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I would strongly suggest sticking with a VV/VW mod at this time. I totally understand you wanting to get into mechanicals but I suggest you spend some more time on what you will gain/ lose from a mechanical

Mechanicals are beautiful but come with a host of cons for newer users. The primary being safety and getting poor quality (knock off) batteries could pose harm. Spend some more time with rebuildables before getting into mechanicals.

VV/VW devices are more forgiving and allow you to (more safely) try different builds.

Best of luck.

Thanks. I have tried 3 egos so far and nothing was satisfying. I used 650 mAh ego, unregulated. Battery is the real problem. I thought of moving to VV/VW on first thought, and they should be helpful. These days I am scared of inbuilt batteries. Learnt mechanical should be better with right battery and with due care.
 
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Thanks. I have tried 3 egos so far and nothing was satisfying. I used 650 mAh ego, unregulated. Battery is the real problem. I thought of moving to VV/VW on first thought, and they should be helpful. These days I am scared of inbuilt batteries. Learnt mechanical should be better with right battery and with due care.

Most vv/vw mods don't use inbuilt batteries. They take the same batteries as mechs. With high wattage mods becoming more affordable I'd recommend starting out with them. For example a DNA 30 clone, or one of the newer 50+ Watt clones. Mechs are great, but as they have no safeties it's better to start out with a regulated mod.
 

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Thanks. I have tried 3 egos so far and nothing was satisfying. I used 650 mAh ego, unregulated. Battery is the real problem. I thought of moving to VV/VW on first thought, and they should be helpful. These days I am scared of inbuilt batteries. Learnt mechanical should be better with right battery and with due care.

Yes, it is the battery which is the real problem / concern.
Yes, a vv/vw would be more than helpfull.
Yes, inbuilt batteries are a reason for concern; if there's a problem with a battery you want to be able to replace it and not the entire device.

You said you "Learnt mechanical should be better"; better than what?

A mechanical is just a container for the battery.

A vv/vw mod like the vamo zmax svd tesla provari evic semovar e-lvt etc etc are basically mechanical mods that have electronics built into them; they all use replaceable batteries.
 

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OK. In general, with a right battery, proper care with charging, discharging and with well constructed coil , a mechanical mod is not unsafe. Can I understand this way?

I suppose so; like a firearm, safety is dependent on the knowledge and attention of the user.
 

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You said you "Learnt mechanical should be better"; better than what?

Well, this is what I am thinking. When it comes to replacement, comparing with eGo, I can only replace the (replaceable ) battery. And, comparing with VV/VW Mods, it becomes more complicated for the reason it's more sophisticated IMO. Not sure if I am making sense, but having a simple replaceable battery seem to be better than having a circuit board for all the added facilities. I can't find a VV/VW MOD on any Indian online store. So in case of a failure, I have to wait for a week with best shipments.
 

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Well, this is what I am thinking. When it comes to replacement, comparing with eGo, I can only replace the (replaceable ) battery. And, comparing with VV/VW Mods, it becomes more complicated for the reason it's more sophisticated IMO. Not sure if I am making sense, but having a simple replaceable battery seem to be better than having a circuit board for all the added facilities. I can't find a VV/VW MOD on any Indian online store. So in case of a failure, I have to wait for a week with best shipments.

Oh! Right; you're in India:

You should get a mech like the one I have:
chi you mech which can take an 18650 battery with or without a kick.
If you don't use a kick, you take out the short right you see at the bottom.
If you use a kick, you put in the short ring at the bottom and add the kick inside the tube on top of the battery.

The one reservation I have with this setup is it uses bottom switch, which has the safety issue that a tear on the plastic of the battery can bypass the switch, causeing the mod to fire.
But most mechs are bottom switched; one of the few top fired mechs is the poldiac, but I'm not sure how to mod it to take both a 18650 and a kick. yet; I'm still looking for other top switched mechs.

https://www.fasttech.com/p/1475400
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https://www.fasttech.com/p/1670801
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best way to add a kick is with the sigelei kick adapter which just screws onto the front end of any 510 threaded mech mod.
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hard time finding it though.
http://www.vapvip.com/tienda/gb/accessories-electronic-cigarette/213-sigelei-adapter-for-kick.html


The regular kick modules are designed for bottom switched mechs;
On a top switched mech you have to get the switch to be between the top of the battery and the kick.
Using the sigelei kick adapter, you can put a kick on any mech, whether top fired or bottom fired, and no kick ring/kicktube required.
 
