melted tank and tongue feels funny

[GraceH]

First off I'm new to DIY. I made tow single flavor 5ml batches; Boysenberry (tfa), and watermelon (fa). I neglected to label them thinking I could tell them apart by smell. (mistake one, learned). I mixed them both ar 20% 50/50 pg/vg. i tanked them both. I don't have a dripping atty and thought it was no big deal using only single flavors (mistake 2). They both tasted aweful. VERY shorty after I tried them I notice one wasn't looking right in the tank. Kinda foggy. So I dumped it and tried to clean out the tank. To late, its ruined. Like the inside was melting and eaten away. Floggy and clumps of plastic caked on the sides. Not even a toothbrush can clean it out. What the heck happened??? Any Ideas?? I'm not really sure which flavor did it either because they both tasted aweful.

Oh annnd my tongue is kinda tingly.

 

[wonderland]

Doh! I'd like to know which one it was too since I have that TFA Boysenberry on the way!

 

[Talyon]

No idea. But I sure wouldn't vape it lol

How's the tongue now?

 

[GraceH]

the tip is numb

 

[salemgold]

Certain flavors ( mostly fruits) can not be used in plastic tanks. They will melt the plastic as you found out. Hang on and I will post a link with more info for you.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-juices-flavors-crack-tanks-ce2s-clearos.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...wbs-about-flavors-kill-tank-carto-clearo.html

 

[GraceH]

I knew about cinnamon, bannana, and strong citrus flavors melting tanks. But I know watermelon is fine. Is Boysenberry safe?

 

[salemgold]

I knew about cinnamon, bannana, and strong citrus flavors melting tanks. But I know watermelon is fine. Is Boysenberry safe?

I have never tried that flavor. If it has sour notes, there is a possibilty that it could would. That does not mean that these flavors are any less safe to vape, only that you need to use glass or SS tanks with them. They have a chemical reacation with polycarbonate.

 

[salemgold]

Also, mixing at 20% is rather high IMO. Especially for fruit flavors. It is always best to start low, let it steep overnight and then move up from there if needed.

Some fruit flavors with sour notes actually give me sores in my mouth if I vape too much of them. Just like sucking on sour candy for too long will do. Too much acid.

I hope that info helps you and good luck.

 

[StereoDreamer]

I have just about EVERY "berry" that TFA makes--Raspberry, Blackberry, Boysenberry, Strawberry (no blueberry yet), and I can tell you that they are all very concentrated, and that 20% is probably WAY too much flavoring.

Boysenberry seems to be ESPECIALLY strong, and I haven't been able to make a juice from it with concentrations higher than 10% that was vapable, and to be honest, my next batch of Boysenberry will probably have less than 9% Boysenberry flavoring in it to get it to taste right.

I haven't noticed it etching my tanks though. That is a disturbing revelation. I've never heard of boysenberry being a plastic tank killing flavor...

I just got some Watermelon flavoring from TFA yesterday, and I'm planning to make some juice from it Sunday. I'd say the same there--probably want to start at around 8-10% flavoring, and if that's not strong enough, make a second batch with a little more.

But yeah, with TFA flavorings, 20% is probably WAY too much for most flavors.

Interesting thing about flavor concentrates--too little and your juice tastes muted and weak. But if you use too much flavoring, the juice will just be bitter, nasty and gross-tasting.

One more thing--ANY juice, made with ANY brand flavoring will taste HORRIBLE when you first make it. Shaking or stirring it by hand just doesn't seem to get the ingredients evenly dispersed, and the flavors don't really have a chance to mix and "marry". If you don't want to wait overnight (I used to let my new juices sit overnight), you need to get an ultrasonic cleaner (like for cleaning jewelry). You can get small ones for $30 or so online or at Harbor Freight. (I got the big 2.5 liter unit at my local Harbor Freight store--it does WONDERS!)

Using an ultrasonic cleaner to "shake" your juices, you can get the equivalent of 1-2 WEEKS of steeping at room temperature in about 2-4 hours time. If you are serious about DIY, an ultrasonic cleaner is ESSENTIAL, in my opinion.

There is a good thread on this here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-ultrasonic-cleaner-part-ii.html#post7704086

and it is continued here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eeping-times-ultrasonic-cleaner-part-iii.html

 

[GraceH]

Check on the ultrasonic (i'm a jewlery hoarder. grin). I have been using it to steep. But I was inpatient with it wanting to use my new toy with it. I think your onto something on it being too strong.

I have one Killer clone drying out now. And other flavors in the ultrasonic but I did mix those at 20% also. They are 5ml in 10ml bottles so I'll go add more pg/vg now.

