Message to premium eJuice vendors

[stevegmu]

I want my juice steeped, especially when I pay up for it. You are so offended by that and the free market lessons, you forgot the original point.

Actually, no. You were crying about how 'expensive' juices don't come pre-steeped. I stated I don't know any premium juices- those $20 +/30ml. that don't come pre-steeped. They may not be pre-steeped enough for you, but they certainly are for the vast majority of people who buy them and keep buying them.

 

[Calivapr123]

(yawn) good night.

 

[y cherry y]

(yawn) good night.

Yawn is right.

There are very good reasons why juice makers who do not have multi-million-dollar operations cannot have every flavor in every mix ratio and nic strength onhand in unlimited quantity and steeped to perfection at all times. If that isn't clear as a bell to everyone who vapes by now, those who don't understand will never understand. These threads are as old as Moses. What's the point of rehashing this stuff every week?

 

[lam7]

Not sure where you are going. Your bottom-dollar Hangsen and other Chinese-made mystery juices certainly don't provide immediate gratification, except for those on a budget, who force themselves to vape sewage juice for the sake of saving a buck.
You are also not happy with 'premium' juices. Maybe you should try pre-filled cartos.

Actually, it is. They do come pre-steeped. Some not as long as others, if they are low on stock, but they are all pre-steeped.

I'm not on a budget. If you think I buy "sewage" because i'm too poor to vape the "good stuff" you are either trying to justify your own xenophobia or are shilling for somebody. I have spent well over a thousand dollars on chasing the hype and have recently found Liqua juices... almost as a method of last resort because I've tried everyone else. I find Liqua Coffee and Tiramisiu to be the best tasting (of that category) out there.

What the OP says is very true. For every hyped juice that turns out tasting like crap, I get the "Oh you have to let it steep for a month for it to really come out."

I wander what these folks would say if they bought a bought of Johnny Walker Black and were told they needed to hold on to it for 12 years before being able to drink it.

For the record, I've found only one juice maker (BWB) that was worth the hype -- and most of his stuff tastes good right out of the bottle.

 

[Evil Speakers]

Yawn is right.

There are very good reasons why juice makers who do not have multi-million-dollar operations cannot have every flavor in every mix ratio and nic strength onhand in unlimited quantity and steeped to perfection at all times. If that isn't clear as a bell to everyone who vapes by now, those who don't understand will never understand. These threads are as old as Moses. What's the point of rehashing this stuff every week?

Exactly!! I grew up in a family that owned a small business. My parents earned a decent living, but were never close to being wealthy. Nonetheless, there were some people that always thought they were secretly ripping everyone off and laughing all the way to the bank. Unless you have owned and operated your own e-juice company, you have no idea what it's like. Starting and running your own business is always far more difficult than it appears to be.

 

[rlh445]

Part of being on bleeding edge.
Don't want to do that, get a Blu or an Njoy.

They are still perfecting lots of delivery systems, power systems, and e-liqs. Give it 10 years. Think of the computers and some of the first home computers. (or some of the first cars!)
This tech isn't 10 years old yet.
There is straight dependable tech, and e-liqs and power systems available. The problem is, we are looking for more than just OK, I guess it works.
Sometimes when you do that, you have to fiddle with things.

Um, no. My Siegeli Vmax and Kanger Protank are hardly on the, 'bleeding edge' and the vendors I am talking about have been around more than long enough. You're exactly the type of person I was talking about in my post. I'M the consumer. I'M the one paying money for these products. I SHOULD be complaining if things aren't up to standards THEY SET. If THEY can't offer that, they shouldn't say they can. It's not up to ME to lower MY standards, it's up to THEM to live up to them. Period.

Eliquid is eliquid. This isn't some newfangled hoverboard, it's vaping. I've HAD great tasting juice right out of the mailbox, so I know it's already possible. Ten years, what a joke of a post.

 

[Mimikim1234]

~ $20+ for 30ml of eJuice is a lot of money to pay for liquid. In fact, it is equivalent to buying a $500 bottle of wine.

For that money the price per ml can match some of the most premium alcohol that has been aged for years. If i'm going to pay that much, I expect my juices to be steeped. It does not make sense to pay premium for something I need to wait several weeks for it to steep. I pay and would like to vape it right out of the bottle, much like I would pay for a good wine, brandy or champagne.

