Mech won't fire

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hambone0424

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I think you should slow down and catch up on some reading and make sure u understand what u r doing man mechanical can be dangerous if you dont know what ur doing and the questions i see you asking seems like your pretty new to vaping so i would look at new forums simple solutions at top of page on the forum it has helpful info to help you along the way or go to ask the veterans forum there are many people here to help you out
 

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Well, he already has it, so let's help him out.

I've spent quite a bit of time the last few days helping another new member who wants a mech and RBAs. Now he knows Ohm's Law and battery safety :). We will work more on builds once his stuff arrives.

OP, feel free to PM me for help if you're feeling uncomfortable. I would rather you become informed than to not return to the forum.
 

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Ayo! I recommend you stop and do some research before you potentially hurt yourself. The fact that you said your mod fired and then stopped potentially means you shorted your battery. What battery exactly is it? What's the CDR? Also, you said you "reversed your battery"?! Are you insane?

First, never put a battery in a mech mod reversed. This will 100% result in battery damage, and potentially damage to you. There is NO safety features in a mechanical mod. No circuitry to protect you in the event of user error. It's all up to you to understand how it works, and what exactly is going on when you hit the fire button (ideally, before you hit the fire button).

Second, what resistance does your build ohm out to? In most cases where a battery discharges they'll notice that the mod stops firing for some odd reason (we call it "misfires" -- when you press the button and nothing happens), and then they go to press the button again and kablooey! Bad stuff.

It's possible it's something as simple as your pin coming loose and not making proper contact with your battery, but from the way your first post sounds you should really re-evaluate what you're doing and whether or not you know how to safely operate a mech mod.
HUH? Ok I will say that on some mech mods there is a potential for problems happening from reversing a battery such as a switch pin that could contact the negative and positive part of the battery if the wrapper is torn. But to say putting a battery in a mech mod reversed will 100% result in battery damage is completely wrong. I'm all for safety and operation a mod the way it is intended but all a mech mod does is complete the circuit it doesn't care what side is positive and what side is negative. Care to explain how it will 100% cause battery damage? I have been wrong before.
 
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HUH? Ok I will say that on some mech mods there is a potential for problems happening from reversing a battery such as a switch pin that could contact the negative and positive part of the battery if the wrapper is torn. But to say putting a battery in a mech mod reversed will 100% result in battery damage is completely wrong. I'm all for safety and operation a mod the way it is intended but all a mech mod does is complete the circuit it doesn't care what side is positive and what side is negative. Care to explain how it will 100% cause battery damage? I have been wrong before.

Putting a battery in a mech will complete the circuit, alright. Likely with the outer casing of your mod (because of the large surface area of the negative contact). In fact, the whole battery is technically a "negative contact" aside from the positive side. If there's any part of your battery touching the casing of your mod, it will complete the circuit with near-zero resistance. Your battery will dump the entirety of its load into the casing of the mod, and likely go into thermal runway.

Some mods actually work fine with the batteries in whatever orientation (I've heard Stingrays are designed specifically not to short out with an upside down battery). I'd imagine there's some voltage drop from not having your positive pin touching the pin which touches the atomizer, but not sure.

Point is, people have catastrophically shorted their batteries from putting it in the opposite way in a mech mod, so I strongly advocate against trying it out.
 

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I said the same thing, if you have a mod with a large contact negative switch pin there could be a problem but to say it will cause 100% battery damage is not correct and if safety is to be taught maybe explanations of what and why something could happen would be a better route than just a blanket statement of don't do that, are you insane. If people understand how there device works they will be able to think logically about what is happening and why they should or shouldn't do something rather than just spreading don't do that. I truly mean no disrespect to you in any way I just think the how's and why's are better safety features then do this, don't do that.
 

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I said the same thing, if you have a mod with a large contact negative switch pin there could be a problem but to say it will cause 100% battery damage is not correct and if safety is to be taught maybe explanations of what and why something could happen would be a better route than just a blanket statement of don't do that, are you insane. If people understand how there device works they will be able to think logically about what is happening and why they should or shouldn't do something rather than just spreading don't do that. I truly mean no disrespect to you in any way I just think the how's and why's are better safety features then do this, don't do that.

