Why you so mad? Lol.
You seem to be personally offended by the post. It's just an internet post about what I and probably many people want out of our money. Have a vape and relax.
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Why you so mad? Lol.
You seem to be personally offended by the post. It's just an internet post about what I and probably many people want out of our money. Have a vape and relax.
there is a wealth of information on this site... posts like these demonstrate a lack of effort to understand an issue/concern before spouting off... almost everyone would like their favorite liquids pre-steeped...
the op's concern has been adequately addressed so many times...
there are many reasons... good reasons...
I think the best answer is to put yourself in the position of a typical vendor...
imagine you have 3-5 grand to start up with and go from there...
it's just you or you and a pal...
nic, base, flavorings, bottles, packaging, managing online orders, paying taxes, managing a menu of 20 flavors at 3 different strengths with 3 different pg/vg ratios, managing an inventory that is constantly being depleted, dealing with problems, answering questions, promoting your business, developing/refining flavors, running out of supplies, anticipating how much of everything you need...
and you want them to stockpile liquid to pre-steeped when they can't even keep up with their orders? or keep enough product in their inventory?
the op's concern has been adequately addressed so many times...
there are many reasons... good reasons...
I think the best answer is to put yourself in the position of a typical vendor...
imagine you have 3-5 grand to start up with and go from there...
it's just you or you and a pal...
nic, base, flavorings, bottles, packaging, managing online orders, paying taxes, managing a menu of 20 flavors at 3 different strengths with 3 different pg/vg ratios, managing an inventory that is constantly being depleted, dealing with problems, answering questions, promoting your business, developing/refining flavors, running out of supplies, anticipating how much of everything you need...
and you want them to stockpile liquid to pre-steeped when they can't even keep up with their orders? or keep enough product in their inventory?
Why should I or anyone do that? My only concern is that I want my juice steeped. If you have heard that a million times, and it annoys you than I'm sorry that you had to hear again.
I don't see your point of having to spend so much time educating myself on the logistics of juice making. Just as juice makers wouldn't be as interested in my story as they would be to collecting my money, I wouldn't be as interested in their story as I would be to the quality of their juice.
The easiest thing to do is for a vendor to come up with a thousand reasons to attribute to how a customer's needs can NOT be met. For a consumer, all these reasons you name about the many ways a juice can't be pre-steeped is not "wealth of information," as you called it, but in fact it's the opposite.
Customers aren't interested in CAN'T. They are interested in CAN.
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Some "premium" juice vendors mix to order, as they offer custom mices of both flavor and pg/vg ratio, and thus can not sell the juice pre-steeped. That's perfectly fine by me.
OP, just avoid those you don't like and everybody is happy.
OP, just avoid those you don't like and everybody is happy.
They are charging 7.99 for 10ml bottles of Liqua at the B&M near me.
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If it was easy and cost-effective to sell all juice "steeped" don't you think vendors would? I just don't understand why anyone would think vendors that don't steep are pulling some kind of scam. What would be the advantage?
While I do still buy some premium juices here and there and I do like the customizable ratios and flavorings some offer by doing it fresh, I agree with the point the OP is making. We all know how much they are spending on their supplies and that it is costing them no more than $1 per 10 ml including packaging such as bottles and labels (those cost money too). So by doing the math most premium juice vendors have anywhere from 500% to a 1000% mark up. There are obviously costs to doing business such accounting software, cc processing fees, website, hosting, a place to work, time to develop their flavor to perfection etc, etc, etc and I fully respect that. But those business costs don't translate to 500-1000% product markup as that's a slap in the face to consumers in any market. Many will eat the inflated purchase price and see it as a "convenience" tax, and others will tell them selves its still less than smoking so that makes them feel better (there is nothing wrong with either of these viewpoints). I am only lobbying on the OP's behalf on the sheer markup is over the top and out of control.
Like many others, if you see a hole in the market, fill it.
Get the supplies, mix it to the way you like it, then start selling it in 6 weeks.
Get some more supplies, mix tomorrow (or in a week) for the next batch, and the next, and the next.
Only take orders up to the amount you have that will be ready that week. (or that you have left over from last week, or the week before)
Hope you have enough capital to get your through it. If you do, and can market it correctly, You will have some customers.
Get the supplies, mix it to the way you like it, then start selling it in 6 weeks.
Get some more supplies, mix tomorrow (or in a week) for the next batch, and the next, and the next.
Only take orders up to the amount you have that will be ready that week. (or that you have left over from last week, or the week before)
Hope you have enough capital to get your through it. If you do, and can market it correctly, You will have some customers.
In my experience the majority of liquids I have tried taste good or great right out of the mailbox. As the liquid ages it can take on different characteristics. Sometimes there is a noticeable improvement, but sometimes they actually taste worse. Also isn't steeping generally a personal preference? Most vendors I have ordered from don't include a warning stating "This juice will not be vapable for at least two weeks"
With the 100's of and getting to be 1000's of "juice" makers out there, the fly by night startups you describe will eventually get weeded out since they cannot offer a full featured experience with all the bells and whistles (good service, support, inventory, updating products, multiple premium juice and not just the same flavors everyone else has). What these folks need to do is then reinvest their profits to make the business bigger better and stronger. IF they don't grow and refine, then they will flounder and wilt away. I do not want to buy juice from another hobbiest in their unclean garage even if they created a flavor called vapogasm that did exactly that. Well I might buy one or two bottles...
But that's not enough to make a business grow and succeed on its own.
Five Pawns pre-steeps its juices.
That's not entirely true. Some vendors of made-to-order e-liquids use an ultrasonic cleaner to pre-steep juices after they're mixed. Some people believe that one hour in an ultrasonic cleaner is the rough equivalent of one week of steeping.
There is also the cost and time it takes to develop good juice. Lot of experimenting goes into that. its easy to make juice....its hard to make really kick ... juice.
Though agree I wont pay 20.00 for a 30mls... There are far to many really good premium companies that charge in the 11-16.00 range.
PS... Digging the name
You have a killer avatar...Honestly then why don't you shop somewhere else
There are vendors out there who have presteeped in all price range
if enough people really are not interested in cant then guess what they go out of business
if there are enough people who are interested then there is a market and they stay in business
That is the American way ( at least it used to be)
I don't believe in protesting or rallying against a business to force them to change
I may send in a complaint and let it go they can take it or leave it
I see so much of the opposite attitude last 4 or 5 years or so
and that is outright scary
people don't realize the consequence's of that type of society anymore
Then why are you protesting this thread? Pot meet kettle? This thread has not rallied against any business, rather a business practice that if vendors listened to what some people wanted they could get an idea on how to make their business a little better. The OP is basically doing exactly what you point out by send out the feed back, just on a broad spectrum rather than to a single business. I believe it was John Ritter that said, "where there's a will theres an A"
Then why are you protesting this thread? Pot meet kettle? This thread has not rallied against any business, rather a business practice that if vendors listened to what some people wanted they could get an idea on how to make their business a little better. The OP is basically doing exactly what you point out by send out the feed back, just on a broad spectrum rather than to a single business. I believe it was John Ritter that said, "where there's a will theres an A"
Im not protesting the thread and I have no problem with people voicing there opinion
But when it goes beyond that and starts sounding like wanting to force change its concerning
I have seen so many articles in the news along those line
people were standing outside a restaurant protesting because they did not allow children a few weeks ago
there are consequences to these type of societies and were falling into it with eyes wide closed
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