Mountain Oak Vapors: eLiquid Discussion

[Mr.Mann]

I got to try some of their juices last week in another county/local B&M. They did not have the one I really wanted to try but that was OK. I was not over the moon on them. Could have been the tester but who can tell. They have a good size line. I might have to order the one I am after to try it. I was told by owner that the flavor I wanted did not sell so they stopped carrying it.

Yeah, from what I've heard elsewhere and in this thread, they have clearos or something of the sort to try favors in and we all know how wonky those can be. A lot of times, though I don't know this is the case with MOV stores, the clearos sit out and the customer provides the device -- that means they get hit with all types of power and the liquid gets put through the ringer.

MOV is like most vendors in that they have some liquids that'll suit you and others that won't, but their commitment to all the important things behind the scenes puts them in a class inhabited by few.

 

[chanelvaps]

I agree. They were moving along the lines of being diacetyl free and transparency long before it was even considered by others

Yeah, from what I've heard elsewhere and in this thread, they have clearos or something of the sort to try favors in and we all know how wonky those can be. A lot of times, though I don't know this is the case with MOV stores, the clearos sit out and the customer provides the device -- that means they get hit with all types of power and the liquid gets put through the ringer.

MOV is like most vendors in that they have some liquids that'll suit you and others that won't, but their commitment to all the important things behind the scenes puts them in a class inhabited by few.

 

[chanelvaps]

Had to go get my big bottles out now that I joined this thread. Dripping 6 month old Pendragon at .5 watts is the bomb. Lots of tobacco taste. Lots of Cherry taste

 

[Mr.Mann]

Had to go get my big bottles out now that I joined this thread. Dripping 6 month old Pendragon at .5 watts is the bomb. Lots of tobacco taste. Lots of Cherry taste

I am slightly disappointed that I didn't get into more of their tobacco line before hanging up my appreciation for the leaf! I got so stuck on Apache that the rest were PIFed. Well, MOV ain't going anywhere, so I can do it later.

 

[Mazinny]

I agree. They were moving along the lines of being diacetyl free and transparency long before it was even considered by others

Foresight ! If you believe the FDA will approve juices that haven't been tested for diketones, i have a bridge to sell.

 

[Marc411]

JoppaRoadCruiser add a little of the Virus to the Wakonda, it's a whole new vape.

Mr. Mann, I couldn't hold out and gave the Blueberry Torte a run and it's as you described and light Blueberry and for me a little on the sweet side. I can easily give it a little time now and go back to again and see if it changes. It's not something I would probably pick up again.

I enjoy their Deadly Sin and almost always pick another to try looking for that hidden gem. Caramel Apple is pretty good but from their site I still have several to check out.

 

[nessa131]

So im new to vaping and i have bought probably 4 or 5 30 ml bottles and a 10 ml bottle of juice before i did my homework on juices. Im very concerned about popcorn lung etc.

My questions are: is MOV the only place that provides the testing on every juice? Are there other safe juices? And once my MOV order gets here- do i just throw my other juice out? I dont want to waste it if it wont hurt me. Some of it is really good and some not so much- so i wouldn't mind losing the bad stuff! Lol

Thanks for your input!!!!

 

[Marc411]

Most will tell you they don't use diacetyl but can't prove it.

Another trusted vendor is Nicoticket.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Most will tell you they don't use diacetyl but can't prove it.

Another trusted vendor is Nicoticket.

As far as I know, especially since Vaperite ceased using flavorings with it, hardly any vendor does use flavorings with actual diacetyl. The thing is, no vendor is technically using acetyl propionyl, diacetyl or any other diketone, so it's not about whether a vendor uses it or not, it's about whether a vendor uses flavorings with dikeotnes. Many vendors don't know, yet they beat the drum of diacety as if anyone ever "added it". As Dr.Farsalinos points out, this is a much larger conversation than dicaetyl for the replacement (acetyl propionyl) is what is mostly used in the flavoring industry. Now, I am not saying Nicoticket is not a trusted vendor, but they tell you that they do use flavorings with diketones where others either won't or they just don't know. So I wouldn't exactly put them in the same category as MOV since MOV does not use flavorings with diketones (according to their test results) and Nicoticket does. At least with Nicoticket they're being up front about using diketones, but I believe that nessa131 is looking for liquids tested to be diketone-free (maybe I am wrong though?).

Edit: I should add that not all Nicoticket's liquids contain diketones, but as far as I know, the ones that don't are not tested to show that. Like I said before though, they are ahead of the curve considering they are being as up front as possible with the information they have -- and that is important. I wish all the vendors that have the same information as Nicoticket does would provide as they do, even without testing it is a good place to start!

 

[nessa131]

Thank you!!!! Mr. Mann- yes that was what i was asking. It looks like for now i better just stick with MOV until someone else decides to do all the testing that they do!

