Michael Siegel: Anti E-cigarette Zealots Still Spreading Their Lies

[AgentAnia]

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/10/on-same-day-two-more-tobacco-control.html

....the false and misleading information about electronic cigarettes being disseminated by tobacco control advocates and practitioners can no longer be viewed simply as isolated misstatements or slips of the tongue. This is now a campaign to discourage electronic cigarette use that is based on the dissemination of false and misleading information.

 

[Uma]

Or are they correcting their past twists and lies?

 

[rothenbj]

I wonder what happened to his comment section. It used to be entertaining.

 

[Uma]

Why is that .... always calling him out? Dr. Siegel was an advocate against smoking, yes, but his eyes were opened wide after discovering just how far and twisted the campaign was becoming, so he started calling them out about it. I think Dr. Siegel is the prime example of research for research, for public health, for honest data, and to me, he makes John Wayne look like a wimp in the dept of fighting for what's right.

 

[Petrodus]

For those waiting for the day when ANTZ
will admit esmoking is harmless to the user and the public ...
Don't hold your breath

 

[rothenbj]

Uma, he still has some issues. He has bought into harm reduction, but is unwilling to go as far as supporting any "tobacco" product. He avoids any support beyond nicotine which means his mind is still partially closed. That being said, he is an excellent ally for the E cig community.

 

[Uma]

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[TyPie]

Excellent article. I think this falls under the category, "Give them enough rope and they will eventually hang themselves".
MORE ROPE, please! MORE ROPE!

 

[aikanae1]

“The truth is, we don’t have the research to tell us these e-cigarettes are helping people stop smoking or that they aren’t as dangerous as regular cigarettes. We just don’t know,”

Oh how I'd love to dump all the studies that have been done on their doorstep.

 

[Uma]

Oh how I'd love to dump all the studies that have been done on their doorstep.

I like that idea!
Imagine if everyone sent to Glantz at the university, printed Drexel, Nicotine studies, etc, in mantilla envelopes with huge DREXEL STUDY written across it.

 

[Anjaffm]

I like that idea!
Imagine if everyone sent to Glantz at the university, printed Drexel, Nicotine studies, etc, in mantilla envelopes with huge DREXEL STUDY written across it.

As a matter of fact, several European vapers did a thing just like that:
Printed out numerous studies about e-cigs that proved that they are about 99% safer than tobacco cigarettes, filled about 3 Leitz folders with those studies ( Leitz folder ) and sent several sets of 3 Leitz folders full of studies out to several of those so-called "experts" who had always falsely - and loudly - claimed "there are no studies"

Actually, sending the Drexel study to that Glantz person is not a bad idea
How about "personal / confidential"? This generally means that the PA is not allowed to open it
.. and write "important scientific study" across the envelope - don't forget to take pictures

And maybe the time is ripe for such a campaign.
Only about 50 / 100 big envelopes with the Drexel Study - sent out on the same day, so that they arrive on about the same day - and then a few people calling / mailing / e-mailing in to ask whether their correspondence has been received... tee hee

edit:
I just commented on that piece of horse manure starpress article as well. I did my best to keep it civil. *mutters unprintable curses under my breath*

 

[Uma]

And to our congressmen, we send. And to city councils, senators, ... Oh, somebody, take the reins please.

Off to read star press

 

[Stubby]

Uma, he still has some issues. He has bought into harm reduction, but is unwilling to go as far as supporting any "tobacco" product. He avoids any support beyond nicotine which means his mind is still partially closed. That being said, he is an excellent ally for the E cig community.

Siegel really doesn't support tobacco harm reduction and never has. With all of his support for e-cigs he hasn't lifted a finger for the 9 million or so smokeless tobacco users in the US. There is no doubt that Siegel identifies with tobacco control and nothing has changed. He's buddy buddy with the likes of John R. Polito which should tell you a lot if you know who he is (google him). Siegel's end game is a tobacco free world like most others in tobacco control. He just sees e-cigs as a means to that end along with high taxes on all tobacco products, lying about second hand smoke, etc.

