Monroe County NY - Mall Kiosk

[SilverBear]

If this thread should be located elsewhere, mods, please move it.

A blurb in the paper today mentions a new kiosk in The Marketplace Mall
named Quit Smoking Now (owned by Green 13). To the best of my
knowledge, this is the first kiosk in any Monroe County mall.

I think I will pay a visit just to check out the prices and may park my behind
on a nearby bench along with a couple trusty Tornados.

With an impending NY ban, this seems like a strange time to be opening
the first (?) kiosk in the county.

 

[CJsKee]

Great job with the name "Quit Smoking Now"...NOT!!! This only contributes to the problems we're having by promoting electronic cigarettes for smoking cessation! Damn it!!

 

[Vocalek]

I guess nobody explained to them that we have rules against telling the truth in this country. Someone needs to sit them down and explain the facts of life.

If you bottle water, you aren't allowed to put a health claim on it such as "May prevent dehydration."

Just because 80% of the people who use vapor no longer light up a tobacco cigarette and suck in smoke, you cannot use the phrase "quit smoking". That's because the FDA associates that phrase with their official phrase "smoking cessation" which they have determined means a treatment that leads to the outcome that the patient does not use any form of nicotine.

And furthermore, you need FDA approval that the product can be used for that stated purpose. You don't get that without double-blind clinical trials, which are impossible to do for electronic cigarettes because you'd have to be a total idiot to not notice whether or not the cigarette in your hand is on fire. And think of the batteries that will be ruined when people try to light the end of their Green 13.

 

[SilverBear]

Yeah @ CJsKee and Vocalek re: the naming.

I see that Googling "stop smoking
now green 13" results in links to here
or to the original news item (among others):

Business briefs | democratandchronicle.com | Democrat and Chronicle

So, for the benefit of those doing their homework first and landing here,
please take the time to poke around this forum. DO consider using eCigs.
DO NOT get suckered into inferior products at highly inflated prices.

 

[Charged]

Hello SilverBear. That may be the 1st one in a local mall, however, Jadar82 opened a store down the street from Maketplace mall in Pittsford a while ago. You should stop by there and say hello some day.
Evapeworld.com

 

[firechick]

Charged, can you pm me an address? I don't go to Rochester often, but a real store with someone who uses the product would be great!

(I found it under flower city liquid. I hope he has many years of operating a successful business in our area!)

 

[Charged]

Charged, can you pm me an address? I don't go to Rochester often, but a real store with someone who uses the product would be great!

(I found it under flower city liquid. I hope he has many years of operating a successful business in our area!)

Hi Firechick.
Click on the evapeworld link under the
In my post and select contact us. The address is there for all to see.

 

[Vocalek]

Yeah @ CJsKee and Vocalek re: the naming.

I see that Googling "stop smoking
now green 13" results in links to here
or to the original news item (among others):

Business briefs | democratandchronicle.com | Democrat and Chronicle

So, for the benefit of those doing their homework first and landing here,
please take the time to poke around this forum. DO consider using eCigs.
DO NOT get suckered into inferior products at highly inflated prices.

Oh yeah? Well I googled "SilverBear electronic cigarette" and this turned up:

E-cigarette News - E-Cigarette Forum
E-cigarette News - Seen a news story? Feel free to comment on it in here... ... SilverBear. Today 05:05 PM by Charged · Go to last post ...
www.e-cigarette-forum.com › E-Cigarette Forum › Campaigning - Similar

 

[brandon555]

So, for the benefit of those doing their homework first and landing here,
please take the time to poke around this forum. DO consider using eCigs.
DO NOT get suckered into inferior products at highly inflated prices.

Its a shame that the companies with the most visibility are the scam artists that charge a hundred bucks for a penstyle starter kit.

 

[JayDar82]

Hello SilverBear. That may be the 1st one in a local mall, however, Jadar82 opened a store down the street from Maketplace mall in Pittsford a while ago. You should stop by there and say hello some day.
Evapeworld.com

Well technically we are a home run business but with luck and if sale keep up hopefully someday soon, we will be brick and mortar store.

