And here lies the one component that noobs completely forget about. Air management is equally as important as volts ohms or watts. It's also why saying this wattage is better than that wattage has no meaning by itself.
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Mechanical Mods: What's the Attraction?
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And here lies the one component that noobs completely forget about. Air management is equally as important as volts ohms or watts. It's also why saying this wattage is better than that wattage has no meaning by itself.
Saying that .6 ohms at 3.4 volts is like a Blu is completely false. Running a coil like this is the equivalent of running a 2 ohm coil at around 6.5 volts in order to achieve a similar wattage and a similar vape
This conversation is exactly why I like this forum so much. I helps to see the different opinions, and the subjectivity of it all too. Taste is taste I guess, and not fact.
I am still a rookie, more or less, and I gather from some of the stuff I've seen here and elsewhere that's it better to learn how to walk before you learn how to run.
But I'm a tinkerer, too, and like to learn, and the whole mech and rebuildable thing is attractive from that point of view.
I'd already thought about the solar charge, but definitely hadn't considered the treadle option.
But I can see it. I completely admire my neighbors in the twin cities who are riding their bikes around in snow and ice and sub-zero temperatures, happy in their self sufficiency. Or the guy I met who figured out how to pump his water with a modified bicycle. Its pretty cool.
One thing at a time, for me anyway. But who knows? Maybe on down the road. The gizmos sure have an appeal, as does the attention to detail, and self sufficiency.
Though I have to say this "e-cig" world moves faster than the speed of light, with tons of innovation and evolution. Pretty fun to be checking it all out, and the learning about it all is big part of why I like it. And of course the vapor; I don't miss analogs at all.
Happy new year.
I am still a rookie, more or less, and I gather from some of the stuff I've seen here and elsewhere that's it better to learn how to walk before you learn how to run.
But I'm a tinkerer, too, and like to learn, and the whole mech and rebuildable thing is attractive from that point of view.
I'd already thought about the solar charge, but definitely hadn't considered the treadle option.
But I can see it. I completely admire my neighbors in the twin cities who are riding their bikes around in snow and ice and sub-zero temperatures, happy in their self sufficiency. Or the guy I met who figured out how to pump his water with a modified bicycle. Its pretty cool. One thing at a time, for me anyway. But who knows? Maybe on down the road. The gizmos sure have an appeal, as does the attention to detail, and self sufficiency.
Though I have to say this "e-cig" world moves faster than the speed of light, with tons of innovation and evolution. Pretty fun to be checking it all out, and the learning about it all is big part of why I like it. And of course the vapor; I don't miss analogs at all.
Happy new year.
As soon as I switched from regulated to mech mods and sub ohm builds I knew I found MY perfect vape. Now this may not be YOUR perfect vape but it's what works for me. As far as vape quality, I love the hot full flavored vape I get from a good sub ohm microcoil with cotton. And since I'm running such high wattage (usually in the ballpark of 25-30) I don't have to take 10 second drags to get a full satisfying vape. Usually 1-2 second drags which really is much more similar to the feeling of actual smoking. Something I couldn't get with a regulated device. I also love the look, feel and simplicity of mech mods and the ability to change their size and run different batteries.
But hey, that's just what works for me.
But hey, that's just what works for me.
Why did I choose a mechanical mod? Value... reliability and performance at low cost. I am an electronics guy so I am aware of battery risks, safety, etc. This is not really hard... at all. I need money to pay for my kids more than I need to vape, so I have serious budget constraints.
Hcigar clone of Sentinel M16 mod: $35
Hcigar clone of Kayfun 3.1: $50
Battery charger: $10
18650 batteries (qty 3): $30
Kanthal A1 resistance wire, 100 ft: $8
Cotton balls, organic (lifetime supply of wick): $3
total investment: $136
I experimented with microcoils at 2.0, 1.8, 1.6, 1.4, and 1.2 ohms... ultimately decided that 1.6 ohms in my Kayfun clone gave me the vape I wanted with the juice I liked. It has been flawless. The so-called "mod" is just a battery case. I could make one that works with the junk in my workbench area if I had to, but $35 for a mech mod is much cheaper to me than a couple hours of my time to make one. I have no need for the unit to tell me ohms, watts or anything like that because I routinely use multimeters I can do simple math effortlessly (differential equations take more time and effort). I can keep my switch locked when the mod is not in use or take the battery out if I want to be really safe... In fact, all I need is for the mod (battery case) to house my battery and for my switch to reliably apply voltage to my coil on demand.