As an ST user I'm not feeling the love

 

[Uma]

Thanks for the info. After watching an episode or two on YouTube, i realize they are Cold Turkey fanatics. That's a great way, if one has the committment gene, I agree. I don't know why they they don't like Snus, but I totally get why they don't put much love into the gum & patch, & why they literally despise Chantix. The patch & gum were falsely rated, and big Pharma (or FDA?) never allowed other/better onto the market.
Michael does have faith in the eCig, sees it's merit, sees it's works for those of us with rebellious natures. I don't know how his buddy feels, but I'm sure he's still cold turkey about it.
If eCigs is the only eye to eye, then alrighty then. After this is all settled, let's clear up the smoke crap, like the 2nd hand monstrosity of a thought. 2nd hand fear drives me absolutely crazy, they should have NO right banning people from town, home & careers. I'm ready to march with a Hilary S.... type leader, but first I so need to know that I won't be arrested or fined for taking a puff of vapor.

I just woke up. If this is hitting wrong, off base, ... Let me know, I'll edit out & come back later after the pot of coffee is empty.


Hilary's last name is censored
Ess double you aye in Kay

 

[rothenbj]

Siegel really doesn't support tobacco harm reduction and never has. With all of his support for e-cigs he hasn't lifted a finger for the 9 million or so smokeless tobacco users in the US. There is no doubt that Siegel identifies with tobacco control and nothing has changed. He's buddy buddy with the likes of John R. Polito which should tell you a lot if you know who he is (google him). Siegel's end game is a tobacco free world like most others in tobacco control. He just sees e-cigs as a means to that end along with high taxes on all tobacco products, lying about second hand smoke, etc.

As an ST user I'm not feeling the love

You and I both. I tried on numerous occasions in his comment section to get him to make a statement about smokeless and he ignored all efforts. I don't know if he's afraid of stepping to far out of line with TC, but it's a disservice toward harm reduction.

 

[TomCatt]

Air pollution causes lung cancer, World Health Organization says - latimes.com

Second-hand Smoke Study Sparks Controversy | CNS News

 

[Anjaffm]

good links, TomCatt, thank you!
So air pollution causes lung cancer. Why am I not surprised?

So much for the much-touted "right to breathe clean air", ey?

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

The BMJ publishing an article that questions the ANTZ holy grail using one of their studies, whoda thunk it.

 

[AgentAnia]

The BMJ publishing an article that questions the ANTZ holy grail using one of their studies, whoda thunk it.

My thought exactly! Having a good chuckle over this one!

 

[Anjaffm]

hahahahaha
They did publish my comment in that starpress

What an utter load of nonsense! - 1. e-cigarettes are about 99% safer than tobacco cigarettes -and yes there are A LOT OF scientific studies that prove that fact, 2. there are a lot of independent manufacturers of e-cigarettes and liquids, 3. the tobacco companies are buying into the e-cig market because that is the future, and tobacco sales are going down THANKS TO e-cigarettes (!), 4. warning of "dangers" which "we do not know" is absolutely ridiculous, 5. the dangers of tobacco cigarettes are very well known, 6. most of the existing "FDA approved" nicotine-replacement stuff has a 96% failure rate, 7. please get your facts right before claiming a bunch of horse manure - - and 8. I will be completely tobacco free for 2 years this coming Monday, thanks to the e-cigarette. And I did not even intend to stop smoking, just to cut down a little. The transition from the deadly tobacco cigarette to the 99% safer e-cigarette just happened. - ANY QUESTIONS???

and the funniest thing is - I logged in with Facebook, so Facebook transferred the only thing that I ever gave them about me: "University of Heidelberg" - which is where I studied

Hm.... looks good in print.... although "University of Heidelberg" is the place where I got my university diploma, and most definitely not my employer - hm... is that how people are led to make assumptions?

Bow down to the University professor, please