mixing with a hand sander

[buffaloguy]

Omg, what is it that makes everyone think they gotta shake or vibrate their juice into another dimension to make it better? Ugh....

Guys and gals, heat is what speeds the steeping of juice. This has been tested, proven, and it works. Go read the last 30 to 40 pages of the ultrasonic part 3 thread.

High speed shaking does little to nothing for juice. Nada. Mixing with a frother or high speed air infusion ruins juice. Oxygen is the enemy of nicotine.

A simple hand shake and 4 hours at 150° in a crockpot is all you need to get juice to the 2.5 week mark age wise.

Im gonna bring back the tagline.... STOP THE INSANITY!

 

[Boletus]

Im gonna bring back the tagline.... STOP THE INSANITY!

Aw, but this is one of the more interesting threads I have seen. I say, "BRING ON THE GADGETS!" I love photos of people's contraptions. My food dehydrator is completely boring by comparison.

 

[Boletus]

1. remove hubcaps from truck. 2. insert 3 or 4 bottles of juice behind hubcaps. 3. replace hubcaps. 4. drive to work. 5. let sit in sun all day. 6. drive truck home...

Works great if you have a pickup truck and live on a bumpy dirt road...

Would you recommend the amber or cobalt blue glass bottles for that application?

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

i respect what everyone is saying here but there is a bit of a misunderstanding as to why im actually using a jigsaw to mix my juice, i dont or intend to own an ultrasonic cleaner to speed steep, i've no interest in it, i mix enough juice that its already steeped a month or three before i even start using it.
i've used a frother to mix up 1-3ml batches to test different flavour's together & then mixed up a big batch of the same formula that has steeped for a couple of months naturally without being frothed and has in the end tasted the same as the frothed IMO(although a little more rounded after the steep).

i use the jigsaw to shake up my juice the same as anyone would by hand shaking, i dont want to hand shake, simple as that! unless we're talking 5-10ml but we're not, hand shaking 300ml quickly becomes a chore.
i dont think a simple shake of a 50ml bottle and a steep is enough, although i could be wrong.
it doesnt get any easier than slipping a 50ml bottle in and pressing a button for a few secs.


yep a frother will oxidise the juice but if you're doing 1-3ml batches only to test then there isnt a problem.
a jigsaw will oxidise juice if you shake it up to much, i literally only shake up the bottle for 5 seconds trying not to produce to many bubbles, it works! my juice always tastes good even after a few month's & still has TH, & thats with most of my flavours at 2.5% but in general between that and 7.5%

 

[laurie9300]

Mixing E-juice with an Oscillating tool: http://youtu.be/x-v9OttprJc

Best Way To Mix Eliquid: http://youtu.be/gmCDaGb4buI

Ultimate e-liquid steeping technique: http://youtu.be/hAOmL4kxioo

 

[zoiDman]

...

High speed shaking does little to nothing for juice. Nada. Mixing with a frother or high speed air infusion ruins juice. Oxygen is the enemy of nicotine.

...

Im gonna bring back the tagline.... STOP THE INSANITY!

Can you Quantify how Much Oxygen Effects Nicotine in an e-Liquid?

Do you have some Data that Shows what the Change (from Oxidation ) to the Nicotine mg Level is? Or is the Nicotine Oxidation purely a Subjective Taste issue?

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

in the last vid where you see the juice clouded by air bubbles, this is bad & causes oxidisation!?

 

[dannyv45]

I love the genius thinking of the folks here. This is very entertaining And what's really scary is most of this stuff will work quite well.

The one I still like the best is putting the bottle between the breast of your girl friend and letting her jog with it for a day or two. It does the job and it's also nice to look at.

 

[tarkin000]

Can you Quantify how Much Oxygen Effects Nicotine in an e-Liquid?

Do you have some Data that Shows what the Change (from Oxidation ) to the Nicotine mg Level is? Or is the Nicotine Oxidation purely a Subjective Taste issue?

Has this been covered? A cursory search actually lead me to this thread...

 

[zoiDman]

Has this been covered? A cursory search actually lead me to this thread...

Oh it has been Covered about 1,000 Times.

Everyone seems to Agree that Oxygen has an Effect on Nicotine. ie: Oxidation.

But what Hasn't been Covered Much is How Much Oxidation Occurs? If there is a Drop in Nicotine mg Levels. If the Taste Changes (for Good or for Bad)?

When People tell you Something "Changes", but they Don't tell you How Much of a Change Occurs, they Haven't Told you Much.

 

[RonJS]

Oxygen is the enemy of nicotine.

It is for me!

Each to their own, but I try to limit the amount of what a skunk sprays out when riled from my beer and ammonia in my vape juice.

Huh?...Ammonia?

"Recently Wada(3) has, oxidized
nicotine at 30°C. with pure 02
and found about 20% of-the nicotine
oxidized in 4 weeks . He found ammonia,
methyl amine, nicotinic acid,
myosmine, cotinine, nicotyrine and
unidentified products."

