nope it doesnt.... wearing well fitted golf shoes while walking on real wood floors doesnt workYou mean to say that 'if it fits - it works" ............. doesn't work?!?
Mech mod disfigures a e-cig user, sad.
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As someone who's been using a Subtank on a SMPL for the last couple of months, this hits a little too close to home...
Is my Coolfire 4 a 'safe' one? I'm bricking myself now after reading this. Is the CF4 a mech mod? Is it properly regulated and does it use the right batteries...? Jebus...
Should I be using a subtank nano on it?
Should I be using a subtank nano on it?
The CF4 is a regulated device (and therefore not a mechanical mod) and has various safety features built in. Your Subtank Nano's in a safe place.
Hotwire you can stop worrying the coolfire is a regulated not a mech so odds of this are greatly reduced.
@Hotwire Great place to ask this question!
Anybody else concerned about this? Why did he have to ask it? Should the vendor have showed him at least what kind of device he was buying? People that have to ask questions like this after they have already been vaping on a device are exactly why safety devices should be on all mods! Not because of any fault other than some people in general aren't usually going to do any research before they buy & the vendors aren't asking the right questions before they sell things!
@Hotwire please continue to ask questions and learn about your device so you can stop "bricking" yourself!
You're lucky, I use to drink and I'm missing ALL my teeth!
Yep, them long neck bottles are dangerous after drinking out of a can all night.
@Hotwire Great place to ask this question!
Anybody else concerned about this? Why did he have to ask it? Should the vendor have showed him at least what kind of device he was buying? People that have to ask questions like this after they have already been vaping on a device are exactly why safety devices should be on all mods! Not because of any fault other than some people in general aren't usually going to do any research before they buy & the vendors aren't asking the right questions before they sell things!
@Hotwire please continue to ask questions and learn about your device so you can stop "bricking" yourself!
Please stop blaming the minimum wage clerk for not educating an adult about battery safety, and primitive electronic theory.
As an adult, you must take responsibility for your own actions no matter how dumb they may be.
You don't regulate everyone because a few people make obviously foolish mistakes, like not researching what devices they stick in their own mouths.
Hey, curiosity is a good thing
If you get some actual numbers, please post the info. I would love to know if my opinion is accurate or not.
Well, Google is our friend. Some very interesting reading and statistics:
https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/electronic_cigarettes.pdf
Just a couple notations.....
Apparently, these "documented cases" were obtained via an internet search for media reports. And we are all aware of how complete and unbiased the media is (in my best sarcastic tone).
And to influence interest in actually clicking the link read the report, "20 of the 25 cases occurred while charging." But you might want to check out the charging methods most frequently used when failures occurred.
As expected, there is little to no reference to type of vaping equipment used.
JMHO, but it appears my risk of my vape blowing up in my hand is in line with my risk of being hit by lightning, hit by a tornado, hitting the lottery, or my car careening off a cliff (note: I live in Nebraska
). Be concerned and educate yourself? Absolutely! Scared into quitting vaping? Not so much!
Should adults do some research on things they buy absolutely and once they have something and are not completely certain how to operate it safely they should do some research it's common sense. But that doesn't let shops off the hook and it shouldn't they sell the stuff they should at least have basic knowledge and we should both expect and demand it. It's a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other both sides need to happen for things to be safer, a b&m I went too once ran evening gatherings where they educated on battery safety, ohms law, coil building and liquid making anyone buying anything more then basic gear was encouraged to go and at the end of four weeks people got a little certificate. That's how b&m's should be and speaking to someone use's them often they have upped sales as people buy as they learn, it's not hard to do it just needs owner's that are smart and give a damn that b&m also will not sell mechs if the person doesn't know what they are doing. I have little time for people that jump into things and don't do the research but I've equal little time for crappy b&m's that only care about cash and damn the customers.
I agree with you and disagree at the same time. People do need to take responsibility for their own safety and actions, no doubt. Let's say this guy went in and bought the mod and asked the clerk to set him up with something, if the guy doesn't have the internet, then he would assume the clerk is leading him on the right path. Clerks and shops need to take some responsibility when selling this stuff. A good clerk would have told him, this tank and mod will not work together.
The problem is though too many people put faith in these clerks, many of the clerks don't know much more than how to put it together, which to me means the owner is to blame. When people walk in to a shop saying they know nothing about vaping and clerks take on the process of explaining and recommending products, they at that point are responsible. People at the same time also need to use the Reagan approach, trust but verify.
Then again the guy could have ignored the clerk or bought something online and just threw it on a mech. mod. That's the problem with these news "stories", that's all they are stories. There is no whole truth coming out most of the time. They don't actually investigate how it could happen, never see them talk to shop owners or anyone else that can verify the "victim's" story. Blood and guts makes for good news, not facts and figures, like they say " If it bleeds it leads".
Well, Google is our friend. Some very interesting reading and statistics:
https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/electronic_cigarettes.pdf
Just a couple notations.....
Apparently, these "documented cases" were obtained via an internet search for media reports. And we are all aware of how complete and unbiased the media is (in my best sarcastic tone).
And to influence interest in actually clicking the link read the report, "20 of the 25 cases occurred while charging." But you might want to check out the charging methods most frequently used when failures occurred.
As expected, there is little to no reference to type of vaping equipment used.