Jay

 

[wave42]

Great job with the name "Quit Smoking Now"...NOT!!! This only contributes to the problems we're having by promoting electronic cigarettes for smoking cessation! Damn it!!

Well, if you're vaping an ecig, you're certainly not smoking, are you?

 

[CJsKee]

You're correct Wave, but you might want to do some more reading. According to the FDA, if it is a smoking cessation product, it is a drug and must be regulated under the FDCA. If that happens, the e-cig will be banned! We are fighting to have e-cigs regulated as a tobacco product.

 

[Mac]

I would just like to chime in here and give my opinion. It is erroneous to sell someone an electronic cigarette with the promise that it can help them quit smoking. Not because of the laws. But because smoking addiction is in fact an illness. What we are addicted to as nicotine users is not necessarily smoke. It is (in my opinion) mostly nicotine and perhaps some of the other additives and naturally occuring alkaloids. As creatures of habit we humans tend to compound chemical addictions with psychological addictions in the way of associating a particular act with a certain situation. (for example the reward aspect of enjoying a cigarette on a work break) Although I have (over the last 17 months) seen a TON of anectdotal evidence that supports the notion that it is very easy to stop smoking by simply switching to an e-cigarette. I feel it merits mentioning that switching to an e-cigarette does NOT stop you from being addicted to nicotine and if anything reinforces those habitual and psychological aspects of smoking like the hand to mouth activity and the reward aspect. In my mind this means two things:

1 The FDA is dead wrong. It is a less toxic alternative and not a cessation product.
I believe that it is less toxic for a number of reasons the biggest of which is the tremendous improvement in pulmonary function that I personally have experienced after switching. Every report study or analysis that I have read seems to support this.

2 Any individual making cessation claims is not being honest. In many instances I feel these individuals are engaged in self deception and continuing the deception in their marketing claims. I don't necessarily believe that it is for malicious reasons but the bottom line is that if you use nicotine on a daily basis it is very likely that you are addicted.

I am addicted to nicotine and caffeine. It is very likely that I am also nursing several other addictions to food additives like frutcose or preservatives.

I find the notion that a governmental body has the authority to decide which substances I can and cannot be addicted to both intrusive and frightening. As our society continues to advance we would do well to take a lesson from the works of George Orwell. Although I realize that certain chemical compounds and alkaloid extracts can do more harm then good I am not convinced that Giving regulatory agencies uber powers to decide who lives and who dies because they find addiction distasteful to be a very well thought out or even ethical idea. At some point we need to treat our citizens like grown ups and educate them as to the consequences of certain behaviors and then let them decide for themselves. Anyone who seeks to harm the population for reasons of greed and a religious fueled desire for puritanical control is (in my mind) guilty of treason.

It is what it is. What it is not is a magical cure all for mankinds innate desire to alter his conciousness.

 

[r8ross]

I'm right down the street from Market Place, I'll have to stop down there on lunch on Tuesday and check it out.

 

[kristin]

We need to force the FDA and all to acknowledge that "smoking cessation" and "nicotine cessation" are not the same thing. They MUST acknowledge reduced harm and the fact that using a smokeless alternative is NOT the same as smoking.

Ecig companies should be able to claim that completely switching to ecigs IS "quitting smoking" because there IS NO SMOKE.

If I switch from coffee to cola, am I still considered a "coffee drinker" because I still consume caffeine?

It's ridiculous.

"Nicotine cessation" = "treatment" and "drug" and no longer using nicotine.

"Smoking cessation" = anything that isn't smoking!

That being said, the ecig companies cannot claim that they are a smoking cessation product until the FDA acknowledges that "smoking cessation" is NOT a "treatment claim" like "nicotine cessation" and until there are "official" studies which actually show how effective ecigs are at getting people to switch 100%.

