More Crap with FDA

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Mohave

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hydrogendioxcide...one person asked what is it and they said they put it in our resorvoirs. they signed it without asking any more questions.
Dihydrogen monoxide actually. The chemical result when two atoms of hydrogen bind to one of oxygen. One of my very favorite websites:

Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division - dihydrogen monoxide info

I post a link to it from time to time in other places, and many true believers of certain causes never do catch on. Dangerous stuff! It is a chemical compound! Has caused many deaths!

EDIT to add: One of my favorite pages within one of my favorite websites; have fun (or be very afraid):

http://www.dhmo.org/coverup.html
 
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webtaxman

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It's about power and control and, yes, money.

In fact, 99% of everything in your life is centered around money.. you just don't know it.

Indeed. I'm curious about two things:

1) Who are the American manufacturers?

2) Is there a thread or link somebody could provide about how to actually make pure nicotine (other than extracting it from a tin can of snuff)?

I live in the city where that lady OD'd on H2O. It was a radio station contest--who can drink the most water--for a prize. There is no cure for stupidity, but if there ever was -- the FDA would surely ban it.

Mike
 

yvilla

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Indeed. I'm curious about two things:

1) Who are the American manufacturers?

I can only answer one of them:

There are no American manufacturers, at least not yet. I think the poster just doesn't realize that njoy is simply buying and rebranding the same ecigs everybody else is buying.

I actually responded to a similar post of his the other day, telling him that, and pointing out (if he wanted proof) that we have seen copies of the customs letters authorizing njoy imports (posted a copy here myself way back), that are available in the cutoms online database. But I guess he didn't see it. ;)
 
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OutWest

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2) Is there a thread or link somebody could provide about how to actually make pure nicotine (other than extracting it from a tin can of snuff)?
there's lots of info out there, but nicotine in its pure form is quite deadly and nicotine is readily absorbed through the skin. The toxic level for an average adult is 40-60 mg.
 

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Look at the quotes in these articles, her title is "spokeperson." She's not a decision maker at all. Even if she was, bombarding her e-mail and voicemail box is not going to help. If you're going to go to all of this effort, send letters to your elected officials - they should theoretically care what their constituents think.
 

Sun Vaporer

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Look at the quotes in these articles, her title is "spokeperson." She's not a decision maker at all. Even if she was, bombarding her e-mail and voicemail box is not going to help. If you're going to go to all of this effort, send letters to your elected officials - they should theoretically care what their constituents think.

Smokingfreely--That is not the issue--Rita Chappelle of the FDA has been making inconsistant statments unsupported by the very own actions and inactions of her very own agency for quite some time now. Yes, Ms. Chapplee is the Head Spokesperson for the Drug Division of the FDA and as such we deserve to hear more then just 'rambling" and "inconsitant" statments from her as a spokeperson. -----------------Sun
 

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When it rains it pours, eh?
Well. Pour indeed.

I thought the article was a little thin on quantitative specifics, so I searched out the original published research paper, which lead me to look at something else, which in turn led me to want to look at someting else, which led me to stumble across:

Word Spy - nicotini
nicotini (nik.oh.TEE.nee) n. A nicotine-laced martini.

...These tobacco-spiked martinis are being served up for die-hard smokers who don't want to leave their bar stools and go outside to light up...
And:

Smoking ban? Drink to that with a nicotini
[FONT=arial,helvetica]Forget the martini. Nix the appletini.
[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica]Enter the nicotini.
[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica]The nicotini is a drink made from tobacco-infused vodka, popular at nightspots in states with smoking bans, like New York and California. Created in Fort Lauderdale in July 2002, the beverage promises to give smokers a jolt of nicotine without ever leaving their barstool. [/FONT]
Cheers.
 