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Oh! Right; you're in India:

You should get a mech like the one I have:
chi you mech which can take an 18650 battery with or without a kick.
If you don't use a kick, you take out the short right you see at the bottom.
If you use a kick, you put in the short ring at the bottom and add the kick inside the tube on top of the battery.

The one reservation I have with this setup is it uses bottom switch, which has the safety issue that a tear on the plastic of the battery can bypass the switch, causeing the mod to fire.
But most mechs are bottom switched; one of the few top fired mechs is the poldiac, but I'm not sure how to mod it to take both a 18650 and a kick. yet; I'm still looking for other top switched mechs.

https://www.fasttech.com/p/1475400
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https://www.fasttech.com/p/1670801
1670801-3.jpg

Can I understand a Kick Module is a protection setup which is optional. In case of failure the kick should be replaced if not discarded I am seeing this kick module for first time. :) Does it make the mod safer? I guess so. (I am not getting pictures on fasttech for now)
 

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Can I understand a Kick Module is a protection setup which is optional. In case of failure the kick should be replaced if not discarded I am seeing this kick module for first time. :) Does it make the mod safer? I guess so. (I am not getting pictures on fasttech for now)

Yes the kick module is an option; if the kick has a problem you can just take it out and vape direct; yes it makes operation safer.

I edited my post to add the sigelei kick adapter which will work with any mech mod, including top fired mechs.
 

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kicks are not designed to be safety devices. they do have protective circuitry, but they are used to regulate power.
they allow unregulated mechs to have features of regulated devices.

they arent needed. kinda defeats the purpose of using a mechanical mod

They don't have protection?
 

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They don't have protection?

Kicks do have short circuit protection by way of a "clicking" sound made when you try to fire your coil (ask me how I know ;) ).....they do not, however, have reverse battery protection.....you will fry the kick if you try to do this......

They will also cut out when your battery gets too far down.......can't remember the exact voltage at which this occurs....

But I agree with Bad Ninja.....they aren't really made to add protection to a mechanical mod......and yeah, they kind of do defeat the purpose of a mech....
 

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They don't have protection?

there are different kicks;
for example the fasttech specs on one vw kick is
Tips: The Kick is boosted power regulation in the form of a drop in module designed to be used in various tube devices with IMR batteries. It will regulate the wattage of mechanical mod / PV from 5.0 to 12.0 Watts depend on your requirement. Foremost, the Kick is designed to be used in 18650 sized metal tube with an IMR 18490 or 18500 battery. It can also be used in 18500 sized metal tube with an IMR 18350 battery.
•Variable wattage - can be adjustable from 5.0 Watts to 12.0 Watts
•Atty resistance - 1.5 ohms to 3.0 ohms
•Short circuit protection
•FYI: How to install
Note: IMR batteries are recommended for use in this device.

then there's the sigelei vw kick
Details:

•Matching with atomizer in a resistance of 1.5ohm-3.0ohm
•Variable wattage: 5W-15W in 1W increment or decrement
•POR: After power on reset, the KICK will get into the alert status if no atomizer installed
•Low voltage protection (below 3.2V)
•Low resistance protection (below 1.0ohm)
•Short circuit protection
•Match with any kind of SIGELEI Telescope, and most full mechanical mods
Note: Please take out the kick when charging the battery.

the first kick only seems to have short circuit protection, but the sigelei kick also has low voltage protection so you don't drain down your battery; and low resistance protection.

some kicks will also have 10 second cutoff I think.


here's the specs on a vv kick
Details:

•Variable Voltage - can be adjustable from 3.2V to 4.8V
•Tolerance: ±0.1V
•Short circuit protection
•Compatible with most mechanical mods

Please note: Power will automatically cut off after 30 seconds of continued use for safety
With this kick you can just set it for 3.7 volts corresponding to the nominal voltage of a lithium battery; with just the battery alone the voltage starts at 4.2 and goes down with usage.
 
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