MBV pulls cinnamon juices

[Fulgurant]

Cinnamon flavoring in e-liquids melting plastic tanks is not because it is caustic, it's because of a chemical reaction between the flavoring and the plastic. There is no relationship between this and human consumption or inhalation.

Right. It's valid to say that you will only use glass or polypropylene tanks because you don't like the idea of vaping from a tank that could leech into certain mixes of e-juice. It's also valid to say that you want to avoid cinnamon flavors because there's data to show that inhaling them is dangerous.

But the argument that we shouldn't vape something that "melts [polycarbonate] plastic" is a fallacious oversimplification. People eat cinnamon all the time, after all. The fact that certain flavorings have a destructive interaction with polycarbonate doesn't prove anything in particular about the safety of those flavorings OR the safety of polycarbonate in isolation.

 

[smacuser]

maybe they will use it in some sort of humane executions ... sir, you have a choice ... firing squad ... hanging ... lethal injection ... or death by Cinnamon Roll

Now, with that being said, cinnamon is supposedly less harmful than burning vegetable matter.

 

[Miarose]

Re-read my post...No, actually I didnt. But its almost like you are reacting like you have a personal stake in defending MBV even though what I said didnt amount in any way to an attack on them. I simply stated that since they eliminated my ADV I have no longer have any reason to do business with them. But I do think they made a knee jerk decision based on a study they dont even understand. I also said it was my opinion. And I do have a couple hundred ml stockpiled. Should suffice until i find somewhere else to buy my juice.

Your post came across as haughty. Apologies if it wasn't intended to be. I'm glad you do have a stock pile
everyone should be able to vape what they want(cheers Mowgli) regardless of consequences. Cigarettes are still legal.... >.<

 

[Katya]

This is a known issue and i applaud MBV for doing what they did. As everyone knows, or should know, food flavorings were never meant or approved for inhalation. just because they are safe to eat doesn't mean they are safe to inhale--for prolonged periods.

I have stopped vaping cinnamon after talking to our resident chemist and a master DIY-er Kurt:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...u-vape-cinnamon-flavors-read.html#post3906345

Another flavor that was discussed and discontinued by many juice and flavorings makers was diacetyl. But just because a flavoring is advertised as diacetyl-free doesn't mean it's perfectly safe to vape.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-bad-your-health-if-vaped-5.html#post3352880

and Kurt's reply:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-bad-your-health-if-vaped-6.html#post3374751

 

[7sixtwo]

I understand MBV's decision, but I do think that this "danger" is overblown.

I don't vape anything with cinnamon in it that often, but I do highly enjoy it on occasion, and will continue to do so in the future. It's a helluva lot more healthy than all the carbon monoxide, tar, etc etc etc that I used to inhale with hardly a second thought.

 

[riseabovethestorm]

This is a known issue and i applaud MBV for doing what they did. As everyone knows, or should know, food flavorings were never meant or approved for inhalation. just because they are safe to eat doesn't mean they are safe to inhale--for prolonged periods.

I have stopped vaping cinnamon after talking to our resident chemist and a master DIY-er Kurt:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...u-vape-cinnamon-flavors-read.html#post3906345

Another flavor that was discussed and discontinued by many juice and flavorings makers was diacetyl. But just because a flavoring is advertised as diacetyl-free doesn't mean it's perfectly safe to vape.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-bad-your-health-if-vaped-5.html#post3352880

and Kurt's reply:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-bad-your-health-if-vaped-6.html#post3374751

Nothing is going to keep me from my Bavarian Cream.

 

[Katya]

Nothing is going to keep me from my Bavarian Cream.

Bavarian cream is OK. Per Kurt and Linda--all the bad "custard" molecules have been removed from BC.

http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-6250-bavarian-cream-flavor.aspx

 

[Katya]

IN 4 YEARS OF VAPING, CINNAMON OIL BASED FLAVORS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT MADE MY LUNGS FEEL SCORCHED…
Sorry for the caps…


so, I have avoided them period.

at any rate, this is a good move… a proactive move by them… I respect that…

now, anyone know about non-oil based cinnamon flavoring? same concerns?

Here's your answer (maybe):

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...u-vape-cinnamon-flavors-read.html#post3906345

 

[Rickajho]

oh the drama. View attachment 275022

So much dwama.

 

[Mr.Mann]

This is a known issue and i applaud MBV for doing what they did. As everyone knows, or should know, food flavorings were never meant or approved for inhalation. just because they are safe to eat doesn't mean they are safe to inhale--for prolonged periods.

I have stopped vaping cinnamon after talking to our resident chemist and a master DIY-er Kurt:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...u-vape-cinnamon-flavors-read.html#post3906345

Another flavor that was discussed and discontinued by many juice and flavorings makers was diacetyl. But just because a flavoring is advertised as diacetyl-free doesn't mean it's perfectly safe to vape.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-bad-your-health-if-vaped-5.html#post3352880

and Kurt's reply:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-bad-your-health-if-vaped-6.html#post3374751

Wow, thanks for the post from Kurt. I am locking that post in my bank of favs! You know, a lot of people have a "from my dead hands" approach to something as goofy as their favorite flavor, and that's okay I guess. I think a lot of it just comes from a similar attitude that we all used to share about smoking. I dunno. Either which way, people will do as they wish and the same goes for others that wish to play it as safe as possible. Frankly, when you actually read in depth about the issues concerning some of these flavors, and not just "hear" about the issues, I think some people may have a change of heart; and especially if you experience issues first hand! I stopped vaping MsT's cinnamon candy after my chest (lungs) felt like they had been a victim of aggravated assault--the choice to cease vaping it was easy. I never got into diacetyl (or diacetyl substitutes) flavors because an ECF veteran told me a long time ago to stay away from those buttery flavors. Thanks, LT.

