Morandir's collection of test info
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Well, just finished another test. Sadly, one of the shorty stealths is no longer holding it's charge like it used to. It's final numbers are as follows:
Shorty #1 (after 241 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.19 (9min in), 4.16 (18min), 4.13 (27min), 4.10 (36min), 4.05 (45min), 4.0 (54min), 3.97 (63min), 3.91 (72min), 3.82 (81min), 3.74 (90min), after a few puffs nothing.
This was the one that was constantly deep cycled. He did a great job until about 3 charges ago when he started dramatically losing his hold. 237 charges though is a very good life, and for most that should be a good 4-6 months of use barring a juice incident...
Which brings me to part two. How much juice does it take to kill the switch on these? A little while ago someone sent me a batt that had been killed by juice not going into the switch at all, but building up around the outside of the post. It affected the negative terminal to a point it shorted out the battery. This was a v1 king diamond batt, and the switch functions perfectly, but it will not transfer voltage to the post due to this. So again we see another problem with using the condom fill method on these batteries. I'm trying to get pics up, but sadly I'm once again having issues. Will post them as soon as I can.
This battery (shorty #1) was used to figure out just how much juice is needed to kill the switch itself. The exact measurement was .02ml's, equal to the average sized drop for most people. It didn't kill it at first, it worked for about 30 minutes, then it was intermittent firing that no use of the switch reset method would fix. Sad part is, even less than that could possibly it kill it. When the king diamond shorty #1 starts to die, will put even less into it, then place it on the charger. Myself and Snow sir have a feeling that the heat generated by the charging batt could be enough to caramelize the juice on the switch thus rendering it useless as well. Will be testing that theory soon.
So again folks, be very careful when refilling these batts. Hope this helps.
Shorty #1 (after 241 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.19 (9min in), 4.16 (18min), 4.13 (27min), 4.10 (36min), 4.05 (45min), 4.0 (54min), 3.97 (63min), 3.91 (72min), 3.82 (81min), 3.74 (90min), after a few puffs nothing.
This was the one that was constantly deep cycled. He did a great job until about 3 charges ago when he started dramatically losing his hold. 237 charges though is a very good life, and for most that should be a good 4-6 months of use barring a juice incident...
Which brings me to part two. How much juice does it take to kill the switch on these? A little while ago someone sent me a batt that had been killed by juice not going into the switch at all, but building up around the outside of the post. It affected the negative terminal to a point it shorted out the battery. This was a v1 king diamond batt, and the switch functions perfectly, but it will not transfer voltage to the post due to this. So again we see another problem with using the condom fill method on these batteries. I'm trying to get pics up, but sadly I'm once again having issues. Will post them as soon as I can.
This battery (shorty #1) was used to figure out just how much juice is needed to kill the switch itself. The exact measurement was .02ml's, equal to the average sized drop for most people. It didn't kill it at first, it worked for about 30 minutes, then it was intermittent firing that no use of the switch reset method would fix. Sad part is, even less than that could possibly it kill it. When the king diamond shorty #1 starts to die, will put even less into it, then place it on the charger. Myself and Snow sir have a feeling that the heat generated by the charging batt could be enough to caramelize the juice on the switch thus rendering it useless as well. Will be testing that theory soon.
So again folks, be very careful when refilling these batts. Hope this helps.
Thanks so much for your ongoing tests and info, Morandir. 
NOTE TO SELF: Inspect and clean those battery posts more often!!!
NOTE TO SELF: Inspect and clean those battery posts more often!!!
This is exactly why I say there's a lot going on in that" Beautiful Mind". And also why I think V4L ahould hire you or supply you with batts, chargers etc.
Great job Morandir ...Thank you
Great job Morandir ...Thank you
Another test complete, sorry for the delay on posting this, but had all the notes hand written.... Anyone who has gotten a package from me knows how bad my handwriting is, and that day was worse than usual, even I had a hard time deciphering it....
Stealth shorty #1 passed on during the hurricane. He made it to 247 charges. His final numbers were:
4.2 (as), 4.19 (9min in), 4.17 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.10 (36min), 4.02 (45min), 3.97 (54min), 3.93 (63min), 3.89 (72min), 3.81 (81min), 3.71 (90min), got no vapor after that.