The wine isn't a good comparison, since it's not consumed at the same rate. Someone might very well drink a bottle of wine in an hour (not me, of course *looks down at the floor* lol), but most people don't even use that much e liquid in a month since the average wine bottle holds 750 mls (which would be 25 mls of e liquid each day).
I do agree that I wish my e liquid would come pre-steeped, at any price. However, there are so many preferences with mix options, nic levels, extra flavoring, etc., that it would be hard to know what people are going to order, and eventually the nic in the e liquid, along with flavorings, would degrade (even under the best conditions). I guess I would rather have it fresh, and let it steep, than get something that's been around for too long. I suppose the people who sell it for outrageous prices could afford to throw away a few bottles if they go bad, or offer a discount on stuff that's old. I've seen discounted e liquid described as "well aged".
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the manufacturers don't want to throw away old product, so the best way around that is to make it to order. And with anything that's popular, there's going to be a "premium" version. It may be worth it to some, and that's great if it makes them happy.

 

[Mike Sheda]

Um, no. My Siegeli Vmax and Kanger Protank are hardly on the, 'bleeding edge' and the vendors I am talking about have been around more than long enough. You're exactly the type of person I was talking about in my post. I'M the consumer. I'M the one paying money for these products. I SHOULD be complaining if things aren't up to standards THEY SET. If THEY can't offer that, they shouldn't say they can. It's not up to ME to lower MY standards, it's up to THEM to live up to them. Period.

Eliquid is eliquid. This isn't some newfangled hoverboard, it's vaping. I've HAD great tasting juice right out of the mailbox, so I know it's already possible. Ten years, what a joke of a post.

Is that the Pro-Tank, the Pro-tank 1.5 or the Pro-TankV2 (let's see.. when was the first ProTank released again? ) Yup.. these are definitely decades old tried and true technologies!

Again, there are vendors out there that have pre-steeped, even some "premium" vendors with pre-steeped. But, you get what they say you get, no extra shots, limited choice of PG/VG % and nic MGs.

yeah.. your the consumer, and the consumer is always right! (as a former business owner, you're the type of customer that when they said they were never going to come back into my store, I would say - promise? )

these shops are run by humans. Sorry, not everything is perfectly run the way you want it to be. But you know, there is a solution to that. Start your Own business. You obviously know what SHOULD and MUST be done. I'm sure you will be successful!

(and that damn QB should have handed off that ball, any idiot could see there was a blitz on...)

 

[Evil Speakers]

Mike Sheda, sorry for the brief derail, but is that a foil covered Dachshund in your avatar?

 

[Mike Sheda]

Mike Sheda, sorry for the brief derail, but is that a foil covered Dachshund in your avatar?

Yup...

It grew out of a Conspiracy theory thread one night, that I realized that not only do you need to wear a tin hat, but so do your Pets! It's not enough to protect yourself from them gubbermint mind rays, but if you leave your pets unprotected, they can use them mind rays on them to spy on you and see what your doing! (damn gubbermint... messing up 'Murica!)

 

[Evil Speakers]

Yup...

It grew out of a Conspiracy theory thread one night, that I realized that not only do you need to wear a tin hat, but so do your Pets! It's not enough to protect yourself from them gubbermint mind rays, but if you leave your pets unprotected, they can use them mind rays on them to spy on you and see what your doing! (damn gubbermint... messing up 'Murica!)

I don't know, in my experience Dachshunds are pretty darned stubborn. They might be safe from such tactics.

 

[stevegmu]

I'm not on a budget. If you think I buy "sewage" because i'm too poor to vape the "good stuff" you are either trying to justify your own xenophobia or are shilling for somebody. I have spent well over a thousand dollars on chasing the hype and have recently found Liqua juices... almost as a method of last resort because I've tried everyone else. I find Liqua Coffee and Tiramisiu to be the best tasting (of that category) out there.

What the OP says is very true. For every hyped juice that turns out tasting like crap, I get the "Oh you have to let it steep for a month for it to really come out."

I wander what these folks would say if they bought a bought of Johnny Walker Black and were told they needed to hold on to it for 12 years before being able to drink it.

For the record, I've found only one juice maker (BWB) that was worth the hype -- and most of his stuff tastes good right out of the bottle.

There are always people who won't be satisfied with anything. If the premium mixers weren't making a quality product, they would soon find themselves out of customers, once the 'hype' has worn off. Oddly, they seem to be growing. They charge whatever price point the market will tolerate.

