MiT/RoyalSmokers CE3 (Smokymizers) first impressions.

[brent81]

So, I've had a week with my new CE3/Smokymizers that I got from Ken at Boxmods.net...which I would like to mention was one of the first US suppliers for the CE3 and has provided excellent customer service on some issues I had with them initially.

For starters, they are fairly easy to fill. Remove the rubber stopper, syringe-fill through the large filler porthole inside, replace the stopper, done. Way easier as far as the syringe part of the operation than it was trying to jam the syringe through the tiny hole in the silicone cap that the CE2s had. The rubber stopper part is a bit tricky getting back in and the crappy flimsy pair of tweezers they provide with the CE3 pack does not help matters...a good trick for getting it back in can be found here: CE3 Smokymizer cartomizer - Impressions (see the filling and cleaning section).

A big change with these, if you've been using the CE2 carts (other than the deluxe ones from GotVapes which seem to feature this new plastic) is the new plastic used for the outer tube. This new frosted plastic is much, MUCH stronger. I have not had a single tube crack yet. So on that issue, the CE3 is a huge step forward from the CE2.

Peformance is great - right on par with the CE2 cartomizers I had been using. Clean taste, strong throat hit and a good amount of vapor with the TopVapor liquids I get from madvapes.

Overall, I think they perform great. Not TOO hard to fill, although having to carry around not only a syringe but now also a pair of tweezers to take out & replace the tiny rubber stopper in the fill hole is a real pain. But here's my main gripe, because I like to take apart, clean, dry burn and then reassemble CE carts, getting much more life out of them:

This is the part that REALLY irks me. If you can't take them apart to dry burn them (and you can't really properly dry burn them with that clear plastic cap/tube thing on because when you do, the coil and metal assembly around the coil get super hot...if you're doing it right and really burning all that crap off...so that plastic part would begin to melt if you left it on) then they're basically no good after the coil gets gunked up enough to start affecting taste, which for me is around 4-5 days. These things could easily be cleaned/dry burned two or three times before the wick inside the coil starts to degrade, extending their lives to 2-3 weeks, as was the case with the CE2s, so these are a bit more...fill 4 or 5 times then toss.

I swear, with MiT/RoyalSmokers, it's always two steps forward and one step back.

 

[hairball]

Unfortunately, I quit using MiT's products. You would think after all the revisions that they would have gotten it right by now. No thanks...not impressed with any of their stuff. If you like to fiddle with stuff, go for it but not me. If it doesn't work right out of the box, I don't want it.

 

[brent81]

Unfortunately, I quit using MiT's products. You would think after all the revisions that they would have gotten it right by now. No thanks...not impressed with any of their stuff. If you like to fiddle with stuff, go for it but not me. If it doesn't work right out of the box, I don't want it.

You WOULD think that. I wonder just exactly what kind of "research" goes on in their R&D department - they REALLY need to recruit some people from the vaping community to nail down these issues before they start mass-producing carts.

I'm about done with them, myself. I really like the idea of a filler-less cart, because I started off with 808 filler carts and began to notice how many of them were getting burnt deep inside the filler wrap, even when I kept the filler super wet all the time and didn't yet notice a burnt taste. They develop hot spots. I don't like the idea of inhaling burnt poly-fill (it is burnt plastic after all, and inhaling burnt plastic vapors sort of negates the whole point of ecigs in general which is harm reduction). The only other filler-less carts I've seen that I liked are the new Vortex 2 carts available from GotVapes but it looks like they are still using crappy crack-prone plastic. I'm not really into dripping with attys and drip-tips because I work long days at a computer service shop and having to constantly whip out liquid and drip is a non-starter...I need something I can fill at the beginning of the day and not have to worry about more than a few times throughout the course of my busy day. I tried tank style carts and didn't like them. Any suggestions?

