Milk frothers to speed up steep time?

[subver]

As far as I know people are still using ultrasonics, but I believe it's the heat rather than the sonics that are doing the steeping. There was a post by a scientist who had knowledge of ultrasonics a while back that said unless the machine is specifically tuned for working with the viscosities of eliquid the sonics won't do much - so a device designed to clean jewelry won't have much effect at all.

Ah, rats. Thanks for answering!

 

[Alien Traveler]

Hi all!

You should avoid any mixing strategy which dissolves oxygen.

Yeah, I'm from that think-tank. I'm also a professional chemist, and not in the sense of 'professional vaper'..

Anyway, the crucial part is why. Flavours are concentrated colloids in PG (false dissolutions of both hydrophobic and hydrophyllic substances) and the maturing process (steeping up, I did not see that phrasal coming, English is not my mother's language) ought to rearrange the micelar part in new stable aggregations, a whole new colloid.

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D.: I forgot to tell you about the oxygen thing, but it might be pretty clear. Not only the oxidization of some components could ruin your long-waited flavour, it could interfiere with the rearrangment of all micelles...

I am sorry, but your main idea that flavorings are colloids is fundamentally wrong. Of course, among all the flavors used we may find something strange, like colloid, but I will never vape something colloidal.

As a rule flavorings are solutions – in PG, alcohol or water, or all the above. Example – raspberry keton, not soluble in water but soluble in PG (we have it in all raspberry flavorings).

So, your comments about micelle are not applicable. Of course, some flavors may contain oils and even form micelle, but I would never vape oily flavors (I do not even know if they exist in stocks of vaping flavor suppliers, but you can find them in a grocery store).

And about oxidizing. I do not know, but I believe that too extensive oxidation is not a good thing, but aeration could be beneficial. Unfortunately these things are interconnected. I strongly believe that aeration is often a necessary step and moderate oxidation is not harmful at all.

 

[Alien Traveler]

As far as I know people are still using ultrasonics, but I believe it's the heat rather than the sonics that are doing the steeping. There was a post by a scientist who had knowledge of ultrasonics a while back that said unless the machine is specifically tuned for working with the viscosities of eliquid the sonics won't do much - so a device designed to clean jewelry won't have much effect at all.

The only "tuning" UC needs is higher energly oscillator, so, yes, you need stronger cleaner for viscous liquids. Buy the way you can decrease viscosity a lot by using warm bath (even better - UC with heating element). UC not only mixes liquids, it can speed up many chemical reactions, with may by (and may be not) beneficial for steeping. From "theoretical" point of view UC and microwave look more promising than milk frothier.

 

[froginblender]

Thanks for the info mice.
Read some of your other posts, they are very detailed in a scientific kind of way...
I had to drink a 6 pack to just calm my frontal cortex....heheh.

That's professional mixing, you only need a nitrogen tank and a glass bubble sinker to get all professional!

Well, let's talk seriously.....

Use the final flask, (topaz, blue, whatever darked glass) with air-tight safety cap, and you'll ready to go.....

I know, as you put the ingredients over a scale, you can even weigh all of them! (That's something many people forget, mixtures are in weight!, and glicerine is heavy, about 1,26 g/mL.....but anyone, me included, take a volumetric approach to end sooner.....).

As I was telling you, almost fully professional!

 

[DoctorJ]

I've been DIY'ing for over a year now and I just use the "mix and shake" method. I shake enough to see there are bubbles throughout the juice, rinse and repeat daily for a few weeks and VIOLA! I do like the ideas of using power tools to help with the shaking part!

I tried using a frother, but it was more of a pain in the backside having to put the juice in a container big enough for the frother "head" to fit in and then transferring to bottles. I did notice that using the frother oxidized the nic quite a bit as well and my juices (that usually stayed clear) would darken faster and sometimes have a bitter taste.

Just my

 

[Shirtbloke]

Just a report back on my using a milk frother and the oxidisation problem.

The last but one batch I made I used the frother but did it in a tall thin vessel so didn't draw much, if any, air into the mix which remained clear. The latest batch I made I frothed away merrily and drew air into the mix until it was cloudy, milky white.

And the results? The last and supposedly oxidised mix tastes more complex and much more satisfying from the taste point of view. I'm guessing that this is because there are more compounds in it - maybe I just like the taste of oxides.

Your mileage may vary on this but I think it's worth doing the experiment for yourself and see which you prefer.