 

[shynsly]

i have used TPA watermelon at about 10%, havent tried boysenberry yet. And i have used ripe banana in a mix with no problems but at a low percentage of 4-5%. Steeping definitely helps, but i am using a ultrasonic cleaner to expedite that process. Most fruit flavors i have mixed have been under 10%. It also could be that you got some cheap tanks too, lots of copycat garbage out there.

Hope you feel better!

 

[salemgold]

BTW- You may want to start rinsing with warm salt water to heal your tongue. My guess is that the hot plastic may have burned it. Ouch

 

[wonderland]

On TFA's site, it recommends no more than 5% Boysenberry or the flavor will be off.

 

[Rin13]

Someone else on here was having issues with I believe strawberry. His was bad, sores and what not. Maybe the citric acid or whatever makes it sour can cause/awaken sensitivities in people. I have never, personally, had a reaction with any flavorings/e-liquids but I always start at low percentages. I don't think I've ever gone about 15% and it was only a couple times w/ a flavor that wasn't very strong.

 

[StereoDreamer]

On TFA's site, it recommends no more than 5% Boysenberry or the flavor will be off.

Well, that explains why my first batch of Boysenberry juice was so nasty...

 

[zapped]

Melon and citrus can also cause this in a tank, in addition to cinnamon. Id recommend getting Kanger Protank or a quality pyrex carto tank and never having to worry about that particular problem ever again.

You'll probably also find the taste is clearer with pyrex as well. Its like drinking champagne from a glass or from a dixie cup.

 

[StereoDreamer]

You'll probably also find the taste is clearer with pyrex as well. Its like drinking champagne from a glass or from a dixie cup.

Dude, I hate to break it to you, but the taste of champagne has 0% to do do with the material from which the container one is drinking form is made, as long as that material isn't leaching weird flavors or smells.

The perceived "flavor" of champagne (or any wine) is more than 50% based on the SHAPE of the container, which allows the aroma to escape and collect properly under your nose, depending on the type of wine. Since perceived flavor is almost as dependent on smell as it is on actual taste, as long as the container isn't imparting "off smells" or "off tastes" to the champagne (or e-liquid), the material from which it is made should have no effect whatsoever on the perceived flavor.

Also, it is a scientificlly proved fact that the VISUAL cues of good stemware actually contribute significantly to the perceived flavor of wine.

So, to boil it all down, the perceived flavor of champagne is MOSTLY in your nose and in your imagination, and not much in your mouth at all. ;-)

Just sayin'...

 

[JD1]

Which tank was it, if you don't mind. I've read a few tank cracking threads where flavors that aren't normally considered bad are cracking tanks (green apple for example). I'm starting to wonder if there's more than two types of plastic used for tank material.

Edit: ps: Here's hoping that your tongue has made a full recovery by now.

 

[zapped]

Dude, I hate to break it to you, but the taste of champagne has 0% to do do with the material from which the container one is drinking form is made, as long as that material isn't leaching weird flavors or smells.

The perceived "flavor" of champagne (or any wine) is more than 50% based on the SHAPE of the container, which allows the aroma to escape and collect properly under your nose, depending on the type of wine. Since perceived flavor is almost as dependent on smell as it is on actual taste, as long as the container isn't imparting "off smells" or "off tastes" to the champagne (or e-liquid), the material from which it is made should have no effect whatsoever on the perceived flavor.

Also, it is a scientificlly proved fact that the VISUAL cues of good stemware actually contribute significantly to the perceived flavor of wine.

So, to boil it all down, the perceived flavor of champagne is MOSTLY in your nose and in your imagination, and not much in your mouth at all. ;-)

Just sayin'...

Dude, I hate to break it to ya but you're talking to a bartender of 25 years. Try telling that to someone who doesn't know any better. There's a reason why decent bars and nicer restaurants serve their drinks from glass when it would be far cheaper to just buy plastic and its not just based on appearance. It's because glass is non-reactive where most metals and plastics aren't. Its also the reason why Pyrex is used in laboratory settings because it cant skew the results of delicate experiments.

There doesn't have to be any visible leeching or spider-webbing of the plastic to impart flavor to a liquid either.Some people are VERY sensitive to plastic and metallic tastes, others not so much and I'm guessing you fall into the latter category. Don't make the mistake of thinking everyone else is exactly like you.

MOST people prefer liquids out of glass over plastic, metal and styro-foam, that's also a well documented fact and evident to anyone who cares to check.

Just sayin'...

 

[skydragon]

How would IClears do with citric juices?