 

[P1NkY]

Hiya brent81! I'm a n00b and a cart-user, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about; if so, just ignore me, LOL!
Have you tried passing a loop of sewing thread (or really thin wire) through the hole in the inner tube/cap thing, insert tip of wick through thread loop, and pull thread+wick back through the hole? Sort of like using a needle threader (don't know if you've seen/heard of those, but yeah). Kinda like you'd thread a wick into an atty coil?

Edit: Now that I think about it, maybe an actual needle threader might do the job....

 

[Iffy]

If you like to fiddle with stuff, go for it but not me. If it doesn't work right out of the box, I don't want it.

<golf clap> Hear, hear!

 

[brent81]

Hiya brent81! I'm a n00b and a cart-user, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about; if so, just ignore me, LOL!
Have you tried passing a loop of sewing thread (or really thin wire) through the hole in the inner tube/cap thing, insert tip of wick through thread loop, and pull thread+wick back through the hole? Sort of like using a needle threader (don't know if you've seen/heard of those, but yeah. Kinda like you'd thread a wick into an atty coil?

I haven't tried that yet - it might work... but I kind of feel like you shouldn't have to go THAT far to reassemble it. If i get desperate enough (if im running low on carts and cash) i might try it. That's a little more tinkering with stuff than I generally like to do to get more life out of a cart. Also you kind of need 3 hands for something like that...one to hold the clear plastic tube, one to hold the bottom assembly with the wick, another to pull the threaded wire/thread through the hole. Thanks for the suggestion anyway!

 

[Trioxin]

These I feel actually do work just fine right out of the box. They were designed to be a disposable cart, so its hard to blame the manufacturer if they aren't easy to re-assemble after tearing them apart. Still, I tore mine apart and was able to reassemble them without difficulty. A little bit of fluid or saliva on the wick to keep it together and it slid back into the hole first try. It is, however, extremely hard to re-wick the coil after accidentally pulling it out, so be careful with that.

 

[StotheK]

These I feel actually do work just fine right out of the box. They were designed to be a disposable cart, so its hard to blame the manufacturer if they aren't easy to re-assemble after tearing them apart. Still, I tore mine apart and was able to reassemble them without difficulty. A little bit of fluid or saliva on the wick to keep it together and it slid back into the hole first try. It is, however, extremely hard to re-wick the coil after accidentally pulling it out, so be careful with that.

While they are disposable, the little card that comes in the box specifically has a section in there that talks about how to disassemble and clean them. So they're disposable but apparently intended to be cleaned at least a time or two before tossed. I tried to keep the wick wet and re-thread it, but alas I lack the hand-eye coordination to get it to thread even then.

 

[Stownz]

Unfortunately, I quit using MiT's products. You would think after all the revisions that they would have gotten it right by now. No thanks...not impressed with any of their stuff. If you like to fiddle with stuff, go for it but not me. If it doesn't work right out of the box, I don't want it.

Completely agree. If they refund me the money I have spent on all the previous R&D they have made me purchase + extra for lying and saying they were fixed with "No Burning", then I might vape another if it was free.

But I would still probably make the wife vape it hard for 3 hits and watch her facial expression first.....

 

[Trioxin]

But I would still probably make the wife vape it hard for 3 hits and watch her facial expression first.....

Why didn't I think of that?

 

[brent81]

While they are disposable, the little card that comes in the box specifically has a section in there that talks about how to disassemble and clean them. So they're disposable but apparently intended to be cleaned at least a time or two before tossed. I tried to keep the wick wet and re-thread it, but alas I lack the hand-eye coordination to get it to thread even then.

Yes! This little card: http://www.royalsmokers.com/manual-CE3.pdf

It makes it seem so easy: "Air dry the cup and coil assembly, dry burn and place all in a good way" [Engrish]

The...ehm.. "placing all in a good way" is the hard part. Like SteveK, I guess I lack the coordination to be able to thread that wick back through the hole without getting it to fray. I tried getting it wet with eliquid, twisting the end to a point, but no matter what I did i could only get the wick to "start" into the hole and not to pop through on the other side where it could be grabbed and pulled through.