If the bottom dollar mystery juices could command a premium price, I'm sure the re-sellers would raise the prices. At one point, they may have been as costly as the premium juices, but had to lower and lower their prices to retain customers. They go after the people who don't care if it is a quality product, but simply buy to meet a price point. If you think the premium mixers don't steep enough, you won't be satisfied with anything. If they steeped longer and were constantly out of stock, you'd be the first complaining they are out of stock.

 

[Mike Sheda]

I don't know, in my experience Dachshunds are pretty darned stubborn. They might be safe from such tactics.

Doxies are great... I have two, both used! (there are many people that don't understand them, and think they are cute so get one, but aren't prepared for them)

Get rescues before puppies! (not only are they great, but they are usually cheaper as well)

 

[Mike Sheda]

I wonder if I should have said my doxies were pre-steeped

 

[Evil Speakers]

Doxies are great... I have two, both used! (there are many people that don't understand them, and think they are cute so get one, but aren't prepared for them)

Get rescues before puppies! (not only are they great, but they are usually cheaper as well)

I used to own two... Stupid ex-wife got them in the divorce. They are great... and weird, stubborn, hilarious. Definitely smarter than people realize.

Okay, I'll stop... You all can get back to arguing.

 

[Mike Sheda]

I used to own two... Stupid ex-wife got them in the divorce. They are great... and weird, stubborn, hilarious. Definitely smarter than people realize.

Okay, I'll stop... You all can get back to arguing.

That can easily be taken care of
Petfinder Adopted Dog | Dachshund | Lawrence, KS | Baxter

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I suspect the new, premium (priced) ejuice vendors are poised not to appeal to the center of gravity of the ECF membership, but rather to tomorrow's vapers.

 

[Evil Speakers]

That can easily be taken care of
Petfinder Adopted Dog | Dachshund | Lawrence, KS | Baxter

He is a handsome guy for sure, but my fiance and I are currently in the process of adopting a rescue dog. He's a Corgi/Yorkshire terrier mix. Maybe down the road we'll add a Dachshund to the family. I do miss having one around.

 

[misterholidayhouse]

I don't know what all the arguing is about. The OP just wanted to put it out there that there is a segment of consumers that would like to buy pre-steeped premium juices. Personally I think any decent vendor that markets their juices this way will benefit big time! I've been in sales and marketing all my life but I still "bit" and dropped two orders with Nicoticket after following this thread. I am still a consumer after all, regardless of my marketing or business background, education, past experiences, whatever.. He (Clark @ Nicoticket) clearly states that with certain juices, customization is simply not available in the interest of preserving the integrity of the product. Did this turn me off? Hell no! I love the simplicity of the approach. I will either like the juices, or I will not. In the mean time I wont have to wonder if I should put them in a box for months because there is the possibility that they will undergo some metamorphosis at some point.. That's how it should be. Part of the problem with other premium vendors is they are offering us, the perpetually unsatisfied consumers, given options at our own whim, the power to let their businesses run them. Meanwhile they spend all their time getting feedback, emailing, constantly fiddling, until something good they created a long time ago loses all resemblance to what it was intended to be, gets hurried off to the never satisfied consumer, and ends up tasting like crap anyway. Hats off to those who keep it simple, offer a good product, and don't get bogged down in the quagmire of the Information Age in the process.

 

[quiter]

I stopped buying any juice that I had to steep for a few reasons. Least of all was the wait time. My problem is waiting and not liking it anyway and liking the way it steeps one time and not the next. The juices that need to steep use oil based flavorings and they simply do not mix the same way each and every time. I don't care for paying an arm and leg, then having to wait and having it still be a crapshoot as to whether or not I will ever like it. I stopped buying anything that needed to be steeped a long time ago and stuck only with quality companies that sent me juice that I knew I would enjoy. At around the same time I discovered DIY, water based flavoring, and high quality nicotine base. I haven't order a pre-made juice in years and don't plan on starting again.

I 100% completely agree with the OP don't send it out unless it's ready and tested. I don't think most people want to pay for the privilege of doing part of your work for you and being disappointed when it doesn't even taste that good anyway.

As for the people who have found a company that makes a flavor that they like so well that they are willing to wait and hope it turns out, fine. Knock yourselves out whatever works works, right?