I'm not a chemist and don't know what those other things are that Wada found. I'll admit, I get a bit suspicious when I see "unidentified products".

I do have a bottle of ammonia, gave it a whiff and decided it's not something I want in my juice. Yep, even if my senses can't perceive it in my juice. Again, each to their own desires...

I looked around the internet and also found that breathing ammonia may not be the smartest thing to do.

Ron

PS Darn...I almost forgot!

For those of us who might be..."Linky Impaired"...

http://www.legacy.library.ucsf.edu/documentStore/n/n/a/nna14d00/Snna14d00.pdf

https://www.healthtap.com/topics/what-are-some-dangers-of-inhaling-ammonia-fumes

 

[zoiDman]

...

"Recently Wada(3) has, oxidized
nicotine at 30°C. with pure 02
and found about 20% of-the nicotine
oxidized in 4 weeks . He found ammonia,
methyl amine, nicotinic acid,
myosmine, cotinine, nicotyrine and
unidentified products."

...

Do you have a Link to where you found this? Thanks.

BTW - WADA? World Anti-Doping Association?

 

[RonJS]

Did you read all of my post?

 

[zoiDman]

Did you read all of my post?

Yeah... And I just Re-Read it.

Guess I'm Missing where that Info Came from.

 

[RonJS]

Yeah... And I just Re-Read it.

Guess I'm Missing where that Info Came from.

http://www.legacy.library.ucsf.edu/d.../Snna14d00.pdf

https://www.healthtap.com/topics/wha...-ammonia-fumes

You can't see the links above in my post?

Hmmm...

try...

http://www.legacy.library.ucsf.edu/documentStore/n/n/a/nna14d00/Snna14d00.pdf

the info came from...

The Oxidation of Nicotine. I .
Kinetics of the Liquid Phase Reaction
Near Room Temperature

Robert H. Linnell
Department of Chemistry, University of Vermont
Burlington, Vermont, U .S.A.

 

[zoiDman]

You can't see the links above in my post?

...

Just wanted to make sure before I read a Non-Searchable document, that appears to have come from the 60's, that Doesn't have much to do with Nicotine Oxidation in e-Liquids.

Or Quantifies the Amount of NH₃ that Mr. Wada found in 1959 however he found it.

 

[Visus]

Never tried heat soaking my juices I patiently wait them out -- must try..
I do however, use a massager and it works better than hand shaking -- never worried about oxidizing or nic loss, I vape huge douche clouds and get the shakes from 2-6mg when dial is @28 watts anyway. Vaping @ 15watts is so blah but I haz to now, get the shakes quite often cause hardheaded and dial back to 28-40watts


I hand shake then use this massage with a towel over the bulbs for two minutes it works and is highly noticeable in the resulting juice..

 

[Marc411]

You folks are the friggin best. Funny damn thread!

And what are douche clouds and why would you want them in your mouth?

 

[RonJS]

Just wanted to make sure before I read a Non-Searchable document, that appears to have come from the 60's, that Doesn't have much to do with Nicotine Oxidation in e-Liquids.

Or Quantifies the Amount of NH₃ that Mr. Wada found in 1959 however he found it.

Are you saying the research and nicotine oxidation results from Wada are not valid? Or, because no e-liquid was involved in his research, ammonia or any of those other items listed as a result of nicotine oxidation could not be present in our juice?

I see you mention "Non-Searchable document" Should files from...http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/.../...sf.edu/about/about-ucsf]About UCSF | ucsf.edu

Heck, I also found this 10 year study there:

Transformation of Tobacco Alkaloids*
by T . Hisaki,-S : Maeda, A . Koiwai, Y. Mikami, T. Sasaki and H. Matswsbita
Central Researofi Institute, The Japan Tobacco and Salt Public Corporation,
Yokobama, Japan

The summary was (in part):

"Cbemical transformation : In air oxidation of nicotine at
room temperature, N'-methylmyosmine, which is supposed
to be an active intermediate of degradation, cotinine,
nicotine-N'-oxide, nicotyrine, myosmine, 3-pyridylpropyl
ketone, 3-pyridylmethyl ketone, nicotinic acid,
methylamine and ammonia were isolated . "

(If this link...

http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/documentStore/j/g/h/jgh39c00/Sjgh39c00.pdf

...does not work for you, Googling "Transformation of Tobacco Alkaloids" will.)

I don't understand much of it and don't know if I want to vape any of those items listed as a result of nicotine oxidation; but I do see there's that dang ammonia again!

I see you mentioned this information is from "60's". I hope because this science is 50 or so years old it is not bad science. If old science is bad science, I'm going to track down and kick the heinnie of all those past teachers of mine who made me read about folks like Newton, Pasteur and Einstein.

I have learned a great deal from this Forum and look forward to your kind response and edification.


Ron

----
“Birds scream at the top of their lungs in horrified hellish rage every morning at daybreak to warn us all of the truth, but sadly we don't speak bird.” ― Kurt Cobain

 

[Visus]

You folks are the friggin best. Funny damn thread!

And what are douche clouds and why would you want them in your mouth?