Most overrated E-Juice?

[Fir3b1rd]

i never had a problem...get my juices, take the tops off and leave them on my vaping desk open, shake them when i get home from work and when i wake up in the morning, after 5 or so days i'm good to go even though i will put the tops on and wait a few more days before filling a tank

but whenever i try an expensive juice, i'm like hmmm...i can combine this mbv and that mbv flavor to make this exact flavor, doing it with five pawn products right now

except peach, their peach smells lovely but i'm not into the flavor

Whatever works bro, that's what it's all about.
Glad you found what works for you!

If you did wanna DIY or dabble maybe
http://killer-juice.com
May be a decent way to start for you; just saying.
It's a quick way dabble in those waters since the base is already mixed at 50/50 and whatever nic level you want. Just add flavor. Or I use the base to cut premiums I order with extra flavoring

It's funny to me how sever people like myself have found what they like and yes I live some of the pricier juices, castlelong, gambit, sir James to name a few and yes they are pricey; but since Isle my own I get them as a treAt. Several of us are the same way and we are happy for people who found something more affordable that they like. I am truly happy for those of you who went that route and are happy with it.
Why are those of us who go the route I do called fanboys? Or heckled? Or better yet generally bashed for liking "overpriced" juice?
Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
Not looking to degrade this thread I'm looking for an actual reason or logic for that thought.
I've been trying to figure it out for a while and every time i pose the question it downgrades to a big uproar and a thread gets closed can we please keep the discussion civil. Just want to know why it's ok to think one way but the same logic don't apply the other.

 

[young gotti]

Whatever works bro, that's what it's all about.
Glad you found what works for you!
If you did wanna DIY or dabble maybe
Killer Juice - Natural Flavors Made in The USA
May be a decent way to start for you; just saying.
It's a quick way dabble in those waters since the base is already mixed at 50/50 and whatever nic level you want. Just add flavor. Or I use the base to cut premiums I order with extra flavoring

yeah i saw that, i may do that...i have some killer juice steeping at my house now and i'll go from there but i ordered enough juice from the 4th of july sales to last me forever, so far it's all been decent

but pocono organics is kind of meh, the ppl at the store overhype it but it's not mentioned here often, the flavors aren't candyish flavor they are real life tasting but even on a dripper the flavor is so light it's like grasping at straws to get it

 

[TheProphet]

Pretty much anything from Mt. Baker, though I haven't tried the GWAR juice yet.

Also, Killer Juice. Every liquid I've gotten from them so far has been beyond tasteless.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

yeah i saw that, i may do that...i have some killer juice steeping at my house now and i'll go from there but i ordered enough juice from the 4th of july sales to last me forever, so far it's all been decent

but pocono organics is kind of meh, the ppl at the store overhype it but it's not mentioned here often, the flavors aren't candyish flavor they are real life tasting but even on a dripper the flavor is so light it's like grasping at straws to get it

Never heard of that one: (pocono)
But I don't like Candys or overly sweet flavors.
I stick to deserts and creams usually
My favorite DIY right now is a pancake with strawberry, custard and brown sugar. Or I'm totally digging a vanilla cheesecake with caramel.
They are both addicting right now.

- but I won't order premade juice over the web, ill order my DIY supplies obviously burning it's already made I'm going to a b&m to get it now; luckily we have a few shops here with a great selection.

I rarely listen to the shop people though; i used to; till I realized they were always hyping what they liked not what I would like and they knew me. Lol

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

I didn't like Five Pawns... Especially Castle Long. To me, the taste is perfect if not for an overly bourbon taste. I don't like anything like that. I DIY without that Bourbon taste. I sold my Castle Long on the classifieds.

Tribecca is another I don't like. I tested this in their standard CE4 tank at a local shop and thought yummy. Got it home in a more advanced tank and there's this horrible after taste. I think its their tobacco base that's just nasty. If not for that the other flavors are awesome. I have 25ml left of a 30ml bottle. I take it out and test it sometimes just to see if that aftertaste of tobacco will tone down but it hasn't. I will sale this one later when I have the time. I make my own version of this too but without that aftertaste.