I have tried many other e-cig setups (BLU, ego c-twist, cartomizers, RBAs, leaky RTAs, etc.) before I decided to get my own, and many were plagued with problems I didn't want to deal with (short battery life, cartos dead out of the box, etc.)... many were more expensive than liked... and others didn't deliver the quality (flavor, vapor production, throat hit, etc) that I was looking for.
Mech mod + kayfun = me happy and not using tobacco.
Hcigar clone of Sentinel M16 mod: $35
Hcigar clone of Kayfun 3.1: $50
Battery charger: $10
18650 batteries (qty 3): $30
Kanthal A1 resistance wire, 100 ft: $8
Cotton balls, organic (lifetime supply of wick): $3
total investment: $136
I experimented with microcoils at 2.0, 1.8, 1.6, 1.4, and 1.2 ohms... ultimately decided that 1.6 ohms in my Kayfun clone gave me the vape I wanted with the juice I liked. It has been flawless. The so-called "mod" is just a battery case. I could make one that works with the junk in my workbench area if I had to, but $35 for a mech mod is much cheaper to me than a couple hours of my time to make one. I have no need for the unit to tell me ohms, watts or anything like that because I routinely use multimeters I can do simple math effortlessly (differential equations take more time and effort). I can keep my switch locked when the mod is not in use or take the battery out if I want to be really safe... In fact, all I need is for the mod (battery case) to house my battery and for my switch to reliably apply voltage to my coil on demand.
I have tried many other e-cig setups (BLU, ego c-twist, cartomizers, RBAs, leaky RTAs, etc.) before I decided to get my own, and many were plagued with problems I didn't want to deal with (short battery life, cartos dead out of the box, etc.)... many were more expensive than liked... and others didn't deliver the quality (flavor, vapor production, throat hit, etc) that I was looking for.
Mech mod + kayfun = me happy and not using tobacco.
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OOOOOO! That bottom one has all kinds of features, and is easily replaced inexpensively if I break it or lose it.
BTW: Neither are mechanical. Unless you have to wind that Rolex.
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Seriously, what I like about VV mods...or any regulated mod...is the voltage regulation and the short protection. Both give me a consistent low risk vape. But to each their own. The sub-ohm crew loves the mechs for wattage reasons mostly.
I don't buy into the "lasts forever" thing, personally. Heck, in a few years battery tech will probably change and we'll all need new mods anyway. Like I said...to each their own.
I don't buy into the "lasts forever" thing, personally. Heck, in a few years battery tech will probably change and we'll all need new mods anyway. Like I said...to each their own.
It all seems subjective to me. I've been doing just fine with my basic starter kit for now.
Yeah. It's TOTALLY subjective. And largely...will work out...which ever way you pick! But it does promote interesting threads.
That's not saying there's no differences.
I chuckle when people start threads and they've been using cig-a-likes for years with no problems. And everyone insists they have to change to something else. They don't. They can. They MAY be happier. But they may not. Form factor is a big issue for some.
What ever gets you off the stinkies. That's a win. Cig-a-like, eGo-like, or other. All can work out.
I use both as well... As they have their benefits and drawbacks..
I also buy shoes for a variety of uses and looks/feel... We have a closet full of clothes... Some are more for fashion or current culture and some are for specific purposes.... I love the variety of products in the vape world...
I also buy shoes for a variety of uses and looks/feel... We have a closet full of clothes... Some are more for fashion or current culture and some are for specific purposes.... I love the variety of products in the vape world...
as long as it isn't a lit cigarette, who gives a care what you like to put in your mouth
For me the attraction IS simplicity. I like not having to worry about circuit boards failing or limiting what I want to do with my coil. I'm not into sub ohms but I do build my own coils so I prefer to manage my watts with the coil rather than with buttons.
I also want to keep my device on the smaller size & mechs are nice for this.
I also want to keep my device on the smaller size & mechs are nice for this.
I see these threads pop up fairly regularly... the answers are always the same, and all are valid. Everything that's been said about mechanicals (durability, less to break, versatility of firing any resistance, simplicity, etc) are great reasons to own at least one mechanical. For me there is an additional reason - beauty. They just don't make regulated mods with that are stunning to look at. At least not yet.