JMHO, but it appears my risk of my vape blowing up in my hand is in line with my risk of being hit by lightning, hit by a tornado, hitting the lottery, or my car careening off a cliff (note: I live in Nebraska
Good stuff OlderNDirt and thanks for posting the link, it was a good read
. This kinda confirms for me that most of the fires and explosions are from eGo type or smaller devices:"None of the incidents reported in the media involved the larger PVs. All of the incidents reviewed involved “vape pens” or “twists,” which more closely resemble traditional cigarettes in appearance. These twists are intended to be recharged using a USB port built into the e-cigarette and a power adapter supplied with the device. Most of the PVs and Mods use larger batteries that are removed from the vaporizer and placed in an external charging unit. This helps to ensure that a proper power supply is used to charge the batteries."
The data is from 2009-2014 and since then a few non-eGo type mods have had issues. There are also a few missing events from the report that I have read about involing mod devices (and probably eGo types too), as you said it is data solely collected from news reports on the net.
This surprised me:
"The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission has advised that e-cigarettes do not fall under its jurisdiction."
I didn't know that. I thought they had oversight over all consumer products.
Note also their comment on the better safety of Li-ion flat packs, which are Lipo, over metal case Li-ion.
The good thing is Li-ion batteries are really quite safe as consumer products go. I also don't worry about being hit by lightning anytime soon, but I don't leave Li-ion batteries on charge overnight either
I have the redbrown/chocolate Segelei Fu Chai with matching RDA. I would not pair it with anything else due to aesthetic purposes. I have been using mine for over 5 months with out issue. Actually the thing is a beautiful beast! I have not used a tank on it, and probably won't ever, but I certainly wouldn't use a tank with premade coils that are slated to read around .2 Ohm. I would love to know what batt the guy was using. Whats the bet that it was a 20 AMP CDR or lower? Those T3 coils would be pushing around 21 amps. Why can't reporters seek out someone educated on vape/battery safety? @Baditude and @Mooch could really be of service to these reports. Teach people something instead of scaring them!! These news articles are complete .... IMHO, please excuse my language. Vaping has been the only thing that got me off the sucksticks and I am sick of uninformed people telling me what vaping is and how dangerous it can be. Vaping isn't the danger, it's the careless people, mouths above their driptips, that do not know the first thing about battery safety or Ohm's law.
Ya, I kinda knew that for some reason. I kinda took it is intuitive. It happens all the time with model rockets. Thing is, the Boy Scouts should known the same thing, they should know it happens routinely, they should keep a safe distance from all falling rockets. I guess they are simply too concerned with "whatever" now a days to make notice of known safety issues when playing with model rockets. It would be sad to see them sued, but hey, they kinda deserve it. Model rockets are just toys right up until they poke your eye ball out, or worst.
And people who use mech mods should know all parts must/need to be compatible, even if they fit or dont fit. Problem with some people is tat learning exactly how they work is simply beyond them, we live in a plug and play world, they don`t have the time for such things. If it plugs in and blows up, someone must be sued. Cause you know, it should never have plugged in if it was dangerous, LOL.
Look, in some older 38`s, a 357 mag cartridge will fit just fine, but if you fire it, you`ll blow your hand off. Oh ya, they want to ban those too. LOL, Then there was the 70 YO tank whose breach gave out killing two Tank Collectors. Maybe they should have gotten that breach x-rayed and maged, you know, for safety sake?
I could go on and on. I learned early on there is only one person responsible for my safety, ME. No mater what it is I am doing, I can not pass that obligation off on to someone else. Once you are dead, you wont be suing anyone.
What was it Einstein said, genius has its limits, LOL.
The bad part is with so many people converting and not learning anything, this is going to happen more often. Many people get a mech. because of price but never learn the ins and outs of using one. Now with temp control gaining popularity and some tanks coming with temp coils or reg. and temp coils, someone is going to use the wrong one at the wrong time and boom. Everyone involved in more advanced types of devices are going to have to play a part in safety. People need to research and learn on their own, local shops need to provide better instruction on safety (to consumers and employees) and we ourselves need to educate people we see or hear doing something unsafe.
Many people I'm betting don't even realize they are doing something unsafe but there are the few who ignore the information and do whatever they want. Those are the people I worry about, as they are the ones that help fuel the fire on unsafe practices and will help usher in regulations. We live in a world of stupid, where we have to make things over engineered for safety, due to the few ignorant folk that refuse to follow any rules, regulations and/or guidelines.
We started a losing battle with sanity when people could sue (and win) over coffee being too hot. If anyone want's a fun read, go into your bathroom and look at the warning labels on shaving cream, soap, shampoo and such or do it the next time you're out shopping. There are a few that actually say do not use near open flame, really how many people shave by candle light these days.
Many people I'm betting don't even realize they are doing something unsafe but there are the few who ignore the information and do whatever they want. Those are the people I worry about, as they are the ones that help fuel the fire on unsafe practices and will help usher in regulations. We live in a world of stupid, where we have to make things over engineered for safety, due to the few ignorant folk that refuse to follow any rules, regulations and/or guidelines.
We started a losing battle with sanity when people could sue (and win) over coffee being too hot. If anyone want's a fun read, go into your bathroom and look at the warning labels on shaving cream, soap, shampoo and such or do it the next time you're out shopping. There are a few that actually say do not use near open flame, really how many people shave by candle light these days.
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