... This Lowell Dale is a physician?

Well, I guess one might also argue that ethylene glycol as a liquid is similar to water. :facepalm:
 

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There are probably disagreements within the Mayo Clinic. That would be no surprise.

I'm fine with disagreements. But not not outright lies and distortions. They are not entitled to their own facts (and math and chemistry :facepalm:).
 

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It occurred to me last week that the time is now to argue a counterbalancing argument (though some may disagree on principle) to ultimately advance the rights of vapors. As middle ground is often ultimately the winning position in politics, I'm feeling that the time is now to advocate that PH officials openly push for higher cigar and cigarette taxes in order to subsidize, advocate, and fund science to advancing e-cigs (versus tobacco cigarettes) on the grounds of substantial advancement to public health, lives saved, and reduced societital costs.

If you think about where middle or center ground stands under current framing of this "debate", and where that would shift this center, I think you will see my point. Enjoy!
 

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They aren't alone in keeping outdated material up
It's not like this one study cancles out all the others from this year, last year and all past years, and they've suddenly turned truthful re vaping. Also, keeping old, dishonest info posted and circulating, is another way to lie to the public, enrich themselves (and other well-connected people), and undermine their credibility.
 
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Everytime I go to the PO I have to tell the employee how much change to give me. She can't even get it right with a calculator.
I'm at the local convenience store.
I buy some cheese crackers and a Starbucks frappuccino.

The total is $6.74 in american cash money.
I give the clerk $11.75 because that's how I roll.

How many times does head explode?
 
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