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The money trail leads rite back to big tobacco. They will spend millions to grab the law makers ears so we don't take a few bucks out of their pockets. I still think a religion is the way around it. It works for people smoking peyote. Look what the drug companies did for oxygen. You can not purchase pressurized oxygen for human consumption without a prescription. I know, I use it for altitude sickness.
 
K...This is Dr. Gene Scott, ranting about the FCC, but I figure this applies to the FDA as well. I miss this old fart. He was a loon, but he told it like it was. (Bear in mind this was in the early 80's I believe so as you can see, "the more things change the more they remain the same".) And yes, I believe in the long run he did lose his fight with the FCC but he did an end around on them, bought his own satellite time and broadcast on his own network. So where there's a will there's a way.

YouTube - god's angry man - featuring Dr. Gene Scot - herzog
:evil:

*Please don't chastise me for saying what I feel. I'm not in the mood to be reasonable or to do any "....-snorkling" with the FDA. Yes I agree that one must maintain a certain amount of decorum when contacting them regarding issues that need addressing. BUT I'm not doing that here. I'm EXPRESSING MY OPINION on the matter. I will face the consequences of expressing that opinion, but I will not be quiet.
 
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webtaxman

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Just substitute E-Cig every time you see the word "cosmetics.

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What does the law say about cosmetic safety and labeling?

The two most important laws pertaining to cosmetics marketed in the United States are the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act) and the Fair Packaging and Labeling Act (FPLA).

The FD&C Act prohibits the marketing of adulterated or misbranded cosmetics in interstate commerce.

Violations of the Act involving product composition--whether they result from ingredients, contaminants, processing, packaging, or shipping and handling--cause cosmetics to be adulterated and subject to regulatory action. Under the FD&C Act, a cosmetic is adulterated if--

"it bears or contains any poisonous or deleterious substance which may render it injurious to users under the conditions of use prescribed in the labeling thereof, or under conditions of use as are customary and usual" [with an exception made for hair dyes];
"it consists in whole or in part of any filthy putrid, or decomposed substance";
"it has been prepared, packed, or held under insanitary conditions whereby it may have become contaminated with filth, or whereby it may have been rendered injurious to health";
"its container is composed, in whole or in part, of any poisonous or deleterious substance which may render the contents injurious to health"; or
except for hair dyes, "it is, or it bears or contains, a color additive which is unsafe within the meaning of section 721(a)" of the FD&C Act. (FD&C Act, sec. 601)

Improperly labeled or deceptively packaged products are considered misbranded and subject to regulatory action. Under the FD&C Act, a cosmetic is considered misbranded if--

"its labeling is false or misleading in any particular";
its label does not include all required information;
the required information is not adequately prominent and conspicuous;
"its container is so made, formed, or filled as to be misleading";
it is a color additive, other than a hair dye, that does not conform to applicable regulations issued under section 721 of the FD&C Act; and
"its packaging or labeling is in violation of an applicable regulation issued pursuant to section 3 or 4 of the Poison Prevention Packaging Act of 1970." (FD&C Act, sec. 602)
In addition, under the authority of the FPLA, FDA requires an ingredient declaration to enable consumers to make informed purchasing decisions. Cosmetics that fail to comply with the FPLA are considered misbranded under the FD&C Act.

It is important to understand that Congress passes the laws that govern the United States. To put those laws into effect, Congress authorizes certain government agencies, including FDA, to create and enforce regulations, but only as authorized under the law.

A change in FDA's statutory authority over cosmetics would require Congress to change the law.

Does FDA approve cosmetics before they go on the market?

FDA's legal authority over cosmetics is different from other products regulated by the agency, such as drugs, biologics, and medical devices.

Cosmetic products and ingredients are not subject to FDA premarket approval authority, with the exception of color additives. However, FDA may pursue enforcement action against violative products, or against firms or individuals who violate the law.

Who is responsible for substantiating the safety of cosmetics?

Cosmetic firms are responsible for substantiating the safety of their products and ingredients before marketing.