Would yall risk vaping the non MOV flavors or just throw them out? I have cookie dough, cookies and cream, grape bubble gum sour, blue berry torte, midori sour. Just to name a few!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Thank you!!!! Mr. Mann- yes that was what i was asking. It looks like for now i better just stick with MOV until someone else decides to do all the testing that they do!

Would yall risk vaping the non MOV flavors or just throw them out? I have cookie dough, cookies and cream, grape bubble gum sour, blue berry torte, midori sour. Just to name a few!

It's not that big of a deal to me -- to throw them out -- but you can choose to cut back on the others as opposed to going full-bore with them.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Nessa131, though I wouldn't throw out any flavors for the fear of diketones, there are some of those flavors that I now know that have them that I wouldn't buy again. So the way I deal with this situation is how I deal with it, how you choose to deal with it will be up to you. But I do think the fear of popcorn lung is much of a bogeyman and not really a threat for the common vaper, but I am no scientist or doctor. Do whatever you feel compelled to do and you'll get no argument from me. At least you now know where you can have that peace of mind you are looking for, and plus, MOV has A LOT of flavors so they should keep you busy for a while.

 

[nessa131]

Thanks so much!!!!!

 

[newyork13]

Hello Mann,
I'm glad to see you started this thread.
So far, I'm loving Shangri-La. After a year+ of vaping, starting out on tobacco juices including the lauded Nicoticket and Halo Tribeca (which got me off cigs), I now have a hard time appreciating their flavor. So, the Pendragon was well done by MOV, but it didn't suit me. I also thought the Heavenly 7, Caramel Movacchino and Strawberry Brulee were very nice.
MOV is very transparent about their ingredients and also very responsive to queries. I appreciate this very much, and I think MOV deserves more attention.

 

[Racehorse]

I think MOV deserves more attention.

They are operating in 6 locations that I know of........I think they have had quite a large following for a long time.

70,000 bottles a month to be exact.

I imagine there are a number of vendors like that, plume room is very popular but doesn't man a topic area here.

@Flavored : yes, they used to have more of a presence on the board, it was quite a lively topic area with 270 pages......but I think with several locations, etc. they have just gotten too busy to devote time to posting on forums.......that's good though, I'm glad they are doing well.

sorely miss their Peppermint Bark as they pulled it from their line up.

MOV was one of 1st vendors I used when I started vaping in 2012. Singing their praises since then.

At that time, they had Winter's Chill. It was my ADV, like a minty juice with some strawberry. then it became my brother's ADV as well.

Well, that was discontinued, and then the Peppermint Bark came out around xmas, and I of course ordered that. That was delicious.

I asked about it this year, and no go. Apparently, it was a big hit around the holidays but people didn't order it the rest of the year? So....

So, those were my 2 ADVs and now I am scrambling to find another juice in their line up.


I always trusted MOV, even back in 2012 they were "doing it right"......glass bottles, shrink wrapped over that......I always thought they had an eye to the future and this was before any of the diketone conversations came up (anywhere but the DIY section at least) in the general forums.

(A lot of the DIY members here are pretty knowledgeable, many are way more knowledgeable than many of the actual juice vendors ) but MOV also knew about these things quite a while back as well, and was taking steps to make juice w/out diketones --------- and they were correct in believing that some vapers WOULD WANT THAT.

 

[Racehorse]

nessa, I'm going to give you different advice, then you can do your own research and decide. Everyone should be able to make that decision on their own, after all.

But I do think the fear of popcorn lung is much of a bogeyman and not really a threat for the common vaper, but I am no scientist or doctor.

Dr. F. didn't say anything about popcorn lung....but I think he did say that COPD may masquerade as the diagnosis for that kind of lung tissue damage?

So......not having actual popcorn lung diagnoses breaking out among vapers is not suprising.....or smokers either (since apparently cigs contain diketones) ..........

reading between the lines, then, IMHO, if it shows up I believe it will be as a COPD-type disease......(permanent lung damage) and even then it won't and couldn't be attributed to vaping because most vapers were former smokers, and cause will be difficult if not impossible to separate.

This "illuminating" topic is from 2011........Linda at TPA was way ahead of the game, as well as FA, "flagging" flavors that were made for the food industry as not suitable for vaping. If the actual flavor makers were saying in 2011 that these have inhalation risks, then every ejuice maker should have been disclosing their use in eliquids.

Read the other comments as well, all the way to page 2.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...custard-flavors-bad-your-health-if-vaped.html

MOV did not think that honesty and warnings would ruin sales, as so many others obviously did......and they took a risk in disclosing. Glad it paid off, they deserve your business for being brave.

Hope the poster who posted #884 here found them, or knew about them, I do know that he used mostly FA flavorings in his DIY though, because they tested (and because I asked him what flavorings he use) back in 2012:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...liers-remove-diacetyl-their-e-liquids-23.html

Clearly, these diketones were an "issue" even 4 years ago....it seems that self-regulation in the industry has moved at a snails pace some might say looking at that timeline....

 

[Mazinny]

They are operating in 6 locations that I know of........I think they have had quite a large following for a long time.