I see these threads pop up fairly regularly... the answers are always the same, and all are valid. Everything that's been said about mechanicals (durability, less to break, versatility of firing any resistance, simplicity, etc) are great reasons to own at least one mechanical. For me there is an additional reason - beauty. They just don't make regulated mods with that are stunning to look at. At least not yet.
beautiful.
back on topic. i find them (as a n00b) very easy to start with (after reading over safety a million and a half times)
I love both. I have a kayfun on a ProVari and a kayfun on a Nemesis. I have an Ithaka on an different ProVari and a Trident v2 on a different Nemesis. I also have a Reo Grand with a Reomizer2 going at the moment. The only thing under an ohm is the kayfun on the Nemmy. It's at .9 ohm because I twisted .28 and .30 ga kanthal together to see what would happen. It's awesome, by the way.
I don't care for sub ohm vaping but I do love the simplicity and adjustability of the mechs. Any battery size, adjustable pins and they're really nice looking. I guess I use mechs more than VV but not much more. They are way better looking! There's just not much to go wrong with them. I do have a Semovar on the way, though....this could all change.
I don't care for sub ohm vaping but I do love the simplicity and adjustability of the mechs. Any battery size, adjustable pins and they're really nice looking. I guess I use mechs more than VV but not much more. They are way better looking! There's just not much to go wrong with them. I do have a Semovar on the way, though....this could all change.
you just got to try one bro. I got well over $2k in mods but there was a time not long ago I said the same exact thing! Also if your thinking about the provari id get a vaporshark instead. The provari is just a fancy vamo (please provari people leave me alone cuzz you know its true)
That's changing. There are regulated devices out there that will do 50 watts now like The Duke and at $135 it's not expensive.
The power available with mechanical mods was one of the main reasons I switched to them last year, but that's not everything. The picture includes the availability of good, inexpensive mods that are dependable and tough with no electronics to break. IMO it's the whole package that is creating the mech mod craze right now. OTOH, if you don't know what you're doing you can hurt yourself or others.
I doubt mech mods will ever go away, but I also doubt their popularity will last much longer. I see new high power regulated devices taking over in a little while. But that's just my
While I think you are correct that high-power regulated devices will become more popular in the future, there are a few things mechs will still hold as a great advantage, and that's cost and size. To have a reliable high power regulated device, you are going to have to pay a decent amount of money.
With a mech I can spend $30 and get something that will safely and reliably pump out 50 watts all day long. I can't see that ever being true for a regulated device. The other issue is size. Regulated tube mods are usually an inch or two taller than a mech with equal batt configuration. Whatever the configuration regulated mods will always be larger, and size is an issue for many people.
The main reason I love mechs is because they can pack a huge punch in a small, simple, reliable, sleek package. Vaping at 20 watts on a device barely taller than a 350mAh eGo battery is simply good times. I can drop my mechs without worrying about cracking a display, or knocking a board component loose. I don't have to worry about my button wearing out and constantly misfiring.
Also, I am unfortunately one of those people who can easily detect low-frequency PWM and find it negatively effects every aspect of the vape. The vapor feels thinner, sharper, and harsher to me. Flavor is muted and muddy. So while it's possible to match some of the power levels of a mech with a regulated device, for me personally it's even more difficult/expensive to get a pleasing vape from a regulated device as I'd need a higher end device such as a DNA20, Provari, or nivel chip.
From a looks standpoint, the majority of regulated devices just look too much like typical cheap consumer electronics. Mechs on the other hand usually look more like an industrial tool, or a piece of art.
Mechs: Reliability, consistency, durability, and POWER. Regulation? We don't need no stinkin regulation
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I like the way you think!
I'm probably repeating what's already been said, but for me, vaping has become not just a way of getting away from cigarettes, it's become a hobby.
Part of that hobby has been building and experimenting with different types of coils and wicks, and a mech allows me to play around with those different setups to see what works and what doesn't.
If it weren't for that aspect of it, I'd still be happy with my Ego C-twists and my Kanger Protanks, but I wanted more.
What can I say, I like tinkering with shiny things, lol.
I like mechanical mods since I can get a lot more power out of them. I tend to vape my mechanical mods on dual coils at 0.6 ohm resistance... with that I get around 23-29 watts output... which produces nice, warm, thick clouds of vapor goodness. You just can't get that kind of performance from an APV. The only down side is that it is taxing the battery and lowering the lifetime of the battery significantly but batteries are fairly cheap to replace anyways.
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