Recharged him one more time after that though, because he too was to be donated to science. I put .01ml of juice into the center hole of the post. Switch still functioned after that. Vaped it for 60 minutes, then placed him back on the charger and left him there for 8 hours. The heat from charging it was enough to caramelize the juice in the switch itself, thus rendering it useless. So once again more reason to be careful when refilling with autos. Even a minute amount of juice can kill the switch, even if it's not right away.
Would like to SnowDragon sir credit for helping with this test. Our brainstorming session lead to it.
Stealth shorty #1 passed on during the hurricane. He made it to 247 charges. His final numbers were:
4.2 (as), 4.19 (9min in), 4.17 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.10 (36min), 4.02 (45min), 3.97 (54min), 3.93 (63min), 3.89 (72min), 3.81 (81min), 3.71 (90min), got no vapor after that.
Recharged him one more time after that though, because he too was to be donated to science. I put .01ml of juice into the center hole of the post. Switch still functioned after that. Vaped it for 60 minutes, then placed him back on the charger and left him there for 8 hours. The heat from charging it was enough to caramelize the juice in the switch itself, thus rendering it useless. So once again more reason to be careful when refilling with autos. Even a minute amount of juice can kill the switch, even if it's not right away.
Would like to SnowDragon sir credit for helping with this test. Our brainstorming session lead to it.
Bumping this to show Ms. QSSV and others just how little juice can kill a batt...
Just realized I put stealth Shorty #1, meant king diamond shorty #1 on the previous post. See what happens when you don't double check what you type...
Anyways, the test is complete, all 4 batts are now dead. The ones deep cycled made it 241 and 247 before losing their ability to hold a charge. Here's a recap of all of them, and what point each battery dropped to the 90 minute range:
As stated before, used a 2.2ohm wow carto as usual on these tests, and it was a mix of each type of charger.
King Diamonds:
Shorty #1
4.2 at start (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.18 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.16 (36min), 4.10 (45min), 4.05 (54min), 4.03 (63min), 4.02 (72min), 4.0 (81min), 3.98 (90min), 3.97 (99min), 3.94 (108min), 3.88 (117min), 3.73 (126min), 2 minutes later flash city
Shorty #1 (after 77 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.16 (36min), 4.09 (45min), 4.04 (54min), 4.03 (63min), 4.02 (72min), 4.0 (81min), 3.99 (90min), 3.95 (99min), 3.93 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.71 (126min), 1 minute later recharge time
Shorty #1 (after 158 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.08 (45min), 4.04 (54min), 4.03 (63min), 4.01 (72min), 4.0 (81min), 3.99 (90min), 3.94 (99min), 3.93 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.71 (126min), 2 puffs later was time to recharge.
Shorty #1 (after 247 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.19 (9min in), 4.17 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.10 (36min), 4.02 (45min), 3.97 (54min), 3.93 (63min), 3.89 (72min), 3.81 (81min), 3.71 (90min), got no vapor after that, just flashes.
Shorty #2
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.2 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.11 (45min), 4.02 (54min), 4.01 (63min), 4.0 (72min), 3.97 (81min), 3.95 (90min), 3.91 (99min), 3.89 (108min), 3.86 (117min), 6 minutes later flashes (only deep cycle the batt ever had, for the orginal test).
Shorty #2 (after 81 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.12 (45min), 4.03 (54min), 4.0 (63min), 4.0 (72min), 3.98 (81min), 3.94 (90min), 3.90 (99min), 3.88 (108min), 3.86 (117min), 5 minutes later major vapor decrease, recharged.
Shorty #2 (after 163 recharges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.17 (36min), 4.13 (45min), 4.04 (54min), 4.0 (63min), 4.0 (72min), 3.97 (81min), 3.93 (90min), 3.90 (99min), 3.88 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 4 minutes later vapor production fell off, so on the charger it went
Shorty #2 (after 318 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.18 (9min in), 4.15 (18min), 4.13 (27min), 4.09 (36min), 4.0 (45min), 3.95 (54min), 3.91 (63min), 3.89 (72min), 3.81 (81min), didn't make it to the 90 minute mark, flashed at 86 minutes and 35 seconds.
That's a difference of 71 charges by stopping 9 minutes before the end of charge on a battery. Once again we see the benefit of avoiding deep cycling the batts.