I mean I suppose you're right, but in the case of OP, I think there's a lot that he doesn't know in terms of battery safety. Before I get into the intricacies of how a cell degrades over time or the questionable stats of most CDR's, I think it's important that OP puts down his mod and re-evaluates a few things. There's a lot of info on "Getting started with a mech mod" around here. @Baditude's blogs are a good place to start for sure.

And no disrespect taken, I understand where you're coming from. To be honest, it was late and I was a bit frustrated so a bit of that "are you insane?" business was more or less directed at the idea of a user who tries their mod and when it doesn't fire they don't have some idea of what to do. If my mechs ever had a misfire (very rare) I'd stop, take the battery out, listen/inspect it for damages/check if it's hot, look at the firing pin/negative contact (make sure all my pins were snug), throw the battery on a charger or check it with a multi-meter.. Y'know, things that someone who was sold a mech mod at a vape shop -- and not thoroughly instructed -- might not think of.

I'd rather OP find a different device, preferably a regulated device with protection, until he learns a bit more about mech mods. Just seems in his best interest till the research is done.
 
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I mean I suppose you're right, but in the case of OP, I think there's a lot that he doesn't know in terms of battery safety. Before I get into the intricacies of how a cell degrades over time or the questionable stats of most CDR's, I think it's important that OP puts down his mod and re-evaluates a few things. There's a lot of info on "Getting started with a mech mod" around here. @Baditude's blogs are a good place to start for sure.

And no disrespect taken, I understand where you're coming from. To be honest, it was late and I was a bit frustrated so a bit of that "are you insane?" business was more or less directed at the idea of a user who tries their mod and when it doesn't fire they don't have some idea of what to do. If my mechs ever had a misfire (very rare) I'd stop, take the battery out, listen/inspect it for damages/check if it's hot, look at the firing pin/negative contact (make sure all my pins were snug), throw the battery on a charger or check it with a multi-meter.. Y'know, things that someone who was sold a mech mod at a vape shop -- and not thoroughly instructed -- might not think of.

I'd rather OP find a different device, preferably a regulated device with protection, until he learns a bit more about mech mods. Just seems in his best interest till the research is done.
Completely agree.
 

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    I`m gonna keep my mouth shut and pray.

    I have to admit that my first thought was "get an eGo".
    Also the best advice when a mechanical wont fire is "get out the VOM" and find the open, because an open is the only thing that can keep a mechanical from firing. (a short will fire until it becomes an open)
     
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    Rsunderl

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    @Sparkler24 - i sure hope you are still around and reading all of this. Sometimes, being human, we over-react a bit - (especially when safety is concerned), but we really have your interests at heart and want to help you learn and have the best vaping experience possible no matter what device you'd like to use.

    Please keep asking questions - that's how we all learn - we're not born knowing this stuff :)
     

    DaveSignal

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    Yes, resistance is measured in ohms. If you put your battery in the wrong way, I believe your battery is done. You're also very lucky something worse didn't happen.
    Not if its a standard single battery mech. A mech has no chips. Its just a metal circuit. The coil (which has no polarity) will heat up with the battery in either direction if the circuit is closed.

    Problem is that the circuit is not closing. The fix is simple. Check the switch. Check the 510. Clean the contacts. Make sure battery rattle adjustments are adjusted. Fire mod again.
     

    Ohm Gnome

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    I`m gonna keep my mouth shut and pray.
    You should go read the other thread he created yesterday. Just put a RDA on this mech with out knowledge of what resistance the build was or what resistance means. He has a regulated mod and said he was just gonna use it until he learned at least the very basics of vaping. But he seems convinced mechs make you" cool ". Gonna look really cool when a accident happens. I said it yesterday and I'll say it again. Things like this will result in mech mods getting banned
     

    gin828

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    Sparkler24.....Everybody here wants to help you:). Its obvious that you lack knowledge of mechs. Dont get discouraged. We just dont want you to get hurt;). Mechanicals take alot of learning and understanding. You should have a multi-meter that reads ohms/resistance and voltage in DC. If you dont have one....I advise you get one and learn to use it before you continue in mechs.
     

    Ohm Gnome

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    People probably think I seem harsh but the op was already told all this stuff. Doesn't matter what you say if the person you say it to won't listen. I mean if someone doesn't care about their hands that's their prerogative but this stuff puts the industry in jeopardy. And this is the worse possible time to do that
     
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