I love complex flavors. Our taste does change after vaping a while but after over a year of vaping I can't force myself to like something that my taste buds just can't tolerate. It's just like food. Not everyone likes the same foods. It doesn't necessarily mean its a bad food it just means it's not for you.

But honestly eliquids I didn't like last year I still don't like now. Taste buds do change but not to that extent. If a person doesn't like Bourbon then any juice with that taste will make them cringe at any stage in their vaping journey.

 

[bo7e1se]

All Five Pawns to me.. I liked Queenside for a while, but then it got nasty as the time went on. Definitely overpriced and overrated!

 

[ambientech]

Most e-juice is overrated IMO.

I don't like to pay $1/ml for any juice but if it is something I enjoy enough I will. It seems many can't differentiate DIY with running a business for profit. Sure your DIY materials are cheap but how much is your time worth? My time is worth much more than I would save playing juice mixer. Paying someone else $.50-.60/ml is worth it to me. Got to love capitalism!!!

 

[Skeebo]

I hate to be a stick in the mud, but I haven't found any juices; or seen any for that matter, that were overrated. The only thing that keeps me from buying that stuff in the fancy, toilet paper tube is my country boy logic.

 

[Mike Literus]

Vapetrik ejuice line

 

[PinkFloydFan]

Mt baker vapor. Cant stand there juices tried 4 and they have a perfumery or chemical taste. Ever after 3 weeks steeping.

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[Tangaroav]

Most e-juice is overrated IMO.

I don't like to pay $1/ml for any juice but if it is something I enjoy enough I will. It seems many can't differentiate DIY with running a business for profit. Sure your DIY materials are cheap but how much is your time worth? My time is worth much more than I would save playing juice mixer. Paying someone else $.50-.60/ml is worth it to me. Got to love capitalism!!!

To each is own. I understand your point and if it works for you great.

In my case I like simple flavors and mixing 100ml of my e-juice takes at the most 30 minutes including getting the stuff ready and the clean up. That's a 50$ saving at $.50/ml and well worth my time.

When I want new or more complex flavors, I buy where the vendors are more realistic in their profit margins. There are many on the web and I find that most can compete for quality and recipes with those high markup brands.

 

[krisjay]

I don't think it is possible for a juice to be truly "overrated". If a lot of people like it and rave about it, it is genuinely good for them. If you don't like it, it just doesn't suit your tastes. A lot of flavors are 50-50, meaning that about half of the people who try it love it while the other half hates it.

I also think there is a historical aspect to this, since flavors created several years ago may have been amazing back then because that was what everyone expected. Today we have juices bursting with realistic or unique amazing flavors so now they don't compare. Everyone expects this borderling-on-flavor-overload now.

I was going to post something negative about NLV tasting weak and a little strange to me, but then I thought of the two points above.

EDIT: Now, if we start discussing juice that is overpriced, I definitely think there is a lot of that out there. I don't know how profitable e-liquid vendors are, but there is quite the discrepancy in price points between equal quality juice. Some vendors seem to generate a lot of hype, have fancy websites and use intricate custom labeling and bottles then charge a mint for their "gourmet" offerings. Everyone speaks more highly of things they pay more for (its a psychological thing and justification), so the cycle continues.

Can you please tell me about these unique, realistic and amazing flavors, I'm seriously struggling here.

 

[Mazinny]

I hate to be a stick in the mud, but I haven't found any juices; or seen any for that matter, that were overrated. The only thing that keeps me from buying that stuff in the fancy, toilet paper tube is my country boy logic.

???? what do you even mean by this ? really confused. All overrated means is a juice that tons of people rate highly which you may think is undeserved praise. Ok so you think 5p packaging is a little corny. faux luxury packaging so people can reaffirm their own sense of refined taste by it's purchase.. i feel the same, and won't pay that type of money per ml unless i thought the juice was way better than others that cost half the price, which i don't think they are. But independent of the form, you must have an opinion on the substance, no ?

Do you really like every single juice out there that has earned high praise from lot's of people ?

