Mechanical mod vs VV\VW mod

[edyle]

Now that is cool, but kinda hard to use while walking the dog.

Yup, for walking the dog you need your mobile batttery.

But it's great for truckers!
And great for sitting at your computer online on ecf !
Or watching tv;
oh just to have as a backup.


I have 3; but mostly just havethem plugged in at various spot and last time I used one was to dryburn because i was vaping off my mod.


One day I'll rip one of them apart and convert it to a mech to run straight 5 volts usb no electronics.

 

[niczgreat]

Lot's of disinformation on this thread.
So I'll repudiate a few and sing the lauds to sub ohm vaping

1. Batteries- Lithium Manganese Batteries chemisty are fairly stable. I've shorted 3 of them in my life, in all cases they heated up fairly slowly and the top popped off. Never was burned. If you are Sub Ohm and using a Lithium Manganese and your mod is well vented. No worries.

2. Batteries- I vape at .37 Ohm and use a Panasonic 2900 The Panasonic 18650pd lasts for the whole day. When the battery is at 4.2v it 'v-drops to 3.4v and when down to 3.7 it's at 3.20V. Depending on the configuration of your mod, and your battery you don't necessarily see a huge change in vaping temperatures.

3. Taste is subjective, but the level at which I vape you can't do it on any VV device. So to reach my desired configuration, I'm in a sub ohm situation. And I can only use a mechanical.

4. Simplicity- No fiddling with LED displays, No worrying about blowing out electronics. I RBA and make a Coil that is perfect for my configuration. By the way. I use FC-2000 Porous Ceramic Wick and a Reomizer 2 along with 27 Gauge Kanthal. My wicks last more than 2 months.

5. Sub Ohm Vaping is a different vaping experience. The Coils that are used are much thicker, they heat up slower and the taste is different. It's not just about blowing huge clouds, it's a taste preference too.

At this point in time, Mechanicals go places that VV cannot tread.

 

[Baldr]

The mech is important to have as a backup

You need a backup. The backup doesn't have to be a mech.

Now that is where I get confused. I assumed that you would need a VV\VW mod for sub ohm coils because you can setup the voltage and wattage to safely match the ohm rating of your coil. Why don't mechs blow up or burst into flames with sub ohm coils?

The ones that are sub-ohming prefer mechs because they can bypass the safety stuff built into a decent VV mod. They are chasing clouds, skipping safety, and want the pure, unlimited battery power.
That's 90% of why people like mechs. The other 10% like them because they tend to not break, which is, IMO, the real advantage of a mech. They are simpler. No computer, no wiring, very simple, and therefore there isn't much that can go wrong. Most are essentially a tube around a battery, with a power button.

Personally, I'd rather have a good VV mod and a backup VV mod.

 

[kiwivap]

You can't do sub ohm on a VV/VW device. You have to have a much for that.

Not on most of them anyway. That may be changing though with some of the newer mods coming out.

The new DNA 30 mods which are appearing now can go up to 30 watts. There's also the Sigelei 20 and DNA 20 which go to 20 watts. And there are mods which in AVG instead of RMS can hit up over 20 watts. Previously mods had a 6 volt limit. Now that is changing. For example, specs for the DNA 30 show a maximum output voltage of 8.3 volts.

You would need to use ohms law and work out the watts you require and whether your device can give that kind of power, and also the amps and then check your battery and device amp limits. e.g. some devices have a 3 amp trip limit, some a 5 amp trip limit, etc.

 

[Scotticus93]

People are gonna give you a million answers and they are all valid. Some people like using mech mods cuz they will fire sub ohm coils and you can "cloud chase." I like it because it's simple. Very reliable. And indestructible. It gives a decent vape so it's like the ak47 of the vape world. I could always kick it to be vv and Vw in the future and might. I do kinda wish I had bought a vamo those things look tough but I had two ego twists that I had broke now I bought a k100 and I could literally beat someone with it and it would probably still work (obviously my tank might break lol)


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[Funk Dracula]

I prefer my VV/VW over a mechanical (never tried a mechanical mod yet, -snip-

You realize that makes no earthly sense, right?

 

[Blackboar]

Now that is cool, but kinda hard to use while walking the dog.

I have this picture of someone walking their dog, carrying a laptop bag with a wire hanging out, which they are vaping on. Lol now that's a battery!

 

[jazdale]

For me, I want to build my own coils, rather than buy them at $3-5 each

Just correcting the above assumption..

RDA -rebuildable dripping atomizer and RBA - rebuildable bottom-feeding atomizer.
I haven't bought an atty or cart in over a year.

Still using (the same) box-mod mech with a 6ml juice bottle after 3 years.
Vamo gets very little use.

 

[Cool-breeze]

I think mechs get a bad name from the sub-ohm / cloud chasers. If those are your goals a mech is the obvious choice but there are plenty of people not in that category. When you're starting out I agree regulated is the way to go but once you've got a routine and some basics mechs aren't that difficult. The most annoying thing to me is not over draining the battery. They really are almost indestructible and if I did damage something on my mech I could go to lowes and get something to repair it with. I also agree a mech should be avail as a back up. My go to vape is a provari but I very much enjoy my mech and intend on getting more.

 

[Vietnam1]

Mechs can take baths & are super durable ^^. VV/VW chips can & will die out out from long term & it's not water resistant.

 

[Bigflyrodder]

There is indeed quite a bit of misinformation on this thread, some very good points in here too but need to know what you're reading.

These days, with the advances of vv/vw mods, the gap is closing between regulated and unregulated devices. The biggest difference used to be that regulated devices were limited to 5.5 or maybe 6.0v which means running a 1.3ohm coil in an RDA or RBA the device would max out at 27watts. Non-regulated devices will fire anything you put on them and draw the watts/amps required to power said coil. You can put a .2ohm coil on a mech mod and with a fresh battery you will be running at 88watts and 21amps, very big difference compared to maxing out the limits of a regulated vv/vw mod.