 

[CloudCuckooMan]

The Deluxe CE2's can be taken apart and cleaned as easy as the old CE2's and they have the hard plastic with no leaking. Sounds like just what you want. Have you tried them yet? I've cleaned one out three times already and it works like a champ. The lowest ohm one didn't really work with my Ego for some reason it was burning the juice...but I got a new VV box mod and it works fine on that. Strangely enough I can use them at 3.7 volts which is higher than the Ego so I don't quite understand that, but whatever. They are fantastic. I've even used VG juices in them.

 

[rob0128]

regarding the smokeymizers,there has been a few posting that they are frying batterys,i wanted to try these but i think ill stick to ce2 for now

 

[rise2it]

"Unfortunately, I quit using MiT's products. You would think after all the revisions that they would have gotten it right by now. No thanks...not impressed with any of their stuff. If you like to fiddle with stuff, go for it but not me. If it doesn't work right out of the box, I don't want it. "
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You can add me to that list...some of these vendors tout their new product of the week so highly - which turns out to be more untested junk - and by the time all the negative reviews get around, it's time for another 'new' product which is as junky/defective as the last one they suckered people into...if they use this stuff themselves, then they KNOW it doesn't work.

 

[morgan69]

Brent81,I know how you feel about carts as i have the same problem with them.For me the carto "Mega Lr dual coil" are perfect they are super easy to refill no burnt tast,last a long time between refills,creat good vapor and TH.Genrally rather good.You should give them a try

 

[JD1]

....I don't like the idea of inhaling burnt poly-fill (it is burnt plastic after all, and inhaling burnt plastic vapors sort of negates the whole point of ecigs in general which is harm reduction)....

I'm not sure if this will ease your mind a little or not, but I think the inner blanket is cotton, surrounded by polyfil. The general consensus is that the small amounts of smoke from the cotton singing is probably not harmful. I think some of the early studies on ciggies indicated the paper itself wasn't that bad but I can't find the links on what I read now. Still, I agree with you--I'd prefer zero smoke if possible. Also, I can't stand the charcoal taste. It's one of the reasons why I put up with the ce2s. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...10-kr808-4081-etc-filler-type-cartos-572.html

....Any suggestions?

Recently, I tried the duel coils and they seem to be very singe resistant. I have a couple that I have several hours on and they're still going strong. They shorten the run time on batteries though. Also the latest ce2 has a different plastic (same plastic as ce3) and supposedly better mounting at the base. I haven't tried them yet but I probably will. For me, the ce2 provides the cleanest taste outside of dripping and I don't have much hassle with them. I rip out all the top plugs, fill by dripping down the side of the ceramic, put in the second plug and pop on a mouthpiece and vape. I can fill them faster than a regular carto because I don't have to wait for the juice to soak in.

I also picked up a pack of the bauway ce2 clones. The plastic hasn't cracked or came loose at the bottom so far, and they're performing great. Madvapes has them on sale. Bauway 510 XL CE2 Style Clear Cartomizers, 2.5 ohm, 5 pack

 

[brent81]

The Deluxe CE2's can be taken apart and cleaned as easy as the old CE2's and they have the hard plastic with no leaking. Sounds like just what you want. Have you tried them yet? I've cleaned one out three times already and it works like a champ. The lowest ohm one didn't really work with my Ego for some reason it was burning the juice...but I got a new VV box mod and it works fine on that. Strangely enough I can use them at 3.7 volts which is higher than the Ego so I don't quite understand that, but whatever. They are fantastic. I've even used VG juices in them.

Yes, I've tried them and like them quite a bit as well - the new plastic is very nice. I was just really looking forward to the bottom-coil design. I'm going to try the Vortex 2.0 from GotVapes and if i'm not happy with it I'll just stick with the CE2 deluxes.