I would just like to chime in here and give my opinion. It is erroneous to sell someone an electronic cigarette with the promise that it can help them quit smoking. Not because of the laws. But because smoking addiction is in fact an illness. What we are addicted to as nicotine users is not necessarily smoke. It is (in my opinion) mostly nicotine and perhaps some of the other additives and naturally occuring alkaloids. As creatures of habit we humans tend to compound chemical addictions with psychological addictions in the way of associating a particular act with a certain situation. (for example the reward aspect of enjoying a cigarette on a work break) Although I have (over the last 17 months) seen a TON of anectdotal evidence that supports the notion that it is very easy to stop smoking by simply switching to an e-cigarette. I feel it merits mentioning that switching to an e-cigarette does NOT stop you from being addicted to nicotine and if anything reinforces those habitual and psychological aspects of smoking like the hand to mouth activity and the reward aspect. In my mind this means two things:

1 The FDA is dead wrong. It is a less toxic alternative and not a cessation product.
I believe that it is less toxic for a number of reasons the biggest of which is the tremendous improvement in pulmonary function that I personally have experienced after switching. Every report study or analysis that I have read seems to support this.

2 Any individual making cessation claims is not being honest. In many instances I feel these individuals are engaged in self deception and continuing the deception in their marketing claims. I don't necessarily believe that it is for malicious reasons but the bottom line is that if you use nicotine on a daily basis it is very likely that you are addicted.

I am addicted to nicotine and caffeine. It is very likely that I am also nursing several other addictions to food additives like frutcose or preservatives.

I find the notion that a governmental body has the authority to decide which substances I can and cannot be addicted to both intrusive and frightening. As our society continues to advance we would do well to take a lesson from the works of George Orwell. Although I realize that certain chemical compounds and alkaloid extracts can do more harm then good I am not convinced that Giving regulatory agencies uber powers to decide who lives and who dies because they find addiction distasteful to be a very well thought out or even ethical idea. At some point we need to treat our citizens like grown ups and educate them as to the consequences of certain behaviors and then let them decide for themselves. Anyone who seeks to harm the population for reasons of greed and a religious fueled desire for puritanical control is (in my mind) guilty of treason.

It is what it is. What it is not is a magical cure all for mankinds innate desire to alter his conciousness.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Kristin - you are on point. The only problem is getting the FDA to acknowledge this distinction. Unfortunately, with the advisory boards and 'expert base' that the FDA employs, that distinction is going to be nigh on impossible to achieve.

The entire concept of harm reduction is going to be a tough sell, simply because it rips down the very foundations of the war on ALL illicit substances that has been SOP in this country for decades. These procedures are deeply embedded into our culture, the attitudes burned into the brains of our children from the moment they start interacting with the world around them...that certain substances are bad, illegal, and, to a certain extent, immoral as well.

I DO see the enlightened aspects of harm reduction, don't get me wrong, but I also see the entrenched position, bloated with money, power, position and influence, which will use any and all means at its disposal to bury harm reduction before it can change the status quo...and that includes tearing down, refuting, or otherwise ridiculing or ignoring any studies that can be put forth to support harm reduction.

Can harm reduction achieve status in this country? I do believe so - but it'll be a long, uphill struggle.

 

[Snik]

If I switch from coffee to cola, am I still considered a "coffee drinker" because I still consume caffeine?

It's ridiculous.

Nice one.

 

[SilverBear]

I finally had some extra time to pay a visit to the kiosk, the first time I've
been in ANY mall in well over two years.

When I first got there, it was open for business but nobody was manning
the display. The product is SmokingEverywhere, but the kiosk itself is named
Stop Smoking Now. Two decent sized LCD screens went on and on about
the product and the results you should expect. I stuck around for about 5
minutes; nobody there to sell it, no other shoppers even paid the kiosk any
attention. And no clue how much they were asking for a kit.

Not sure how this place is making enough to pay the rent.

Crickets chirping and tumbleweeds.

 

[karmatized]

mafia money washing business perhaps? lols

 

[r8ross]

Finally stopped by the Kiosk, right across from the AT&T store ( I have a friend who works there). I guess they are selling their starter kit for $150. Didn't see any customers. My friend does have some of my business cards on hand