Stealths:
Shorty #1
4.2 at start (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.18 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.11 (45min), 4.09 (54min), 4.07 (63min), 4.06 (72min), 4.04 (81min), 4.03 (90min), 4.01 (99min), 3.99 (108min), 3.86 (117min), 3.75 (126min), after 4 and a half minutes it stopped producing vapor
Shorty #1 (after 81 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.19 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.12 (45min), 4.09 (54min), 4.07 (63min), 4.06 (72min), 4.02 (81min), 4.01 (90min), 4.0 (99min), 3.99 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.75 (126min), after about 3 minutes and a quarter it was dead time.
Shorty #1 (after 172 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.18 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.13 (45min), 4.09 (54min), 4.08 (63min), 4.06 (72min), 4.01 (81min), 4.0 (90min), 4.0 (99min), 3.99 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.75 (126min), after 2 and a half minutes nothing.
Shorty #1 (after 241 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.19 (9min in), 4.16 (18min), 4.13 (27min), 4.10 (36min), 4.05 (45min), 4.0 (54min), 3.97 (63min), 3.91 (72min), 3.82 (81min), 3.74 (90min), after a few puffs nothing.
Shorty #2
4.2 at start (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.16 (36min), 4.15 (45min), 4.13 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.08 (72min), 4.07 (81min), 4.05 (90min), 4.03 (99min), 4.02 (108min), 3.86 (117min), 3.74 (126min), at that point stopped to recharge knowing it was near it's end.
Shorty #2 (after 89 charges)
4.2 at start (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.18 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.16 (36min), 4.15 (45min), 4.12 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.08 (72min), 4.07 (81min), 4.06 (90min), 4.04 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.72 (126min), just as before, stopped to recharge knowing it was near it's end.
Shorty #2 (after 178 charges)
4.2 at start (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.14 (45min), 4.12 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.08 (72min), 4.08 (81min), 4.05 (90min), 4.03 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 3.89 (117min), 3.74 (126min), stopped there knowing it would soon be at it's dead point.
Shorty #2 (after 331 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.18 (9min in), 4.14 (18min), 4.10 (27min), 4.03 (36min), 3.97 (45min), 3.91 (54min), 3.85 (63min), 3.82 (72min), 3.72 (81min), 5 minutes later nothing.
On the stealth batts that was a difference of 90 charges by avoiding deep cycling. These batts which still funtioned were then subjected to some other tests which I'll post the info on soon in a new thread. The main thing to remember though, is if you want to get the longest amount of life out of your batts, charge them before they're dead. Hope this helps.
Anyways, the test is complete, all 4 batts are now dead. The ones deep cycled made it 241 and 247 before losing their ability to hold a charge. Here's a recap of all of them, and what point each battery dropped to the 90 minute range:
As stated before, used a 2.2ohm wow carto as usual on these tests, and it was a mix of each type of charger.
King Diamonds:
Shorty #1
4.2 at start (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.18 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.16 (36min), 4.10 (45min), 4.05 (54min), 4.03 (63min), 4.02 (72min), 4.0 (81min), 3.98 (90min), 3.97 (99min), 3.94 (108min), 3.88 (117min), 3.73 (126min), 2 minutes later flash city
Shorty #1 (after 77 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.16 (36min), 4.09 (45min), 4.04 (54min), 4.03 (63min), 4.02 (72min), 4.0 (81min), 3.99 (90min), 3.95 (99min), 3.93 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.71 (126min), 1 minute later recharge time
Shorty #1 (after 158 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.08 (45min), 4.04 (54min), 4.03 (63min), 4.01 (72min), 4.0 (81min), 3.99 (90min), 3.94 (99min), 3.93 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.71 (126min), 2 puffs later was time to recharge.
Shorty #1 (after 247 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.19 (9min in), 4.17 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.10 (36min), 4.02 (45min), 3.97 (54min), 3.93 (63min), 3.89 (72min), 3.81 (81min), 3.71 (90min), got no vapor after that, just flashes.
Shorty #2
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.2 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.11 (45min), 4.02 (54min), 4.01 (63min), 4.0 (72min), 3.97 (81min), 3.95 (90min), 3.91 (99min), 3.89 (108min), 3.86 (117min), 6 minutes later flashes (only deep cycle the batt ever had, for the orginal test).
Shorty #2 (after 81 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.12 (45min), 4.03 (54min), 4.0 (63min), 4.0 (72min), 3.98 (81min), 3.94 (90min), 3.90 (99min), 3.88 (108min), 3.86 (117min), 5 minutes later major vapor decrease, recharged.