 

[Fir3b1rd]

???? what do you even mean by this ? really confused. All overrated means is a juice that tons of people rate highly which you may think is undeserved praise. Ok so you think 5p packaging is a little corny. faux luxury packaging so people can reaffirm their own sense of refined taste by it's purchase.. i feel the same, and won't pay that type of money per ml unless i thought the juice was way better than others that cost half the price, which i don't think they are. But independent of the form, you must have an opinion on the substance, no ?

Do you really like every single juice out there that has earned high praise from lot's of people ?

Some of us have different definition of overpriced and overrated than others.

Overrated to me means few people like it yet it's gained a great reputation by most people.
Ie: when I first started vaping and was looking for juice other than what my local store sold(at the time we only had one shop and all they sold was there house juice) a bunch of people told me mt baker was great. It is if you like port-o-let water. That's my opinion of their juice.

Overpriced to me is an item staying priced over the market value of its product as defined by economic theory.
Ie: gasoline prices artificially going up when a storm enters the gulf and an entire region of the country starts to evacuate. Our prices rise while people in other parts of the country not having to run away see their prices stay the same.

By those two definitions I have not seen any juice overpriced. Just because I don't like a certain juice; but, a key audience does. that does not constitute it being overrated; that just means I don't like the juice. It's ok for opinions to differ.
Furthermore; since we don't have governmental interference in the e-liquid market(yet!) what we are seeing is the free market system working the way its supposed to. Why would you drop the price of something if supply and demand is working? People keep buying your product because they see deem it worth the value that the market placed on it. When people stop buying a certain product the price drops or it gets pulled off the market.

At least that's my understanding of it. Then again I have a serious head injury so maybe I'm wrong. But the concept seems very simple to me. I give my money for products I like, when they are priced at a mark that I am ok with. And I don't give people my money for products I don't like or deem it to be worth the price that the market defined for it. It works well because I won't vale port-o-let water.

 

[Mazinny]

Some of us have different definition of overpriced and overrated than others.

Overrated to me means few people like it yet it's gained a great reputation by most people.
Ie: when I first started vaping and was looking for juice other than what my local store sold(at the time we only had one shop and all they sold was there house juice) a bunch of people told me mt baker was great. It is if you like port-o-let water. That's my opinion of their juice.

Overpriced to me is an item staying priced over the market value of its product as defined by economic theory.
Ie: gasoline prices artificially going up when a storm enters the gulf and an entire region of the country starts to evacuate. Our prices rise while people in other parts of the country not having to run away see their prices stay the same.

By those two definitions I have not seen any juice overpriced. Just because I don't like a certain juice; but, a key audience does. that does not constitute it being overrated; that just means I don't like the juice. It's ok for opinions to differ.
Furthermore; since we don't have governmental interference in the e-liquid market(yet!) what we are seeing is the free market system working the way its supposed to. Why would you drop the price of something if supply and demand is working? People keep buying your product because they see deem it worth the value that the market placed on it. When people stop buying a certain product the price drops or it gets pulled off the market.

At least that's my understanding of it. Then again I have a serious head injury so maybe I'm wrong. But the concept seems very simple to me. I give my money for products I like, when they are priced at a mark that I am ok with. And I don't give people my money for products I don't like or deem it to be worth the price that the market defined for it. It works well because I won't vale port-o-let water.

Calling something overrated is exressing a personal opinion. Rating is a subjective action. So when you don't like a juice that is liked by a " key audience " to use your term, that juice is overrated from your point of view, by definition. It's not an objective statement. It's not a fact. It's an expression of opinion.

I made no assertion about a juice being overpriced per se, although i did imply that 5P is overpriced. Again it's my opinion, not fact. It is too costly for the value i derive from the juice. Value in the case of juices is subjective of course, there is no inherent value to eliquid as there is to drinking water for example.

I'm not sure where you got your definition of overpriced from ( not economic theory, for sure ), so i won't comment, but your example makes no sense. The value of gasoline in the conditions you mentioned is far greater than it's value in ordinary circumstances, so in those conditions it is not overpriced if it's priced higher than other parts of the country.