70,000 bottles a month to be exact.

I imagine there are a number of vendors like that, plume room is very popular but doesn't man a topic area here.

@Flavored : yes, they used to have more of a presence on the board, it was quite a lively topic area with 270 pages......but I think with several locations, etc. they have just gotten too busy to devote time to posting on forums.......that's good though, I'm glad they are doing well.



MOV was one of 1st vendors I used when I started vaping in 2012. Singing their praises since then.

At that time, they had Winter's Chill. It was my ADV, like a minty juice with some strawberry. then it became my brother's ADV as well.

Well, that was discontinued, and then the Peppermint Bark came out around xmas, and I of course ordered that. That was delicious.

I asked about it this year, and no go. Apparently, it was a big hit around the holidays but people didn't order it the rest of the year? So....

So, those were my 2 ADVs and now I am scrambling to find another juice in their line up.


I always trusted MOV, even back in 2012 they were "doing it right"......glass bottles, shrink wrapped over that......I always thought they had an eye to the future and this was before any of the diketone conversations came up (anywhere but the DIY section at least) in the general forums.

(A lot of the DIY members here are pretty knowledgeable, many are way more knowledgeable than many of the actual juice vendors ) but MOV also knew about these things quite a while back as well, and was taking steps to make juice w/out diketones --------- and they were correct in believing that some vapers WOULD WANT THAT.

ECF presence is not indicative of the the size of a vendor.

MOV sell their product through their on-line site, their own B&M's, and other B&M's. In addition they sell their 100 % vg line ( Mythos ) through Vaporbeast and do private labeling as well. They are one of the largest e-liquid vendors in the industry and have simply outgrown ECF.

But more important than that they are a responsible vendor who simply do things right and unlike the vast majority of vendors, are in this game for the long-term and are positioning themselves to come out even stronger post-regulation.

 

[newyork13]

70K bottles/month? Ain't no ma and pa shop is it?
I only based my comment about deserving more attention on mentions to them in the various threads in ECF which I read. (i.e. not spoken about in the same volume as other vendors.) I'm pleased that they have such a following, since they deserve it. And they are very responsive to email queries, which I appreciate.

They are operating in 6 locations that I know of........I think they have had quite a large following for a long time.

70,000 bottles a month to be exact.

I imagine there are a number of vendors like that, plume room is very popular but doesn't man a topic area here.

@Flavored : yes, they used to have more of a presence on the board, it was quite a lively topic area with 270 pages......but I think with several locations, etc. they have just gotten too busy to devote time to posting on forums.......that's good though, I'm glad they are doing well.



MOV was one of 1st vendors I used when I started vaping in 2012. Singing their praises since then.

At that time, they had Winter's Chill. It was my ADV, like a minty juice with some strawberry. then it became my brother's ADV as well.

Well, that was discontinued, and then the Peppermint Bark came out around xmas, and I of course ordered that. That was delicious.

I asked about it this year, and no go. Apparently, it was a big hit around the holidays but people didn't order it the rest of the year? So....

So, those were my 2 ADVs and now I am scrambling to find another juice in their line up.


I always trusted MOV, even back in 2012 they were "doing it right"......glass bottles, shrink wrapped over that......I always thought they had an eye to the future and this was before any of the diketone conversations came up (anywhere but the DIY section at least) in the general forums.

(A lot of the DIY members here are pretty knowledgeable, many are way more knowledgeable than many of the actual juice vendors ) but MOV also knew about these things quite a while back as well, and was taking steps to make juice w/out diketones --------- and they were correct in believing that some vapers WOULD WANT THAT.

 

[newyork13]

I sent my post [above] before I read yours Maz.
I wish success to those whose products are superior, and whose ethics are laudable.

ECF presence is not indicative of the the size of a vendor.

MOV sell their product through their on-line site, their own B&M's, and other B&M's. In addition they sell their 100 % vg line ( Mythos ) through Vaporbeast and do private labeling as well. They are one of the largest e-liquid vendors in the industry and have simply outgrown ECF.

But more important than that they are a responsible vendor who simply do things right and unlike the vast majority of vendors, are in this game for the long-term and are positioning themselves to come out even stronger post-regulation.

 

[Mazinny]

70K bottles/month? Ain't no ma and pa shop is it?
I only based my comment about deserving more attention on mentions to them in the various threads in ECF which I read. (i.e. not spoken about in the same volume as other vendors.) I'm pleased that they have such a following, since they deserve it. And they are very responsive to email queries, which I appreciate.

I often wonder how certain vendors gain so much traction on ECF and are virtually unknown outside of ECF. Not gonna name any names but you could probably guess a few of them. You would think that ECF with so many members would be at least somewhat representative !?

Another huge vendor which i read nothing about ( at least the past year ) is Johnson Creek. A few months ago someone posted a list of vendors rated by web-traffic numbers i believe it was, and Johnson Creek dwarfed some of the more popular vendors on these threads.