 

[Katya]

oh the drama. View attachment 275022

So much dwama.

Really?

Have you read the articles and the information provided in this thread?

Let me highlight one for you. Per Kurt--whom I trust completely:

It would be one thing if the lung issues that arise are irritation to the tissue. This may happen, but the real problem seems to be that the affected lung tissue just dies, never to regenerate, and it is cumulative and gradual. You may simply experience shortness of breath at first. By the time it is emergent, the only recourse, if you live, is a lung transplant. They cannot treat this. Not trying to scare anyone, but this is what diacetyl has done to food workers, particularly microwave popcorn workers. The other flavor compounds in this class have caused problems too, but I suspect diacetyl became the problem it is because the US microwave popcorn market is so huge.

I choose to pay attention. My lungs have already been damaged by years of smoking.

You are of course fully entitled to make your own risk assessment.

 

[Katya]

Wow, thanks for the post from Kurt. I am locking that post in my bank of favs! You know, a lot of people have a "from my dead hands" approach to something as goofy as their favorite flavor, and that's okay I guess. I think a lot of it just comes from a similar attitude that we all used to share about smoking. I dunno. Either which way, people will do as they wish and the same goes for others that wish to play it as safe as possible. Frankly, when you actually read in depth about the issues concerning some of these flavors, and not just "hear" about the issues, I think some people may have a change of heart; and especially if you experience issues first hand! I stopped vaping MsT's cinnamon candy after my chest (lungs) felt like they had been a victim of aggravated assault--the choice to cease vaping it was easy. I never got into diacetyl (or diacetyl substitutes) flavors because an ECF veteran told me a long time ago to stay away from those buttery flavors. Thanks, LT.

I discovered the dangers of cinnamon early on when I got mouth sores from a very popular (then) cinnamon flavor. So I found Kurt and asked him about it... IMHO, diacetyl (and possibly whatever replaced it) is even more dangerous than cinnamon, but we don't know in what doses, of course. It's all dose-dependent.

 

[gotarace]

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[B1sh0p]

Is there a list of flavors that may be harmful? Honestly, I'm skeptical of some juices being "safe." Yes, I know safe is relative. Some juices make me feel like ...., like citrus based juices. I haven't bought any for a while because of this.

 

[stevegmu]

I can't believe the attitude that if isn't as bad as smoking, then it must be safe. My guess is that flavors won't be banned, in general, but that certain ones- like cinnamon and custard should and will be banned. I tried some cinnamon once and my throat closed up to the point I was close to performing a self tracheotomy with a knife and a pen.

 

[Myrany]

Nothing is going to keep me from my Bavarian Cream.

If they use TFA BAvarian cream it does not have the custard nasties
Perfumers Apprentice - Bavarian Cream Flavor

 

[B1sh0p]

I can't believe the attitude that if isn't as bad as smoking, then it must be safe. My guess is that flavors won't be banned, in general, but that certain ones- like cinnamon and custard should and will be banned. I tried some cinnamon once and my throat closed up to the point I was close to performing a self tracheotomy with a knife and a pen.

I've always stuck to this, if it burns or gives me an extreme throat hit, it's my body telling me it's not good to inhale.

 

[Katya]

Is there a list of flavors that may be harmful? Honestly, I'm skeptical of some juices being "safe." Yes, I know safe is relative. Some juices make me feel like ...., like citrus based juices. I haven't bought any for a while because of this.

I only know about cinnamon (cinnamaldehyde) and "custard/butter/popcorn/waffle" flavors (diacetyl, acetoin and acetyl propionate). I also know that oils are a no-no in vaping--no matter how "essential" or "organic" they may be.

The discussion about vaping "tank-cracking' eliquids is ongoing (citrus-y, berry, banana). I have no clue, but I feel that if it melts polycarbonate it may not belong in my lungs. But I really have no idea. You may need to ask Kurt.

 

[runawayfromthehumans]

I am a big fan of the cinnamon red hot flavoring from Mt Baker when used with their Green Apple flavor. The more that I use the more I cough and tend to sneeze but I have the same reaction from eating red hot candy or fireballs. I am glad they took the action to pull it from the shelves until they can find out if it is safe but I will miss it. I am not sure what to order from there now =(. The cinnamon flavor gives that throat hit feeling that keeps me from missing analogs. Hope I can find a new one from there because the shipping and prices can't be beat!

 

[Myrany]

I am a big fan of the cinnamon red hot flavoring from Mt Baker when used with their Green Apple flavor. The more that I use the more I cough and tend to sneeze but I have the same reaction from eating red hot candy or fireballs. I am glad they took the action to pull it from the shelves until they can find out if it is safe but I will miss it. I am not sure what to order from there now =(. The cinnamon flavor gives that throat hit feeling that keeps me from missing analogs. Hope I can find a new one from there because the shipping and prices can't be beat!

Try some strong peppermint for that throat thump. It is what works for me even at low nic.