Shorty #2 (after 163 recharges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.17 (36min), 4.13 (45min), 4.04 (54min), 4.0 (63min), 4.0 (72min), 3.97 (81min), 3.93 (90min), 3.90 (99min), 3.88 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 4 minutes later vapor production fell off, so on the charger it went
Shorty #2 (after 318 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.18 (9min in), 4.15 (18min), 4.13 (27min), 4.09 (36min), 4.0 (45min), 3.95 (54min), 3.91 (63min), 3.89 (72min), 3.81 (81min), didn't make it to the 90 minute mark, flashed at 86 minutes and 35 seconds.
That's a difference of 71 charges by stopping 9 minutes before the end of charge on a battery. Once again we see the benefit of avoiding deep cycling the batts.
Stealths:
Shorty #1
4.2 at start (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.18 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.11 (45min), 4.09 (54min), 4.07 (63min), 4.06 (72min), 4.04 (81min), 4.03 (90min), 4.01 (99min), 3.99 (108min), 3.86 (117min), 3.75 (126min), after 4 and a half minutes it stopped producing vapor
Shorty #1 (after 81 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.19 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.12 (45min), 4.09 (54min), 4.07 (63min), 4.06 (72min), 4.02 (81min), 4.01 (90min), 4.0 (99min), 3.99 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.75 (126min), after about 3 minutes and a quarter it was dead time.
Shorty #1 (after 172 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.18 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.13 (45min), 4.09 (54min), 4.08 (63min), 4.06 (72min), 4.01 (81min), 4.0 (90min), 4.0 (99min), 3.99 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.75 (126min), after 2 and a half minutes nothing.
Shorty #1 (after 241 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.19 (9min in), 4.16 (18min), 4.13 (27min), 4.10 (36min), 4.05 (45min), 4.0 (54min), 3.97 (63min), 3.91 (72min), 3.82 (81min), 3.74 (90min), after a few puffs nothing.
Shorty #2
4.2 at start (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.16 (36min), 4.15 (45min), 4.13 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.08 (72min), 4.07 (81min), 4.05 (90min), 4.03 (99min), 4.02 (108min), 3.86 (117min), 3.74 (126min), at that point stopped to recharge knowing it was near it's end.
Shorty #2 (after 89 charges)
4.2 at start (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.18 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.16 (36min), 4.15 (45min), 4.12 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.08 (72min), 4.07 (81min), 4.06 (90min), 4.04 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.72 (126min), just as before, stopped to recharge knowing it was near it's end.
Shorty #2 (after 178 charges)
4.2 at start (as), 4.2 (9min in), 4.19 (18min), 4.17 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.14 (45min), 4.12 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.08 (72min), 4.08 (81min), 4.05 (90min), 4.03 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 3.89 (117min), 3.74 (126min), stopped there knowing it would soon be at it's dead point.
Shorty #2 (after 331 charges)
4.2 (as), 4.18 (9min in), 4.14 (18min), 4.10 (27min), 4.03 (36min), 3.97 (45min), 3.91 (54min), 3.85 (63min), 3.82 (72min), 3.72 (81min), 5 minutes later nothing.
On the stealth batts that was a difference of 90 charges by avoiding deep cycling. These batts which still funtioned were then subjected to some other tests which I'll post the info on soon in a new thread. The main thing to remember though, is if you want to get the longest amount of life out of your batts, charge them before they're dead. Hope this helps.
WOW. It's incredible, how profoundly deep-cycling shortens battery lifespan!
Thank you so much for all your very detailed work, Morandir!
Thank you so much for all your very detailed work, Morandir!
WOW! Lots and lots of info! Great job Morandir, that's some dedication right there!
Giving this a bump since there's more battery info than you'll ever need or possibly want to know... From mah to around the minimum life expectancy you'll get from a bat with chain vaping (with 5-7 second draws, you can drain a shorty in 30 minutes if you take massive 15-20 second draws every 3rd breath, but those are for the truly stressful times), and a lot more. Also if you check out my blogs on my ecf page you'll see more info on a number of other hardware devices that have never been posted on this forum... Hate shamelessly plugging a post, but why retype info on another thread when it's been sitting here so long.... While I'm at it...
One day I'm gonna take all your info that you painstakingly have collected and make a single file out of it for everyone 
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