Micro Coils "SAFE" vs Sub-Ohm Coils "ADVANCED"

[23skidoo]

Most of the micro coil crowd are using them on regulated devices and they are built in the 1.5 - 2+ ohm range. It is the protected circuits in the regulated mods that make them generally safer since they have built in short protection and limits on the amount of power that can be drawn from the batteries.

The bolded is important for people to understand, and I think it really gets overlooked so that people can make a point. That point is usually rooted in something good, safety, but it gets frustrating when things get lumped into one category wrongfully.

From my understanding, microcoils were a way to get sub ohm performance out of a higher ohm coil. Some people take the resistance lower, and as long as they are doing it safely and advising other to do it safely then I don't see why others get so worked up about it. The converse is also true, those who are going about their setups unsafely or recommending an unsafe or extremely advanced setup to people with little knowledge about the how's and whys should be called on it.

 

[yo419g0tamin]

The bolded is important for people to understand, and I think it really gets overlooked so that people can make a point. That point is usually rooted in something good, safety, but it gets frustrating when things get lumped into one category wrongfully.

From my understanding, microcoils were a way to get sub ohm performance out of a higher ohm coil. Some people take the resistance lower, and as long as they are doing it safely and advising other to do it safely then I don't see why others get so worked up about it. The converse is also true, those who are going about their setups unsafely or recommending an unsafe or extremely advanced setup to people with little knowledge about the how's and whys should be called on it.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Dusif]

0,7 subohm coil

Device: KTS+
Battery: panasonic cgr18650ch 2250mah
Delivery device: Aga-t+
Coil: 32guage kanthal wire
Wick: 300ss mesh
Liquid: homemade liqourice 20% aroma 12mg nic pure vg

Pros
Great flavor and vapour production, coil reacts quickly

Cons
Battery life is shorter than on my vamo
More difficult to build the coil than it is to swap it in a protank


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[Hiding]

Point is to teach new people micro coils first since most people start on regulated devices so they ain't in a giant rush to get to a mech and do sub-ohm coils to get the great vapor and flavor.

The problem is that you didn't mention the device being used at all.

Micro Coils "SAFE" vs Sub-Ohm Coils "ADVANCED"
I think this needs to be done as I keep seeing people tell someone to try sub-ohm coils before micro coils.
Most of the time it is someone telling a noob to do it with no information about safety included and I don't want noone hurt, this will just scare someone off vaping and back on analogs and maybe get that story on the news also, so please help me get all the information in this one thread and to agree on it being a sticky thread.

Everyone that has tried either 1 or both needs to put their setup and pro's con's ect...

Regulated devices are safer. Not micro-coils.
You are trying to make an informational post, to help new users, that you want to be a sticky topic. But the title of it is already misleading.
With the title and the content of your post it implies that using a micro-coil on any setup is safer.

 

[Dusif]

Building your own coils is only as safe as you make it... I tripped my 2cent with a .9-1 ohm coil... Now im using a 0.7 coil with no problems at all and no 2cent... Even a 60ohm coil could short


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[Hiding]

The bolded is important for people to understand, and I think it really gets overlooked so that people can make a point. That point is usually rooted in something good, safety, but it gets frustrating when things get lumped into one category wrongfully.

From my understanding, microcoils were a way to get sub ohm performance out of a higher ohm coil. Some people take the resistance lower, and as long as they are doing it safely and advising other to do it safely then I don't see why others get so worked up about it. The converse is also true, those who are going about their setups unsafely or recommending an unsafe or extremely advanced setup to people with little knowledge about the how's and whys should be called on it.

I don't think the bolded part is correct. As far as I know, micro-coils were born or at least the term was coined over in the REO sub section.
Quickly browsing some of the 200+ pages the majority of the micro setups that show pictures of the device are on the mech REO's. Again quickly browsing the Micro thread in the RDA section, I saw a fairly even mix of Regulated vs Mech.

imho, It's better to believe people are using the less safe device, and give them the proper safety information, that is good practice to use no matter what device they are using, rather then assume they are only going to be using micro-coils on regulated devices.

 

[tj99959]

All I know is "MY" coils vape the way "I" want safely.

 

[yo419g0tamin]

The point of this was to inform people of both micro and sub-ohm coils and how they perform the same basically, most new people are on a regulated device and I want to catch them at this point to help them get the flavor and vapor production they want without rushing into sub-ohm and mechs, why do people have to fight over everything it makes no sense.