There is a huge surge in popularity in 30w devices like the Hana as well as any other unit running the DNA30 (ala 30w) but, as you can infer from the information above, those are still limited and leave many users disappointed because they were expecting more performance but again the limitations still fall well below capabilities of a mech mod. The big plus side is that the new devices now have extended limits meaning a user can run a .5ohm coil rather than the previous 1.3ohm low end limit but if you do that math the experience is no different than using a non-regulated mod running a battery that is down to 3.9v. Again, more power available from a mech mod. The only way to possibly outperform a mech mod and still have a consistant vape is to run a device such as The Duke of the G1.

In the end it really comes down to preference and style. There are many mech mods available that I would say are beautiful, elegant, and just exude something very special when held in the hand while vv/vw mods tend to be very futuristic, modern, highly tunable. I own both, I use both every day, I very much enjoy both so not touting one over the other but just wanted to impart my somewhat limited view on the topic.

 

[Dampmaskin]

I don't sub-ohm. The only reason why I want to use mech mods, is "just because". As soon as practical considerations enter the equation, it's regulated mods for me.

 

[Bigflyrodder]

Makes perfect sense but again, if you add a Kick to a mech mod it is the same as a vv device. You can use any 510 connection topper and get a consistant vape until you need to charge the battery. At that point it is just a matter of taste and style.

 

[Dampmaskin]

Yeah, going to buy a kick some day.

If they drop as low as $33 I won't have to pay import taxes. Then buying it will become the default action. Until then, it will be something I'll have to consider as I go.

 

[kiwivap]

These days, with the advances of vv/vw mods, the gap is closing between regulated and unregulated devices. The biggest difference used to be that regulated devices were limited to 5.5 or maybe 6.0v which means running a 1.3ohm coil in an RDA or RBA the device would max out at 27watts.

Some good points, but there were ohm cut off limits. In reality people weren't able to vape like this on regulated mods. They had a low ohm cut off point of 1.2-1.3 ohms so wouldn't fire at those resistances. The Vamo 2 is a good example - 1.2 ohm cut off which in real terms would kick in at 1.3 ohms on devices. Zmax was another.

That is changing and now there are mods that can go lower. The one other thing I'd say is that I haven't seen "many users disappointed" with DNA 30 mods. At this point I think the number of users isn't as big yet as it will be, and those I've read reports from seem pretty happy overall. I think you make some good points, and I don't really care whether people vape mechanical or regulated - I see no need for a versus - seems a bit pointless to me since its dependent on vaping preferences and both are good.

 

[certus11]

tiny & shiny

 

[pinkythereddog]

I've been on the fence lately with this as well. I currently have an MVP 2 and I'm LOVING it but the lure of a mech mod is quite appealing. The only thing that I'm afraid of is the safety issues...and $ since I'd have to buy the mod, then the batteries and then the charger and a multimeter. With my MVP2 I don't have to worry about that.

The new DNA 30 Hana Modz clones that are coming out though are really tempting...

I'm not a cloud chaser, i'm not interested in sub-ohming at all. To be honest, the clouds that I get rebuilding my own coils on my Kangers and IGO-L make me happy. Still...the way a Nemesis or a Turtle Ship clone looks is super sexy.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

The only reason I'd buy a mech mod (and I'm considering it) is due to looming FDA regulation. The idea of merely buying more batteries when they die along with the ability to fix a simple mech mod is appealing should the FDA ban most devices. I already have a nimbus and a Kracken clone for rebuilding, so on toppers I do have two that should last for quite some time if I take proper care of them. Especially the all stainless steel Nimbus. Even if I break the glass on the kracken, I can still use it as a dripper I suppose. It is so counter productive to ban regulated mods. If safety were truly a concern, a regulated mod would be preferable to keep on the market. While I could also just replace the batteries on my Provari, and Provari's seem to last a while with proper care, should something happen to the chip I'd have to fall back on an unregulated mod without safety features.

 

[Arch]

Personally, I have no need for mechanical mods anymore since I got my Hana Modz V3, but I do still have my Panzer + Atomic setup that I whip out now and then for it's aesthetics. Originally mechanical mods were useful because you could get your warmer, denser vape by sub-ohming and going outside of what regulated devices could accomplish. Now, regulated devices are throwing out 20, 30, 120 and even higher wattage devices that can handle those lower resistance builds now. Is it fun to still have a good ol' mechanical mod to mess with and have pride in? Of course. Is it needed anymore? Not necessarily, as time progresses.

 

[Bigflyrodder]

Some good points, but there were ohm cut off limits. In reality people weren't able to vape like this on regulated mods. They had a low ohm cut off point of 1.2-1.3 ohms so wouldn't fire at those resistances. The Vamo 2 is a good example - 1.2 ohm cut off which in real terms would kick in at 1.3 ohms on devices. Zmax was another.

That is changing and now there are mods that can go lower. The one other thing I'd say is that I haven't seen "many users disappointed" with DNA 30 mods. At this point I think the number of users isn't as big yet as it will be, and those I've read reports from seem pretty happy overall. I think you make some good points, and I don't really care whether people vape mechanical or regulated - I see no need for a versus - seems a bit pointless to me since its dependent on vaping preferences and both are good.

Absolutely true which is why I was using 1.3ohm in my example for regulated mod and why I was pointing to the trend of the new 30w mods as being game changers. I have, however, seen many 30w devices go back up for sale in the classies very quickly as they just don't perform the way people were hoping. My guess is that mech users are buying them thinking they will get mech performance but it just isn't there. Have to run something like a Duke or a G1 to get that with a vv device.