I don't disagree with you on your observations regarding the pricing of juice and the free market, but i believe you are mistaken as to the meaning of the word overpriced and overrated, at least in their colloquial usage and dictionary definitions.

I agree with your last paragraph completely.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I'm not going to argue, I stated how I felt from MY view of what the words mean. The last time I tried to explain the free market system I almost got banned from ECF.
I am however glad that you agree that I'm wrong due to a brain injury.
Makes me feel much better.

 

[Skeebo]

???? what do you even mean by this ? really confused. All overrated means is a juice that tons of people rate highly which you may think is undeserved praise. Ok so you think 5p packaging is a little corny. faux luxury packaging so people can reaffirm their own sense of refined taste by it's purchase.. i feel the same, and won't pay that type of money per ml unless i thought the juice was way better than others that cost half the price, which i don't think they are. But independent of the form, you must have an opinion on the substance, no ?

Do you really like every single juice out there that has earned high praise from lot's of people ?

You don't understand what I said, but yet you describe it to the letter? Well, except for your last sentence of course. Then you went off on a tangent. You see, here's how I look at it-- if you buy something you don't like you have no one to blame but yourself. You might like Italian food, and the next person can't stand it. Does it give the other person the right to say Italian food sucks?

I don't buy e-liquids based off someone saying, "this is the best juice eva!!", that would be stupid of me. Taste is entirely subjective. Smart people get it.

Now Tangaroav is a special person. He's a mad scientist, pinch a penny, blow {MODERATED} up, and has to tell everyone and their mother about it to make himself feel better about himself, kinda guy. That's cool too, in a way.

A strange and twisted sorta way.

But hey, some like Charmin and some like Big Value, in the end they both get the job done.

Skeebo

 

[Tangaroav]

IMO rating does include the price asked for, in this case, e-liquid . Let me be clear: Everyone can pay-for or sell-at whatever they want for e-liquid . This is a given in our free societies.

IMO, most sellers of e-liquid are taking advantage of an exploding market, ( I have no problem with that). Most commercial e-juices are very much overrated as far as selling prices are concerned.

For newbies to the vaping world, the price of e-liquid is not the priority, to quit smoking is .

More experience vapers soon realize that e-liquids is a very simple mixing of a few easily accessible and cheap liquids. DIY recipes abound. Anyone that can mix a drink can mix their e-liquids and do it to their own specific taste and be sure of the quality and integrity of what they are sucking into their body.

This is an unregulated environement where many Jo-blos are selling basement mixed-e-juices. A great looking website is their store front. Even the most sophisticated e-juice mixer is still only mixing cheap and accessible liquids. This uncertainty of quality and integrity is one of the reasons why many experienced vapers go the DIY route. Another reason soon emerges, the cost of DIY e-liquid is about 10 times less than what most mixed e-liquids sell for.

Many still prefer to pay what is offered just like the newbies they have their valid reasons. I'm fine with that too.

 

[Tangaroav]

..... Now Tangaroav is a special person. He's a mad scientist, pinch a penny, blow {MODERATED} up, and has to tell everyone and their mother about it to make himself feel better about himself, kinda guy. That's cool too, in a way.

A strange and twisted sorta way.
........
Skeebo

ha,ha,aha,ha, you gave me a good laugh this morning. The kind of laugh that use to make be cough back when I was a smoker... I got to have another coffee with my DIY Citrus Supreme before I mix a little bit of my famous DIY Banana Delight, ha,ha,ha,ha ....

 

[Mazinny]

I'm not going to argue, I stated how I felt from MY view of what the words mean. The last time I tried to explain the free market system I almost got banned from ECF.
I am however glad that you agree that I'm wrong due to a brain injury.
Makes me feel much better.

I wasn't referring to the part about brain injury i thought that was just you being self-deprecating. I was referring to the sentiment of giving your money to purchase whatever product at the price on offer, if it's worth to you, which was the point i was making about everything in this regard being subjective. How you rate a product, and how you consider it overrated.

If you were being serious about the brain injury, i hope all is well in that regard !