 

[yo419g0tamin]

Micro or sub-ohm coil: micro coil
Device: provari v2.5
Battery: AW IRM 3.7V 2000mAH (7.4WH)
Delivery device: smoktech octopus rda at 4.0 volts (1.6mm hole drilled, old hole sealed)
Coil type: 32 gauge A1 kanthal, 1.7ohms dual coil
Wick type: cotton
Juice: carmel candy from mbv 20/80 pg/vg

Pro's:
Better vapor over normal coils and just as good or better then sub-ohm coils.
Better flavor over normal coils and just as good or better then sub-ohm coils.

Con's:
Harder to make then sub-ohm coils but can be easy with a few things.

 

[Jimi D.]

The point of this was to inform people of both micro and sub-ohm coils and how they perform the same basically, most new people are on a regulated device and I want to catch them at this point to help them get the flavor and vapor production they want without rushing into sub-ohm and mechs, why do people have to fight over everything it makes no sense.

No they don't perform the same. Two different animals all together. All I can say is that people need to learn the basic principles of rebuilding. Any type of coil, at any resistance. If they worry about catastrophic failure. Buy pre-made stuff. And yes, pre-made stuff is not safe as well. Vape at your own risk.

 

[dr g]

The problem is that you didn't mention the device being used at all.


Regulated devices are safer. Not micro-coils.
You are trying to make an informational post, to help new users, that you want to be a sticky topic. But the title of it is already misleading.
With the title and the content of your post it implies that using a micro-coil on any setup is safer.

This. Although as far as battery draw, mechs are "safer" given the same starting wattage.

No they don't perform the same. Two different animals all together. All I can say is that people need to learn the basic principles of rebuilding. Any type of coil, at any resistance. If they worry about catastrophic failure. Buy pre-made stuff. And yes, pre-made stuff is not safe as well. Vape at your own risk.

And this. Sort of.

They do perform the same, or can potentially perform very similarly to each other at the same wattage. However subohm setups often run much higher wattage than most common regulated mods can provide.

 

[demiseone]

what is at risk exactly ?

 

[Jimi D.]

This. Although as far as battery draw, mechs are "safer" given the same starting wattage.



And this. Sort of.

They do perform the same, or can potentially perform very similarly to each other at the same wattage. However subohm setups often run much higher wattage than most common regulated mods can provide.

The higher the voltage and resistance, the thinner the vapor becomes. Sub ohm vaping is thick like soup, and there is more flavor as well.

 

[dr g]

The higher the voltage and resistance, the thinner the vapor becomes. Sub ohm vaping is thick like soup, and there is more flavor as well.

No, that's not something that can be said without qualification. The build is everything. A similar coil mass will perform similarly at a similar wattage. That's the point of microcoils, and the vapor produced is similar ... and maybe even a little better ... than spaced coils at the same wattage.

This is my ongoing point in all of these threads ... resistance doesn't really matter. It's all about the wattage and the build.

 

[Jimi D.]

No, that's not something that can be said without qualification. The build is everything. A similar coil mass will perform similarly at a similar wattage. That's the point of microcoils, and the vapor produced is similar ... and maybe even a little better ... than spaced coils at the same wattage.

This is my ongoing point in all of these threads ... resistance doesn't really matter. It's all about the wattage and the build.

Qualification of what !? I'm just going by of my 3 years of vaping man.

 

[dr g]

Qualification of what !? I'm just going by of my 3 years of vaping man.

Qualification meaning conditional restrictions or modifiers: qualification - definition of qualification by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. (4th definition)

In other words you can't make that blanket statement because it's not true in all cases. It all depends on the build. If you get your coil mass equivalent you can get similar performance at a given wattage from a higher resistance/thinner wire build.

I have actually gotten more coil mass out of a high resistance build and it outperforms subohm builds with less mass at the same wattage.

 

[Jimi D.]

Qualification meaning conditional restrictions or modifiers: qualification - definition of qualification by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. (4th definition)

In other words you can't make that blanket statement because it's not true in all cases. It all depends on the build. If you get your coil mass equivalent you can get similar performance at a given wattage from a higher resistance/thinner wire build.

I have actually gotten more coil mass out of a high resistance build and it outperforms subohm builds with less mass at the same wattage.

I have vaped and built micro coils. Just reminded me of the vapor from a cartomizer coil. Nothing new to me.

 

[yo419g0tamin]

what is at risk exactly ?

A battery explosion can occur, battery could vent if you use the wrong setup.

 

[dr g]

I have vaped and built micro coils. Just reminded me of the vapor from a cartomizer coil. Nothing new to me.

You're not really talking about the same thing here. If you didn't put equivalent power through it, it's only going to produce commensurate with the power you ran.

This is a largely unexplored area of coilbuilding as far as I can tell, since most regulated mods cannot supply subohm-equivalent wattages. Having a mod that does is enlightening, and I would not be surprised to see more mod development in this direction.

 

[Lunger]

Having a mod that does is enlightening, and I would not be surprised to see more mod development in this direction.

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