Failure to adequately substantiate the safety of a cosmetic product or its ingredients prior to marketing causes the product to be misbranded unless the following warning statement appears conspicuously on the principal display panel of the product's label:

"Warning--The safety of this product has not been determined." (21 CFR 740.10)


In addition, regulations prohibit or restrict the use of several ingredients in cosmetic products and require warning statements on the labels of certain types of cosmetics.

In general, except for color additives and those ingredients which are prohibited or restricted from use in cosmetics by regulation, a manufacturer may use any ingredient in the formulation of a cosmetic provided that the ingredient and the finished cosmetic are safe, the product is properly labeled, and the use of the ingredient does not otherwise cause the cosmetic to be adulterated or misbranded under the laws that FDA enforces.


Can FDA order the recall of a hazardous cosmetic from the market?

Recalls of cosmetics are voluntary actions taken by manufacturers or distributors to remove from the marketplace products that represent a hazard or gross deception, or that are somehow defective. FDA categorizes a firm's action as a recall (as opposed to a market withdrawal) when it determines that the product hazard or defect represents a violation of the FD&C Act.

FDA is not authorized to require recalls of cosmetics but does monitor companies that conduct a product recall and may request a product recall if the firm is not willing to remove dangerous products from the market without FDA's written request. Recalls are addressed in Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), sections 7.40 through 7.59.

What actions can FDA take against firms that market adulterated or misbranded cosmetics?

FDA may take regulatory action if it has information to support that a cosmetic is adulterated or misbranded. The agency can pursue action through the Department of Justice in the federal court system to remove adulterated and misbranded cosmetics from the market.

Sounds like the DOJ is the watchdog for FDA unauthorized actions -- over stepping their boundaries How can they be seizing shipments already?

To prevent further shipment of an adulterated or misbranded product, the agency may request a federal district court to issue a restraining order against the manufacturer or distributor of the violative cosmetic.

Violative cosmetics may be subject to seizure. FDA also may initiate criminal action against a person violating the law.

In addition, FDA works closely with the U.S. Customs Service to monitor imports.

Under section 801(a) of the FD&C Act, imported cosmetics are subject to review by FDA at the time of entry through U.S. Customs. Products that do not comply with FDA laws and regulations are subject to refusal of admission into the United States. Violative products must be brought into compliance (if feasible), destroyed, or re-exported.

FDA takes regulatory action based upon agency priorities, consistent with public health concerns and available resources.

Can FDA inspect cosmetic manufacturers?

FDA can and does inspect cosmetic manufacturing facilities to assure cosmetic product safety and determine whether cosmetics are adulterated or misbranded under the FD&C Act or FPLA.

Does FDA test cosmetics?

The FD&C Act does not subject cosmetics to FDA premarket approval in order to be marketed legally.

However, FDA collects samples for examination and analysis as part of its plant inspections, import inspections, and follow-up to complaints of adverse reactions. FDA may also conduct research on cosmetic products and ingredients to address safety concerns.

The agency does not function as a private testing laboratory, and in order to avoid even the perception of conflict of interest, does not recommend private laboratories to consumers or manufacturers for sample analysis. Testing laboratories are listed in your telephone directory.

Must cosmetic manufacturers register with FDA?

Manufacturers are not required to register their cosmetic establishments, file data on ingredients, or report cosmetic-related injuries to FDA.

However, companies are encouraged to register their establishments and file Cosmetic Product Ingredient Statements with FDA's Voluntary Cosmetic Registration Program (VCRP)


Wonder if this dude in the attached file can help? I need a civics lesson.
 

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spakk

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The Times UK article deserves its own thread in the Health/Nicotine section of the forum. Can you post it there, Spakk?

Agreed, TropicalBob, good point. I tried, but do not yet have the authority to start threads. Perhaps a kindly admin would move it there, and excuse my clumsy error (I couldn't find a more apt thread there to accidentally hijack). ;)
 
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